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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 10:29:17
December 21 2011 10:28 GMT
#16341
the SSD is bad, get something like crucial m4 instead. The motherboard is overpriced, you'd be completely fine with something like asrock pro3. Instead of superclocked graphics card buy a stock one and overclock it yourself. The heatsink is fine.Instead of that PSU I would get one of the new Rosewill gold PSUs, the 400 or 450 ones should both be plenty.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 21 2011 10:30 GMT
#16342
The price difference between the Ti and non-suffix GTX 560 is only $50, not $80. Either card is fine.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
December 21 2011 13:01 GMT
#16343
On December 21 2011 16:23 spscannon wrote:
ah ok thanks
the guy at microcenter was like it will require pci 3.0 so i got scared lol
ended up getting the asus as recommended


What a dumbass.

Not you I mean.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 21 2011 13:07 GMT
#16344
It's amazing how dumb people at the tech stores are, isn't it? Yesterday I went to a store and just for fun asked them to show me a hardcore gaming laptop and instead got some business workstation kind of a laptop O.o Then I asked to see a gaming desktop and they showed me a 2600k with gtx 560 Ti priced at 3000 euro... Hmm at least they got that right but the price >_>

Also trolling the tech salesmen sure is addicting, I need to keep doing this! ^-^ Maybe bully them with silly questions as well!
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
December 21 2011 13:14 GMT
#16345
Well I say dumb, but obviously they are trying to sell you shit you don't need. Normally I would not condone trolling salespeople but I tell you what:

Figure out which salesperson knows his shit and doesn't suggest ripoffs.

Hold onto that one guy forever.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 21 2011 13:39 GMT
#16346
Well what really made me try it was when I got really annoyed as I overheard some salesperson trying to sell a i5 with 520m laptop to some oldish clueless guy as a gaming laptop for his son -_-
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 14:15:27
December 21 2011 14:01 GMT
#16347
"Trolling" underpayed computer techs/salesmen is the tech industry's equivalent of ordering a pizza, making the pizza boy wait for you to come home, then bitch about how the pizza is cold. Fuck people who try to do that because it only encourages further apathy.

Edit:
Of course most people don't know what they're talking about. The computer industry doesn't make hardware easy to understand and even tech experts like that NCIX Linux guy say some absolutely incorrect stuff. What you think is elementary is very complex for many people.

In the cases you listed, its obvious they're trying to sell expensive/EOL hardware under the orders of the manager. This is not new, this is like how retail earns money.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
December 21 2011 14:14 GMT
#16348
They are underpaid because they are awful and deserve to be underpaid since that is typically how commission works. A good salesperson knows his shit, doesnt rip you off, and gets a client for life. Computer techs same boat only without commission.

Trust me if you are good in the field people will follow you outside the company should it ever happen.
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 14:43:49
December 21 2011 14:27 GMT
#16349
Commission is exactly why they try and get you to buy expensive hardware and lots of additional parts. This is not new in retail, I worked a commission job at a pushbike retailer. Actual hardware, like bike frames, are sold at cost price or at a loss; you make money on the accessories so we were always encouraged to push pumps and helmets here and there.

I'm not sure about Europe but most dedicated computer hardware retailers in Australia do not run on commission. You can only guess the quality of customer service there. They've got no incentive to help you and those in high street stores are too general purpose to know enough about the hardware anyway. Going into a store just to "troll" these people is what a sociopath would do.

Overpriced businesses, like audiophile stores, can generally get away with acting as good samaritans. Profit margins are huge so you only need to sell a few hardware to a small, but dedicated, client base to earn a lot of money. Obviously have return customers here is great. Computer retailers are not these stores.

You either go prepared to pay extra for good customer service or do research beforehand. A salesman doesn't exist to make you happy, he's there to sell hardware for the company.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 21 2011 14:56 GMT
#16350
underpaid? not sure how it is underpaid, if they dont know anything about their job. I think it's overpaid if anything. And nah it's equivelent to going to macdonals and ordering the big mac without cucumber although i could pick it out just fine, only to make sure it's warm instead of one of the ones they have waiting(and i do this every single time, it's good to make people earn their salary ;P)
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 14:59:18
December 21 2011 14:59 GMT
#16351
On December 21 2011 23:56 Shikyo wrote:
underpaid? not sure how it is underpaid, if they dont know anything about their job. I think it's overpaid if anything. And nah it's equivelent to going to macdonals and ordering the big mac without cucumber although i could pick it out just fine, only to make sure it's warm instead of one of the ones they have waiting(and i do this every single time, it's good to make people earn their salary ;P)


They really call them cucumbers in Finland?

We call them pickles. (I know same vegetable but still)
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
December 21 2011 15:04 GMT
#16352
Maybe they put fresh cucumbers on their burgers...Just maybe
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
December 21 2011 15:13 GMT
#16353
Let me ask you, how many people still honestly believe there is a huge difference between 8ms, 5ms, 2ms panels, LED and CCFL backlighting, as well as the importance of dynamic contrast ratios?

Salesmen know the basics from the training given by the company. Beyond that, they know nothing of worth since the computer industry exists on ripping people off with confusing nomenclature. At the end of the day they are just retail workers doing a job they most likely dislike. If you want people who know what they are talking about go to an expensive computer store run by mum and dad types or actual enthusiasts.

So yeah thanks for proving that you're a sociopath with that McD's story.

(Pickles are cucumbers)
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
December 21 2011 15:15 GMT
#16354
On December 22 2011 00:04 Disregard wrote:
Maybe they put fresh cucumbers on their burgers...Just maybe


Mmm. I dont think so. Maybe? That sounds terrible honestly.
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 15:30:46
December 21 2011 15:20 GMT
#16355
I think the urge to troll bad sales clerks and wanting a fresh hamburger are quite normal traits and not a diagnosis for sociopathy (possibly a bit douchy).

On December 22 2011 00:15 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 00:04 Disregard wrote:
Maybe they put fresh cucumbers on their burgers...Just maybe


Mmm. I dont think so. Maybe? That sounds terrible honestly.


It's quite normal on sandwhiches. Hamburgers I've never heard of. But it was a while ago I was to finland.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 21 2011 15:37 GMT
#16356
On December 21 2011 23:59 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 23:56 Shikyo wrote:
underpaid? not sure how it is underpaid, if they dont know anything about their job. I think it's overpaid if anything. And nah it's equivelent to going to macdonals and ordering the big mac without cucumber although i could pick it out just fine, only to make sure it's warm instead of one of the ones they have waiting(and i do this every single time, it's good to make people earn their salary ;P)


They really call them cucumbers in Finland?

We call them pickles. (I know same vegetable but still)

pickle is the word =) its pickled cucumber I guess, salt cucumber... finland is strange anyway, I need to work on my vocab as direct translations always fail
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
December 21 2011 16:33 GMT
#16357
Delivery from anobo.de just got here fuck ya. I bought the exact build (post_id=12629109) u made Shikyo, it was great!! thx man.

now the fun part i gotta build it )
Alisto
Profile Joined December 2011
United States13 Posts
December 21 2011 18:24 GMT
#16358
This is my anticipated build so far:

Bit Fenix Merc Alpha
i5 2400
ASRock H61M-VS
G.Skill 8GB DDR3 1600 (already abought, I realize the board only handles up to 1333)
PowerColor 6870
WD Caviar Blue 500gb 7200rpm
OCZ 500w PSU


I feel like it's a pretty balanced build, but I'm also at the point where I'm trying to be sensible. What if I skimp on the processor? Say an i3 2100? Will having dual core be able to handle a possible 720 stream. When I run games/stream, I'll only ever have music(probably Pandora/Grooveshark) and maybe news or TL as tabs open. I want a true gaming rig. I also want to be able to run Diablo 3 or Guild Wars 2 on High. I'm not the biggest nut on running Ultra to be honest. I just don't want anything bottlenecked or a loss of fps due to a lacking part. I'm not gonna upgrade this beast. It's just going to need to last me 2 years. If you could please recommend me an optimal cpu/gpu for my needs. Thanks in advance.

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 21 2011 18:46 GMT
#16359
Which OCZ 500W is it?

Warning (just because somebody complained later once): H61M-VS does not support Gigabit (1000 Mbps) Ethernet and only has one PCIe 1x slot in addition to the PCIe 16x slot for the graphics card. Make sure you don't require USB3, SATA3, or other features.

That looks good though, other than possibly the power supply.
Alisto
Profile Joined December 2011
United States13 Posts
December 21 2011 19:01 GMT
#16360
On December 22 2011 03:46 Myrmidon wrote:
Which OCZ 500W is it?

Warning (just because somebody complained later once): H61M-VS does not support Gigabit (1000 Mbps) Ethernet and only has one PCIe 1x slot in addition to the PCIe 16x slot for the graphics card. Make sure you don't require USB3, SATA3, or other features.

That looks good though, other than possibly the power supply.


Here's the exact link:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341016&Tpk=ocz 500w

So if not the H61M-VS, you'd recommend the Biostar H61MGC? Also, any thoughts on my other concerns regarding if it's worth it to just go i3 or diff gpu?
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
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