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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
AAyeR
Profile Joined December 2011
United States138 Posts
February 03 2012 07:24 GMT
#18361
ATI Radeon HD 6870 1.07% +0.03%
i also see that people are using it so it must be fine, do i just not have the most updated drivers? here is my system information from steam..

Driver: AMD radeon HD 6800 series
DirectX driver name ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.10.7164
DriverDate: 27Jan 2011

AAyeR
Profile Joined December 2011
United States138 Posts
February 03 2012 07:25 GMT
#18362
actually my bad people are using that card on steam fine not on sc2.. those stats

(ATI Radeon HD 6870 1.07% +0.03%
i also see that people are using it so it must be fine)

were taken from cs source page. my bad
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 03 2012 07:26 GMT
#18363
On February 03 2012 16:24 AAyeR wrote:
ATI Radeon HD 6870 1.07% +0.03%
i also see that people are using it so it must be fine, do i just not have the most updated drivers? here is my system information from steam..

Driver: AMD radeon HD 6800 series
DirectX driver name ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.10.7164
DriverDate: 27Jan 2011


Isn't it pretty obvious you don't have the most recent drivers if they've last been updated over a year ago? Really, this isn't something you need to check with us..
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
AAyeR
Profile Joined December 2011
United States138 Posts
February 03 2012 07:35 GMT
#18364
-_-a ok sorry, i just dled them...
myfriendspro
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom51 Posts
February 03 2012 12:02 GMT
#18365
Hi,

I'm looking for some help with a build, its more or less a complete build except I have an EVGA Superclocked GTX460 which im hoping not to replace right now. I was also planning to carry over my dual cd drives and bluetooth/card reader to my new build & maybe PSU. I'd like USB3 (unless it makes a big £$ difference), although i dont think my stuff is compatible at the moment its something I would envisage having in the not too distant future.

My use - I mostly use the PC for gaming, currently BF3, SC2 and Skyrim. I do however to a fair bit of photoshop/illustrator work and am looking quite seriously at getting in to video editing.

No real budget I was thinking of really looking at the top end parts before the giant price jump issue in terms of processor. I'm not looking to be extravagant but I want a good machine.
My history is that I tend to upgrade about every 3 - 4 years. I've had my current machine about 3 ish years and i've had to replace the gfx card because my last one died about a year ago. I got a new psu at the time too, I cant remember what it was I'll update when i get home but I may well have to change that for a new build.

I'll check what resolution im running when I get home but I do run a dual flat monitor set up with one 22"(i think) widescreen and an old probably 19" non widescreen.

Im not desperate to build right now as its just about coping with what i want but whenever I run BF3 it struggles a little (in game mostly fine), sometimes crashing other open programs.

In terms of over clocking it really depends on whether I need to. I wouldnt PLAN on over clocking initially unless recommended to. It would more be a case of OCing if i find i need to or come to the end of my update cycle and it seems like the best option. SLI is the same really. I would go SLI if it was recommended as the best option.

I dont need an OS.

I live in the UK, previously i've mostly bought from novatech as they are generally pretty good on price and they are a reliable company. I dont mind buying from other places as long as they are either well known or come highly well reviewed/recommended.

At the moment I use a monitor switching box to switch my main monitor between PC and PS3 but its on the fritz so I would also appreciate any recommendations on this front if anyone has any.

Been looking at:

i7 -

http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/processors/intelcorei3,i5andi71155socket/Intel/BX80623I72600.html#utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=products

http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/processors/intelcorei3,i5andi71155socket/Intel/BX80623I72700K.html#utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=products

Thats all i can think of for now.
Aron Times
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States312 Posts
February 03 2012 12:08 GMT
#18366
Another question: Will I be able to reuse these optical drives on my new PC?

ASUS DVD-E6 16P 3H ATA Device
HL-DT-ST DVDRRW GWA-41668 ATA Device

If not, what's a good price for an optical drive?
"The drums! The drums! The drums! The neverending drumbeat! Open me, you human fool! Open the light and summon me and receive my majesty!"
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 03 2012 15:26 GMT
#18367
On February 03 2012 21:02 myfriendspro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hi,

I'm looking for some help with a build, its more or less a complete build except I have an EVGA Superclocked GTX460 which im hoping not to replace right now. I was also planning to carry over my dual cd drives and bluetooth/card reader to my new build & maybe PSU. I'd like USB3 (unless it makes a big £$ difference), although i dont think my stuff is compatible at the moment its something I would envisage having in the not too distant future.

My use - I mostly use the PC for gaming, currently BF3, SC2 and Skyrim. I do however to a fair bit of photoshop/illustrator work and am looking quite seriously at getting in to video editing.

No real budget I was thinking of really looking at the top end parts before the giant price jump issue in terms of processor. I'm not looking to be extravagant but I want a good machine.
My history is that I tend to upgrade about every 3 - 4 years. I've had my current machine about 3 ish years and i've had to replace the gfx card because my last one died about a year ago. I got a new psu at the time too, I cant remember what it was I'll update when i get home but I may well have to change that for a new build.

I'll check what resolution im running when I get home but I do run a dual flat monitor set up with one 22"(i think) widescreen and an old probably 19" non widescreen.

Im not desperate to build right now as its just about coping with what i want but whenever I run BF3 it struggles a little (in game mostly fine), sometimes crashing other open programs.

In terms of over clocking it really depends on whether I need to. I wouldnt PLAN on over clocking initially unless recommended to. It would more be a case of OCing if i find i need to or come to the end of my update cycle and it seems like the best option. SLI is the same really. I would go SLI if it was recommended as the best option.

I dont need an OS.

I live in the UK, previously i've mostly bought from novatech as they are generally pretty good on price and they are a reliable company. I dont mind buying from other places as long as they are either well known or come highly well reviewed/recommended.

At the moment I use a monitor switching box to switch my main monitor between PC and PS3 but its on the fritz so I would also appreciate any recommendations on this front if anyone has any.

Been looking at:

i7 -

http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/processors/intelcorei3,i5andi71155socket/Intel/BX80623I72600.html#utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=products

http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/processors/intelcorei3,i5andi71155socket/Intel/BX80623I72700K.html#utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=products

Thats all i can think of for now.


I'm not sure what price jump on processors you are referring to. Intel has had a monopoly on the high-end segment for years now... People that are buying $550 and $1000 processors don't really care if it's $50 or $100 more.

You're looking at a K suffix processor which is is intended to be overclocked and a non-K suffix processor which can't be overclocked.

I suggest getting a 2600k and overclocking. Nearly every overclockable motherboard (P67 and Z68) has USB3. ASUS boards have built-in Bluetooth.

Battleifled 3 is a GPU intensive game so if you struggle now with a GTX 460, you are going to continue to struggle by re-using the GTX 460 in a new configuration just fyi (unless your processor is like an ancient Pentium 4). 22" will be 1920x1080, if it's old / shit than it'll be 1680x1050. I wouldn't buy a new GPU right now if you have a GTX 460, I'd suggest waiting for Kepler to be released in April. If you're in no hurry to build a configuration right now, you might as well just wait until April to build the entire configuration with Ivybridge and Kepler.

Provided that you did research before you purchased the power supply or just overpaid for an overkill branded unit, you will be able to re-use it.


On February 03 2012 21:08 Eternal Dalek wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Another question: Will I be able to reuse these optical drives on my new PC?

ASUS DVD-E6 16P 3H ATA Device
HL-DT-ST DVDRRW GWA-41668 ATA Device

If not, what's a good price for an optical drive?


If they're SATA than they can be re-used. If they're IDE (fat ribbons) than you can still re-use them on specific motherboards but it's best to replace them.

A good price for an optical drive is the lowest price.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
February 03 2012 15:39 GMT
#18368
On February 03 2012 16:15 AAyeR wrote:
blizzard is saying that my vid card is not compatible...


Who cares what they say? If it works, it works.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
BlackkillerZzz
Profile Joined October 2011
United States25 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 19:45:29
February 03 2012 19:42 GMT
#18369
Can anyone answer this question. What better Radeon HD 6950 or GTX 560 Ti.
Radeon HD 6950 $239.99 after rebate $224.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150523
and
GTX 560 Ti $239.99 after rebate $219.99
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=58347&promoid=1141
ShesSoHeavy
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada15 Posts
February 03 2012 19:57 GMT
#18370
On February 04 2012 04:42 BlackkillerZzz wrote:
Can anyone answer this question. What better Radeon HD 6950 or GTX 560 Ti.
Radeon HD 6950 $239.99 after rebate $224.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150523
and
GTX 560 Ti $239.99 after rebate $219.99
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=58347&promoid=1141


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/331?vs=330
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
February 03 2012 20:16 GMT
#18371
Neither, best option: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125401
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
jnkw
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada347 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 09:50:20
February 04 2012 00:41 GMT
#18372
Hi guys,

Could I get some feedback on this build? For shipping reasons it's easier for me to order everything from NCIX, so all the parts below are from them. I posted a rough build to get an estimate on pricing a couple of weeks back, but since I'm ready to order now I tried working around what's on sale at the moment.

I'm hoping to run SC2 + possibly stream, D3, DOTA 2, etc. In general mostly CPU-heavy applications, but I'd like to get a decent GPU as well just in case.

+ Show Spoiler +


Case
Lancool PC-K60WB Black ATX Advanced Mid Tower Case 5X5.25 4X3.5INT No PS USB Audio Window [$59.79]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=52427&vpn=PC-K60WB&manufacture=LIAN-LI

Mobo
MSI Z68A-G45 (G3) Z68 ATX LGA1155 DDR3 2PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 HDMI DVI VGA SLI USB3 SATA3 Motherboard [$125.98]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=64932&vpn=Z68A-G45 (G3)&manufacture=MSI/MicroStar

CPU
Intel Core i7 2600K Quad Core Unlocked Hyperthreading Processor LGA1155 3.4GHZ Sandy Bridge 8MB [$359.34]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57960&vpn=BX80623I72600K&manufacture=Intel

GPU
Galaxy GeForce GTX 560 Ti Gc 835MHZ 1GB 4GHZ DDR5 2xDVI 1x Mini-HDMI PCI-E Video Card [$159.99]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=67651&vpn=56NGH6HS4IXZ&manufacture=Galaxy Technology&promoid=1012

RAM
Mushkin Enhanced Silverline Stiletto 8GB 2X4GB PC3-10666 DDR3-1333 9-9-9-24 Dual Channel Memory Kit [$33.99]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55544&vpn=996770&manufacture=Mushkin Enhanced&promoid=1012

SSD
Crucial M4 SSD Micron C400 128GB 2.5IN Solid State Disk Flash Drive SATA3 6Gbps [$184.99]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60445&vpn=CT128M4SSD2&manufacture=CRUCIAL TECHNOLOGY&promoid=1012

PSU
OCZ ZS Series 550W ATX12V V2.2 24PIN ATX SLI Ready 80PLUS Bronze Performance Power Supply 135mm Fan [$49.99]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62391&vpn=OCZ-ZS550W&manufacture=OCZ Technology

CPU Fan
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366 LGA1155 LGA1156 120MM [$30.66]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=41337&vpn=RR-B10-212P-G1&manufacture=COOLERMASTER

Optical Drive
Samsung SH-222AL 22X DVD Writer SATA Lightscribe OEM [$24.72]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=64204&vpn=SH-222AL/BEBE&manufacture=Samsung

Total incl. tax: $1163.28

A couple of other things...

If I want to SLI in the future, is the 550W PSU I have listed sufficient?
Also, any suggestions for a decent monitor around the $200 price range?

Thanks!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 04 2012 01:05 GMT
#18373
On February 04 2012 09:41 jnkw wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hi guys,

Could I get some feedback on this build? For shipping reasons it's easier for me to order everything from NCIX, so all the parts below are from them. I posted a rough build to get an estimate on pricing a couple of weeks back, but since I'm ready to order now I tried working around what's on sale at the moment.

I'm hoping to run SC2 + possibly stream, D3, DOTA 2, etc. In general mostly CPU-heavy applications, but I'd like to get a decent GPU as well just in case.

+ Show Spoiler +

Case
Lancool PC-K60WB Black ATX Advanced Mid Tower Case 5X5.25 4X3.5INT No PS USB Audio Window [$59.79]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=52427&vpn=PC-K60WB&manufacture=LIAN-LI

Mobo
MSI Z68A-G45 (G3) Z68 ATX LGA1155 DDR3 2PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 HDMI DVI VGA SLI USB3 SATA3 Motherboard [$125.98]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=64932&vpn=Z68A-G45 (G3)&manufacture=MSI/MicroStar

CPU
Intel Core i7 2600K Quad Core Unlocked Hyperthreading Processor LGA1155 3.4GHZ Sandy Bridge 8MB [$359.34]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57960&vpn=BX80623I72600K&manufacture=Intel

GPU
Galaxy GeForce GTX 560 Ti Gc 835MHZ 1GB 4GHZ DDR5 2xDVI 1x Mini-HDMI PCI-E Video Card [$159.99]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=67651&vpn=56NGH6HS4IXZ&manufacture=Galaxy Technology&promoid=1012

RAM
Mushkin Enhanced Silverline Stiletto 8GB 2X4GB PC3-10666 DDR3-1333 9-9-9-24 Dual Channel Memory Kit [$33.99]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55544&vpn=996770&manufacture=Mushkin Enhanced&promoid=1012

SSD
Crucial M4 SSD Micron C400 128GB 2.5IN Solid State Disk Flash Drive SATA3 6Gbps [$184.99]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60445&vpn=CT128M4SSD2&manufacture=CRUCIAL TECHNOLOGY&promoid=1012

PSU
OCZ ZS Series 550W ATX12V V2.2 24PIN ATX SLI Ready 80PLUS Bronze Performance Power Supply 135mm Fan [$49.99]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62391&vpn=OCZ-ZS550W&manufacture=OCZ Technology

CPU Fan
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366 LGA1155 LGA1156 120MM [$30.66]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=41337&vpn=RR-B10-212P-G1&manufacture=COOLERMASTER

Optical Drive
Samsung SH-222AL 22X DVD Writer SATA Lightscribe OEM [$24.72]
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=64204&vpn=SH-222AL/BEBE&manufacture=Samsung

Total incl. tax: $1163.28

A couple of other things...

If I want to SLI in the future, is the 550W PSU I have listed sufficient?
Also, any suggestions for a decent monitor around the $200 price range?

Thanks!


That's not $1163.28 including tax... Multiple items in your list involves a mail in rebate (memory, GPU, PSU, Motherboard). These are not included in your checkout total, these are called mail in rebates for a reason - they have to be mailed to the company so they can process it and send you back your money. Your list is close to $1300 with 13% tax.

OCZ ZS 550w would be on the edge for doing SLI with your configuration. If you are interested in SLI, it's in your best interest to get a 650w unit.

The Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM should be your only choice at $200. Getting anything else is just stupid.

The list you have there is pretty bad in terms of pricing.

I'd select the Bitfenix Shinobi for $60 instead of the Lancool: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62891&promoid=1012

A Z68 G45 for $145 is meh... you cann pricematch to $130: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1205342

2600k can be had for $320: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=57960&promoid=1012

The 2x4gb Mushkin kit can be pricematched to $40: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950BD3503

Crucial M4 128gb can be pricematched to $177: http://www.pc-canada.com/item/CT128M4SSD2.html

Hyper 212+ can be pricematched to $22: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC8843

Unless you need Lightscribe for whatever reason, get this burner instead for $17: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65984 , pricematched with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/238671/SH-222BBBEBE/Samsung/

If you want to do SLI than get the Antec High Current Gamer 620 for $77: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=56788 , pricematched with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC7760

You can do the math on the total.
jnkw
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada347 Posts
February 04 2012 01:40 GMT
#18374
Thanks a lot skyR, those pricematches make one hell of a difference. Total incl. taxes and before MIR is $1172.

The U2312HM might be borderline above my budget, especially considering it's now $300 on Dell's site and the prices on other sites seem to be around that figure. Is there anything else you'd recommend in the sub-$200 range?



skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 04 2012 01:43 GMT
#18375
If you can't wait for the U2312HM to go back on sale (it was $184 last week and $180 the week before that) than you can get the U2212HM instead for $179: http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors_Flat_Panel_Widescreen/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&cs=cadhs1&sku=320-2736
jnkw
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada347 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 01:56:05
February 04 2012 01:50 GMT
#18376
Okay, thanks. I'll probably end up waiting it out (Dell and their long ship times...) but say if I wanted to get a monitor that ships before the 24th (!) is there a non-Dell monitor that's comparable? Or is the difference that huge?

Edit: Maybe the LG IPS231P-BN? From some Googling it seems like a reasonable alternative.

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=111129758&vpn=IPS231P-BN&manufacture=LG
price matched to:
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=456455
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 04 2012 01:55 GMT
#18377
There is nothing comparable to a Dell Ultrasharp at the $200 price point.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 02:09:36
February 04 2012 02:06 GMT
#18378
The panels used are often the same or very similar, but that's not everything. The Ultrasharps just tend to be safe choices because of the warranty support and stand adjustments; performance isn't necessarily magically better than the competition and depends on the model. U2312HM and U2212HM have significantly different characteristics, for example. U2212HM has higher contrast ratio (better), higher input lag (worse), and lower minimum brightness setting (better; U2312HM actually may be a tad bright).

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2312hm.htm
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2212hm.htm
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_ips231p.htm

If you're sensitive to motion blurring, the cheap LG IPS monitors don't have overdrive and are relatively slow to respond in terms of color transitions (pixel responsiveness), so they're unsuitable.

edit: or do they have response time compensation / overdrive? Regardless, the point still stands that despite the quoted 5ms GTG, in fact they're quite slower than some others that are quoted at 8ms GTG or something else.
jnkw
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada347 Posts
February 04 2012 02:25 GMT
#18379
Thanks for all the info. I think I'm sold on the U2212HM at the moment, since I can probably get a discount on it as well. The U2312HM might be pushing it as well considering my desk size.
SnowSC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States678 Posts
February 04 2012 02:32 GMT
#18380
On February 04 2012 05:16 Wabbit wrote:
Neither, best option: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125401

I think i might get this instead of 6870...
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