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H61M-VS is just fine if you don't need those features. Most others at that price range are also missing those types of things anyway.
I'm not really convinced by the need of a modular 500W power supply in an enclosure like that, since there is plenty of space to store an extra molex strand and extra SATA strand, which is at most the only lines that will go unused. ModXStream Pro is not bad but not that good.
I would recommend Seasonic S12II Bronze 520W for $60 or Corsair CX500 V2 for $50 if you're penny pinching:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60329&promoid=1314
Too bad Rosewill Capstone for $60 is over.
edit: the other parts I agree with, unless you want to take a different HD 6870 from a better brand for maybe $5 more. If it's more than that, it's probably not worth bothering.
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Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 04:09 Myrmidon wrote:H61M-VS is just fine if you don't need those features. Most others at that price range are also missing those types of things anyway. I'm not really convinced by the need of a modular 500W power supply in an enclosure like that, since there is plenty of space to store an extra molex strand and extra SATA strand, which is at most the only lines that will go unused. ModXStream Pro is not bad but not that good. I would recommend Seasonic S12II Bronze 520W for $60 or Corsair CX500 V2 for $50 if you're penny pinching: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60329&promoid=1314Too bad Rosewill Capstone for $60 is over. edit: the other parts I agree with, unless you want to take a different HD 6870 from a better brand for maybe $5 more. If it's more than that, it's probably not worth bothering.
Sweet, thanks very much. Thing is, I ordered that psu during Black Friday  Hopefully, it'll do just fine. So definitely stick with the i5 2400? I know 6870's are 6870's and only differences are mainly warranty, but could you give me a rundown of the order of the quality of brands? I don't want a noisy fan. Any word on price drops upon the next gen cards coming out?
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Final verification before i purchase parts.
Part list permalink: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/39nB
Part price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/39nB/by_merchant
CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M-VS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: OCZ Onyx 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($152.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax ATX-298WW ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 500W ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VH236H 23.0" Monitor ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $680.46
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2011-12-21 14:34 EST-0500)
I Will be getting that PSU at newegg, i have shoprunner so free 2 day shipping so all the parts arrive on time. But im willing to pay another 10$ or so.
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Hey when do you guys think the Radeon 7xxx series will come out (assuming that's the next in line to be released)? I was going to buy the 6870 this week but if a new set of gfx cards come out it'd be better to wait for that month and get mid cards for even cheaper right? Plus I'm assuming that some other higher end cards will fall down to my price range of under $200 as well 
Any insight on this?
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There won't be price drops for existing cards unless they're going EOL. The flagship HD7000 cards will be out in January and they are going to be fucking expensive. The process is immature and the die size is humongous because they're no longer going for the gamer friendly VLIW SIMD. They won't even cannibalize HD6900 series cards because they're so expensive.
I think people in this thread predicted $300 for these cards and I'm willing to bet my life savings that they're at least $100 more than that price. They're going to cost as much as GTX580s, probably closer to the 3GB variants considering how much stuff they're packing. People have been throwing around an MSRP of $550 on the HD7970, which sounds about right.
You can keep on waiting for the HD7800 cards but they're probably going to be fairly close to this generation's cards in performance and cost quite a bit too. You might as well buy what you need now since you have such a low budget.
edit:
http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_message/37361053#37361053
Looks legit enough. Guy has screenshots of the actual hardware + links for review briefing and feature documents. Guy suggests a MSRP of $550. I could have told you this from day one looking at the feature set and the fact they're no longer using VLIW SIMD.
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On December 22 2011 04:38 Alisto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 04:09 Myrmidon wrote:H61M-VS is just fine if you don't need those features. Most others at that price range are also missing those types of things anyway. I'm not really convinced by the need of a modular 500W power supply in an enclosure like that, since there is plenty of space to store an extra molex strand and extra SATA strand, which is at most the only lines that will go unused. ModXStream Pro is not bad but not that good. I would recommend Seasonic S12II Bronze 520W for $60 or Corsair CX500 V2 for $50 if you're penny pinching: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60329&promoid=1314Too bad Rosewill Capstone for $60 is over. edit: the other parts I agree with, unless you want to take a different HD 6870 from a better brand for maybe $5 more. If it's more than that, it's probably not worth bothering. Sweet, thanks very much. Thing is, I ordered that psu during Black Friday Hopefully, it'll do just fine. So definitely stick with the i5 2400? I know 6870's are 6870's and only differences are mainly warranty, but could you give me a rundown of the order of the quality of brands? I don't want a noisy fan. Any word on price drops upon the next gen cards coming out?
Oh, well if you got the ModXStream Pro at a discounted price, then it's fine. It's not bad; there's just better alternatives generally at typical prices (not including the mail-in rebate).
I wouldn't expect price drops on sub-$200 graphics cards soon as they're starting releases from the high end, and there's no new 28nm chips from Nvidia to provide competition. They're already winning in price/performance under $200, so why reduce prices further?
It really depends on the model and not the company. For AMD Radeon graphics cards, generally MSI, Asus, and Gigabyte have the best hardware, but not all models are that good. XFX and Sapphire may be next, depending, or maybe not. Powercolor, HIS, Visiontek, etc. are probably lower-end usually, but some models may also be pretty good.
Poor and noisy fan control is more likely on the lower-priced options. You pretty much just have to check reviews and guess. Maybe the HIS IceQ X?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161396
here's a review of the overclocked version of that, apparently using the same cooler:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/his-radeon-6870-iceq-x-turbo-x-review/1
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On December 22 2011 04:40 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:Final verification before i purchase parts. Part list permalink: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/39nBPart price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/39nB/by_merchantCPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: ASRock H61M-VS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg) Hard Drive: OCZ Onyx 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($59.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($152.55 @ Newegg) Case: Raidmax ATX-298WW ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair 500W ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Microcenter) Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg) Monitor: Asus VH236H 23.0" Monitor ($139.99 @ Amazon) Total: $680.46 (Prices include shipping and discounts when available.) (Generated 2011-12-21 14:34 EST-0500) I Will be getting that PSU at newegg, i have shoprunner so free 2 day shipping so all the parts arrive on time. But im willing to pay another 10$ or so.
PC part picker kinda sucks. It's a nice idea but doesn't work so well.
Cheaper ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178333
Cheaper video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161389 (pcpartpicker includes MIR) if you want to stick with sapphire, there's one for $5 more. Still a 2 yr warranty.
If you actually live by a microcenter (you have a few parts from there), get either the i3-2100 for $100 or the i5-2400 for $150. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0359809 or http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354590. They don't ship, so if you aren't nearby, you're SOL.
The optical drive is the same price at newegg, but you won't have to pay tax, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289 saves like $1, so whatever.
The 32 GB SSD is kinda awkward IMO, it's room enough for the OS but not much else, a 64 gb one can be had for a little more and will allow you to fit more programs on it, but maybe this was addressed in a previous post.
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On December 22 2011 05:23 Molybdenum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 04:40 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:Final verification before i purchase parts. Part list permalink: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/39nBPart price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/39nB/by_merchantCPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: ASRock H61M-VS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg) Hard Drive: OCZ Onyx 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($59.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($152.55 @ Newegg) Case: Raidmax ATX-298WW ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair 500W ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Microcenter) Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg) Monitor: Asus VH236H 23.0" Monitor ($139.99 @ Amazon) Total: $680.46 (Prices include shipping and discounts when available.) (Generated 2011-12-21 14:34 EST-0500) I Will be getting that PSU at newegg, i have shoprunner so free 2 day shipping so all the parts arrive on time. But im willing to pay another 10$ or so. PC part picker kinda sucks. It's a nice idea but doesn't work so well. Cheaper ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178333Cheaper video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161389 (pcpartpicker includes MIR) if you want to stick with sapphire, there's one for $5 more. Still a 2 yr warranty. If you actually live by a microcenter (you have a few parts from there), get either the i3-2100 for $100 or the i5-2400 for $150. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0359809 or http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354590. They don't ship, so if you aren't nearby, you're SOL. The optical drive is the same price at newegg, but you won't have to pay tax, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289 saves like $1, so whatever. The 32 GB SSD is kinda awkward IMO, it's room enough for the OS but not much else, a 64 gb one can be had for a little more and will allow you to fit more programs on it, but maybe this was addressed in a previous post.
ya i had that ram added but i lost the list and i had trouble finding so i added something that i thought would work. The 32gb SSD is nothing. I have a 2tb harddrive from an external that i took apart that my friend is going to pay me 50$ for so i just found something around 50$. And that microcenter PSU is a mistake, i will be getting it for NewEgg. I don't know what you mean by the Optical drive is the same price at Newegg seeing as i am getting it from Newegg.
and yes i do not live by a microcenter. I would preferably use newegg seeing as i have free 2 day shipping.
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Damn... well there goes my hopes of saving even more cash on a 6870. There isn't a significant difference between the different manufacturers of those cards is there? I would suspect it would have more to do with miscellaneous qualities such as fan noise, reliability, etc.
Also this may be a stupid question but does the quality of your RAM greatly affect your computer's loading speeds? My loading speeds have been relatively low since I got SWTOR so I thought about upgrading to an i5 2500k from an i3 2100 but that might not even be necessary if I have other options. TBH I don't even know how significantly an i5 2500k would increase my performance in real situations like when I'm trying to install a huge game or load up multiple games at once (like SC2 with SWTOR, browsers, etc at once)
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There is not much of a difference between the various manufacturers for the graphics cards. Just the heatsink, PCB, post-sale support / warranty, and something else I may be forgetting.
The quality of memory doesn't affect anything besides overclock potential. If you're talking about higher frequency and tighter timings than no it doesn't have a significant impact. Getting an SSD will have a significant impact when it comes to loading.
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On December 22 2011 06:12 Snuggles wrote:
Damn... well there goes my hopes of saving even more cash on a 6870. There isn't a significant difference between the different manufacturers of those cards is there? I would suspect it would have more to do with miscellaneous qualities such as fan noise, reliability, etc.
Yeah the GPU itself is the same between the different models. From the CPU and system's perspective, it's interfacing with the same digital logic, so it can't tell the difference no matter which manufacturer designed the PCB and cooling. At the same clocks and hardware config, the performance will be the same. As you say, there may be differences in fan noise, reliability, warranty, etc.
RAM quality has little to do with loading speeds, since you're mostly loading data from a hard drive or SSD and putting that into RAM. If your RAM is running at very slow speeds and high latencies, it will still be much much faster than an SSD, so the bottleneck is the storage media and not the RAM. Depending on what's being loaded, if some data needs to be unzipped in some sense, that speed would be affected by the CPU speed and a little bit by the RAM I guess.
Having more RAM would help loading if not everything you want to load can be put into RAM at the same time (so less swap usage).
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Thanks again for the help guys.
The SSD's are pretty damn expensive for a 120gb harddrive lol.
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On December 21 2011 19:09 broz0rs wrote:
After some extensive research the past two days, I decided to go ahead and plan for a gaming pc. It will be my first build in around six years and first time I will try to OC. ^^;
Processor: Intel Core i5-2500K
Mobo: ASUS Maximus IV Gene-Z - LGA 1155 - Z68
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Blu 8 GB (2X4 GB) PC3-12800 1600mHz DDR3 240-Pin SDRAM CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B
SSD: SanDisk 120 GB Solid State Drive
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 1024 MB
Heatsink: CoolerMaster 212+ EVO
Power: OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance Power Supply
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 Mid Tower ATX
Any thoughts? This build is currently just below $1000 USD. Any underwhelming or overkill parts listed or is this build ready to go? Everybody's thoughts are much appreciated.
here is an updated build. any final thoughts? i plan on purchasing parts as early as tomorrow.
Processor - Intel Core i5-2500K
Mobo - ASUS P8Z68-M Pro SATA 6 Gb/s DisplayPort Intel Z68 Micro ATX DDR3 2200 Intel LGA 1155 Motherboards
Memory - Corsair Vengeance Blu 8 GB (2X4 GB) PC3-12800 1600mHz DDR3 240-Pin SDRAM CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B
SSD - SAMSUNG 470 Series MZ-5PA128B/AM 2.5" 128GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive
GPU - EVGA GeForce GTX 560 1024 MB GDDR5 Graphics Card, 01G-P3-1460-KR
Heatsink - CoolerMaster 212+ EVO
Power - Antec BP550 Plus 550W ATX12V V2.3 Modular Power Supply
Case - Cooler Master HAF 912 Mid Tower ATX (RC-912-KKN1)
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So it looks like I'm going to be getting mostly money for christmas this year, and would love to build my own computer.
What is your budget?
$900 +/- $50
What is your resolution?
No idea, I'm currently on a 1600x900 laptop screen, so somewhere maybe a bit bigger than that?
What are you using it for?
SC2, WoW, streaming, some MIDI/audio programs (Digital performer, virtual instrument softwares)
What is your upgrade cycle?
Not upgrading again for 4ish years.
When do you plan on building it?
I will be ordering parts next week 
Do you plan on overclocking?
Probably not.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes, but I'm a student so I can get that sweet $30 Windows 7 deal still ( I think)
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Nope.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg exclusively, as there are no parts stores aroudn where I live
Thank you so much for your time and suggestions, this thread is a Godsend for someone with no idea what the differences are between similar parts
EDIT: And I do need wireless on the comp, as the router is nowhere near my computer space. Thanks again.
EDIT 2: Thanks so much for all of your help folks!
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skyR, thank you very much for your feedback.
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On December 22 2011 08:14 las91 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So it looks like I'm going to be getting mostly money for christmas this year, and would love to build my own computer. What is your budget? $900 +/- $50 What is your resolution? No idea, I'm currently on a 1600x900 laptop screen, so somewhere maybe a bit bigger than that? What are you using it for? SC2, WoW, streaming, some MIDI/audio programs (Digital performer, virtual instrument softwares) What is your upgrade cycle? Not upgrading again for 4ish years. When do you plan on building it? I will be ordering parts next week Do you plan on overclocking? Probably not. Do you need an Operating System? Yes, but I'm a student so I can get that sweet $30 Windows 7 deal still ( I think) Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Nope. Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg exclusively, as there are no parts stores aroudn where I live Thank you so much for your time and suggestions, this thread is a Godsend for someone with no idea what the differences are between similar parts EDIT: And I do need wireless on the comp, as the router is nowhere near my computer space. Thanks again.
Here you go for $904:
Intel Core i5 2500 @ $195 (w/ promo code EMCJHJA32, ends 12/25)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115073
HIS Radeon HD6870 @ $160 ($140 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161389
MSI H67MS-E23 @ $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130598
PNY 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $32
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178333
Rosewill Capstone 450 @ $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066
DVD Burner @ $17
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244
Coolermaster HAF912 @ $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233
Samsung 830 128gb @ $210
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147134
Hitachi 500gb @ $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145299
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You might consider dropping the SSD in SkyR's recormmended list in order to make room for Windows and a monitor. Look at WomWomWom's recent posts in I think this thread for general screen advice. (essentially, for cheaper monitors they're all the same) Also if you want a cheaper but adequate power supply see SkyR's post previous to his (great) recommendations to you.
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