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On December 21 2011 07:31 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 07:21 Nfi wrote:On December 21 2011 06:14 Shikyo wrote:
rest of the system please, but generally go with 6850 instead Looking at some of the benchmarks on tomshardware the 6850 doesn't seem that much better than the 6790 is there that much difference that its worth the extra 30? Tomshardware is pretty shit in general so I'm not sure what benchmark you're looking at but I'm pretty sure most benchmarks (xbit, anand, hwc, [h], etc) have the 6850 performing significantly better (10 or more FPS) than the 6790. The performance difference between it and the 6850 is much greater than between it and the 5770. You get a much better card for $20 more or you get a similar performing card for $20 less.
Ahh thanks for the help mate I think im gonna end up going with the 6850 after all. Hopefully it will be a nice upgrade.
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I would be surprised if the difference were 10 fps all of the time. HD 6790 should be pretty close, except when high render output unit (ROP) count is needed, like for heavy antialiasing. If you don't generally turn on AA, then HD 6790 should be pretty good.
HD 6870, HD 6850, and HD 6790 all use the same GPU design, just with different configurations. All are VLIW5 Barts.
HD 6870 - 1120 shaders, 56 texture mapping units, 32 ROPs, 900 MHz core
HD 6850 - 960 shaders, 48 texture mapping units, 32 ROPs, 775 MHz core
HD 6790 - 800 shaders, 40 texture mapping units, 16 ROPs, 840 MHz core
Many situations are constrained by shaders, so in those cases, I'd expect the HD 6790 to be very somewhat similar to the HD 6850. In many others, where ROPs are more important, there will be a larger difference.
I think $30 is a fair price difference, but generally I'd err towards the HD 6850. Probably the HD 6850 can be overclocked with more room anyway, and can run more like 840 MHz or higher without problem, erasing some of the advantage of the HD 6790.
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On December 21 2011 06:49 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 06:41 Shauni wrote:On December 21 2011 06:35 Myrmidon wrote:On December 21 2011 06:30 Shauni wrote:On December 21 2011 05:57 Shikyo wrote:On December 21 2011 05:27 Shauni wrote:So, I finally replaced the GPU fan to a chassis fan (the one where i fastened an intel cpu fan on). Then I realized that it wasnt that fan which bothered me in terms of noise levels. It's the damned PSU fan which sounds like a vacuum cleaner. It was actually relatively silent before, but started to annoy me a lot a few months ago. It feels like it always runs on max (If the computer has been turned off, it's silent until a few minutes after boot, which seems to me as a warmth issue). I bought the Antec Sonata II about 5 years ago, it's the same 450 w power supply that came with the case. I've upgraded everything else numerous times, but never touched the PSU. In retrospect, maybe I've been lucky that it still lasts, since I've ran a lot of overclocking and numerous graphics cards (I even tried crossfire haha). A quick look at the PSU calculator tells me this: + Show Spoiler +System Type: 1 physical CPU
Motherboard: High End - Desktop
CPU Socket: Socket AM3
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 3200 MHz Deneb
Overclocked: 3800 MHz, 1.45 V
CPU Utilization (TDP): 90% TDP
RAM: 2 Sticks DDR3 SDRAM
Video Card 1: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 768MB
Regular SATA: 2 HDDs
Green SATA: 1 HDD
Flash SSD: 1 Drive
USB: 4 Devices
Front Bay LCD Display: Yes
Fans
Regular: 1 Fan 80mm; 1 Fan 120mm;
Keyboard and mouse: Yes
System Load: 100 %
Capacitor Aging (+ W %): 30 %
Minimum PSU Wattage: 496 Watts
Recommended Wattage: 546 Watts
While i know it calculates with margin, it might be a good idea to replace especially regarding all the noise. I tried blowing out some dust, but I don't think that's the issue here. Maybe a fan change will help here as well. What do you guys think? Yeah the sonata psu is actually pretty bad and yes it's likely it's running at full power and is dying. If I was you I'd get something like Super Flower Golden Green 550, it's silent too. Aren't you guys forgetting something though? Is it okay to mount a PSU like that? Both of them have the fan exhaust below the PSU. Won't this make the case very hot since the Antec case uses the old mount-in-top PSU? I don't have any exhaust chassis fans either. And why are you guys recommending such strange brand PSUs (non gaming?) which are really difficult to find here? Are they more silent or priceworthy? I thought people generally liked to recommend big brands such as OCZ, XFX or Corsair for PSU. Oh wait, where do you live? What's available? Brand is irrelevant, at least for how the power supply performs, is built, and holds up over time--we just care about the actual manufacturer and design they're using. OCZ, Corsair, etc. don't do any PSU manufacturing, and mostly just order stock designs from the actual PSU manufacturers. Super Flower is a reasonably large PSU OEM, and the Golden Green design is a top tier design. SF Golden Green Pro or rebranded Rosewill Capstone use good parts too. For the power supplies with large 120-140mm fans on the long side, those are intake fans, not exhaust. If the power supply is of good quality and uses decent 105C-rated electrolytic capacitors in the secondary side, a little higher temperatures coming into the PSU aren't going to be a big deal. Oh I see. So I should just go for something like this then? It's standard size and will fit my slot right? That's a lower-end Super Flower design, labeled at way more wattage than is necessary (and isn't really helpful). For that price there's better alternatives. If you want to get something nice, this Thermaltake Toughpower XT 575W is very good, for 659 SEK: http://cdon.se/hemelektronik/thermaltake_toughpower_xt_575w_bronze-14188296That's a CWT DSG.
Never seen that super flower model before. Isn't it an AXP cheapefied/moddified superflower amazon?
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On December 21 2011 08:05 Madoga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 06:49 Myrmidon wrote:On December 21 2011 06:41 Shauni wrote:On December 21 2011 06:35 Myrmidon wrote:On December 21 2011 06:30 Shauni wrote:On December 21 2011 05:57 Shikyo wrote:On December 21 2011 05:27 Shauni wrote:So, I finally replaced the GPU fan to a chassis fan (the one where i fastened an intel cpu fan on). Then I realized that it wasnt that fan which bothered me in terms of noise levels. It's the damned PSU fan which sounds like a vacuum cleaner. It was actually relatively silent before, but started to annoy me a lot a few months ago. It feels like it always runs on max (If the computer has been turned off, it's silent until a few minutes after boot, which seems to me as a warmth issue). I bought the Antec Sonata II about 5 years ago, it's the same 450 w power supply that came with the case. I've upgraded everything else numerous times, but never touched the PSU. In retrospect, maybe I've been lucky that it still lasts, since I've ran a lot of overclocking and numerous graphics cards (I even tried crossfire haha). A quick look at the PSU calculator tells me this: + Show Spoiler +System Type: 1 physical CPU
Motherboard: High End - Desktop
CPU Socket: Socket AM3
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 3200 MHz Deneb
Overclocked: 3800 MHz, 1.45 V
CPU Utilization (TDP): 90% TDP
RAM: 2 Sticks DDR3 SDRAM
Video Card 1: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 768MB
Regular SATA: 2 HDDs
Green SATA: 1 HDD
Flash SSD: 1 Drive
USB: 4 Devices
Front Bay LCD Display: Yes
Fans
Regular: 1 Fan 80mm; 1 Fan 120mm;
Keyboard and mouse: Yes
System Load: 100 %
Capacitor Aging (+ W %): 30 %
Minimum PSU Wattage: 496 Watts
Recommended Wattage: 546 Watts
While i know it calculates with margin, it might be a good idea to replace especially regarding all the noise. I tried blowing out some dust, but I don't think that's the issue here. Maybe a fan change will help here as well. What do you guys think? Yeah the sonata psu is actually pretty bad and yes it's likely it's running at full power and is dying. If I was you I'd get something like Super Flower Golden Green 550, it's silent too. Aren't you guys forgetting something though? Is it okay to mount a PSU like that? Both of them have the fan exhaust below the PSU. Won't this make the case very hot since the Antec case uses the old mount-in-top PSU? I don't have any exhaust chassis fans either. And why are you guys recommending such strange brand PSUs (non gaming?) which are really difficult to find here? Are they more silent or priceworthy? I thought people generally liked to recommend big brands such as OCZ, XFX or Corsair for PSU. Oh wait, where do you live? What's available? Brand is irrelevant, at least for how the power supply performs, is built, and holds up over time--we just care about the actual manufacturer and design they're using. OCZ, Corsair, etc. don't do any PSU manufacturing, and mostly just order stock designs from the actual PSU manufacturers. Super Flower is a reasonably large PSU OEM, and the Golden Green design is a top tier design. SF Golden Green Pro or rebranded Rosewill Capstone use good parts too. For the power supplies with large 120-140mm fans on the long side, those are intake fans, not exhaust. If the power supply is of good quality and uses decent 105C-rated electrolytic capacitors in the secondary side, a little higher temperatures coming into the PSU aren't going to be a big deal. Oh I see. So I should just go for something like this then? It's standard size and will fit my slot right? That's a lower-end Super Flower design, labeled at way more wattage than is necessary (and isn't really helpful). For that price there's better alternatives. If you want to get something nice, this Thermaltake Toughpower XT 575W is very good, for 659 SEK: http://cdon.se/hemelektronik/thermaltake_toughpower_xt_575w_bronze-14188296That's a CWT DSG. Never seen that super flower model before. Isn't it an AXP cheapefied/moddified superflower amazon?
No idea. AXP is Xion though, and they mostly use Super Flower units. Most Xion units are from back in the day though, back before Super Flower was good. If it's just cheapified Amazon, that's not bad then...but the Toughpower XT is priced shockingly low relative to how good it is, so it's kind of a moot point.
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Yea the TT toughpower xt is very cheap in europe 
Was just asking since I cant find anything about it (not on the SF nor on AXP site). However the sku number is "SF-xxxP14HES" and the Amazon is "SF-xxxP14HE", hence the link.
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Ok, found out its old -> updated SF/SFC design.
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I didn't see this posted yet, but they're supposedly from AMDs reviewer's guide.
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Ok, so my friend is looking to build a computer. I let him pick out the case and i told him that if this case works which im not sure it will with this motherboard then the inside will have atrocious cable management but he said he really didn't care how it looked inside. O and also, all he wants to do is play SWTOR.
CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($133.59 @ Mac Connection)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-P67A-D3-B3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($40.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($152.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax ATX-298WW ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 500W ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222AB DVD/CD Writer ($22.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer S230HLAbii 23.0" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $650.05 Total
(before mail-in rebates): $710.05
And yes no HD, i have an external Wester Digital 2tbh HD (SATA) that i took apart and now have the HD. I want to save him a little cash. So ya, his budget he said was $750. I'd really like to stay under 750 before rebates. He's gonna give me cash which will be whatever before the rebates is. So ya, another 40$ or so to work with seeing as the total before rebates. Also, I wanna ask to make sure that this 2tb should work.
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Wow, thanks skyr, i will make the revisions immediately.
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Revised list of what was recommended. I have another 100$ or so to work with so any upgrade advice is welcome. Also, and opinions on the case would be nice because it has so few reviews.
CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M-VS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: PNY Optima 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($31.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($152.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax ATX-298WW ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 500W ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer S230HLAbii 23.0" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $592.47
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case is terrible, haf 912 wrecks it for instance
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See that's the thing, that what he does care about. He cares about the looks. I recommended the haf 912 to him but he kinda meh it off.
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Hihi. This is my first post. I have been reading thoroughly throughout this thread because I want to build my first computer for gaming and other use. I hope that you guys can help me and I am sure that you will!
What is your budget?
600-700
1) What is your resolution?
1920x1080
2) What are you using it for?
Mainly SC2 and BF3, but some others as well. Probably as a server for my TV later on (2 or 3 years down the road)
3) What is your upgrade cycle?
Four years. I want to play SC2 and BF3 on Ultra now, and then other games smoothly in the later years on medium or so without jeopardizing resolution.
4) When do you plan on building it?
As soon as I am given a build that looks good.
5) Do you plan on overclocking?
I don't. Should I? I have read about it in this thread and it seems worth it. I don't think I would want to deal with actually doing it.
6) Do you need an Operating System?
No
7) Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No
8) Where are you buying your parts from?
Mainly Newegg. There is a microcenter 50 minutes from my house though.
Thanks for the help/advice guys! One of my friends got advice from the people here and he is very happy with his computer!!
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On December 21 2011 10:05 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:
See that's the thing, that what he does care about. He cares about the looks. I recommended the haf 912 to him but he kinda meh it off.
Not a big deal if he wants that case for aesthetics.
The extra $100 I guess you can put it into a core i5 2400 ($180): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074 , put it towards a better monitor such as the Dell U2312HM ($240 atm iirc, less with coupons floating around somewhere on the web), or just pocket it.
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On December 21 2011 10:15 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 10:05 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:
See that's the thing, that what he does care about. He cares about the looks. I recommended the haf 912 to him but he kinda meh it off. Not a big deal if he wants that case for aesthetics. The extra $100 I guess you can put it into a core i5 2400 ($180): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074 , put it towards a better monitor such as the Dell U2312HM ($240 atm iirc, less with coupons floating around somewhere on the web), or just pocket it.
Do you think that the i5 2400 will be that much more difference in performance?
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Thanks skyR! I had two questions. Is it worth it to throw in a SSD? I looked at some stuff about it based on load up times and what not, but I wanted to get your opinion. My second question is that the i5 2400 says that it is 3.1 GHz, but powerboost 3.4GHz? What does this exactly mean? Thanks again!
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Ok, hmm i think ill just spend the extra cash on a better monitor. How do you think that build will do in SWTOR?
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