EPTOn December 21 2011 01:26 Medrea wrote:
Most of my 90 video cards are Cypresses.
Most of my 90 video cards are Cypresses.
Sounds like a bragging comment :/ not all of us can afford 90 video cards.
Computer Build Resource Thread - Page 814
| Forum Index > Tech Support |
When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly. | ||
|
Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
Sounds like a bragging comment :/ not all of us can afford 90 video cards. | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
On December 21 2011 01:38 Josh_rakoons wrote: Sounds like a bragging comment :/ not all of us can afford 90 video cards. I need Crossfire (90). That way I can run games on my 1024x768 monitor at 500FPS, anything less is unplayable for me. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Also the Cypresses came out at 280/380 which were totally unbelievably amazing pricepoints and completely pummeled Nvidia to the ground. They weren't overpriced in the slightest. They came out at those prices. They were quickly price gouged due to shortages. Do you not honestly not remember the Cypress shortages? It was literally smarter to buy two HD5770s and crossfire them because HD5850s were either gone or so overpriced. It only ever went down when the GTX460 was released. Cypress didn't pummel nVidia because no one could find or afford one. It was the HD5770 that did most of the work, since its basically AMD's 8800. | ||
|
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 21 2011 01:49 Womwomwom wrote: They came out at those prices. They were quickly price gouged due to shortages. Do you not honestly not remember the Cypress shortages? It was literally smarter to buy two HD5770s and crossfire them because HD5850s were either gone or so overpriced. It only ever went down when the GTX460 was released. Cypress didn't pummel nVidia because no one could find or afford one. It was the HD5770 that did most of the work, since its basically AMD's 8800. Yeah but I'd say that was more because they were so underpriced. Even 300/400 was still underpriced in my opinion. Not the same deal here assuming the speculations are correct. | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
And still is. And bitcoin mining was taking off like crazy at the time so I dont think poor yields was the only factor in it. Miners were selling there cards at greater than market value if they felt uneasy about the coin. | ||
|
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
You have an entirely new GPU architecture on a new manufacturing process that TSMC is having stupid amounts of trouble getting working in an environment where the opposition is non-existent. Only now you have all of your ARM SoC friends competing with you for bulk orders. On December 21 2011 02:12 Medrea wrote: The price gouging was also due in fact that Cypress was the best Bitcoin mining card ever. And still is. And bitcoin mining was taking off like crazy at the time so I dont think poor yields was the only factor in it. Miners were selling there cards at greater than market value if they felt uneasy about the coin. What? BitCoins weren't big money then. It was shit yields from TSMC. It always is. | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
On December 21 2011 02:16 Womwomwom wrote: They were price gouged closer to $350/$450 actually. The exact same problem will happen, only worse. You have an entirely new GPU architecture on a new manufacturing process that TSMC is having stupid amounts of trouble getting working in an environment where the opposition is non-existent. Only now you have all of your ARM SoC friends competing with you for bulk orders. What? BitCoins we're big money then. It was shit yields from TSMC. 2009? | ||
|
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Every non-Intel fab has had trouble with their fabs, this is not a secret. TSMC can't shrink their processes without fucking all of their partners. GF is so terrible that AMD actually struck a deal that they would only pay for the good processors...a good decision in hindsight. | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
On December 21 2011 02:19 Womwomwom wrote: BitCoins only became something for a few months in 2011. And only libertarians cared about it. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Main_Page Mining is also listed on the wiki for the entire evergreen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_(GPU_family) It says recently but 5xxx and bitcoin mining are like synonymous now. ...and its still something.....dammit. Anyway the rich early adopters were buying them by the hundreds, puts my operation to shame. You are still correct about the take-off time though, it spiked for a couple months. This caused a second gouge and low supply this year. The coin is still in an excellent condition from last year. | ||
|
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
It feels like you are confusing history a little bit. HD5850 and HD5870 vanished off the face of the planet due to shit yields from TSMC. Unless you guys have unbelievable faith in non-Intel fabs, its pretty obvious the exact same situation is going to happen. | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
| ||
|
MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
It's relatively easy to gather subjective opinions about the market from a bit coiner's perspective (wikipedia articles, for instance, should be classified as opinion or anecdotal evidence). And it's relatively easy to track or remember price & supply fluctuations. But without some hard data on the number of bit coiners in existence, their purchases, and sales numbers of cards for our time period, we're pretty much left with speculation and assumption. Don't get me wrong, speculation and assumption are key tools of the trade for the historian. But none of us here have the resources (assuming they exist) necessary to make a definitive judgment. | ||
|
Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Certainly I wouldn't expect a repeat of Cypress unavailability, though I still doubt the street price will match the lower cost estimates being thrown around. There doesn't seem to be enough production at the moment. Large chips on new architectures on a new manufacturing process, are difficult to get right. | ||
|
Shauni
4077 Posts
In retrospect, maybe I've been lucky that it still lasts, since I've ran a lot of overclocking and numerous graphics cards (I even tried crossfire haha). A quick look at the PSU calculator tells me this: + Show Spoiler + System Type: 1 physical CPU Motherboard: High End - Desktop CPU Socket: Socket AM3 CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 3200 MHz Deneb Overclocked: 3800 MHz, 1.45 V CPU Utilization (TDP): 90% TDP RAM: 2 Sticks DDR3 SDRAM Video Card 1: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 768MB Regular SATA: 2 HDDs Green SATA: 1 HDD Flash SSD: 1 Drive USB: 4 Devices Front Bay LCD Display: Yes Fans Regular: 1 Fan 80mm; 1 Fan 120mm; Keyboard and mouse: Yes System Load: 100 % Capacitor Aging (+ W %): 30 % Minimum PSU Wattage: 496 Watts Recommended Wattage: 546 Watts While i know it calculates with margin, it might be a good idea to replace especially regarding all the noise. I tried blowing out some dust, but I don't think that's the issue here. Maybe a fan change will help here as well. What do you guys think? | ||
|
Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
On December 21 2011 05:27 Shauni wrote: So, I finally replaced the GPU fan to a chassis fan (the one where i fastened an intel cpu fan on). Then I realized that it wasnt that fan which bothered me in terms of noise levels. It's the damned PSU fan which sounds like a vacuum cleaner. It was actually relatively silent before, but started to annoy me a lot a few months ago. It feels like it always runs on max (If the computer has been turned off, it's silent until a few minutes after boot, which seems to me as a warmth issue). I bought the Antec Sonata II about 5 years ago, it's the same 450 w power supply that came with the case. I've upgraded everything else numerous times, but never touched the PSU. In retrospect, maybe I've been lucky that it still lasts, since I've ran a lot of overclocking and numerous graphics cards (I even tried crossfire haha). A quick look at the PSU calculator tells me this: + Show Spoiler + System Type: 1 physical CPU Motherboard: High End - Desktop CPU Socket: Socket AM3 CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 3200 MHz Deneb Overclocked: 3800 MHz, 1.45 V CPU Utilization (TDP): 90% TDP RAM: 2 Sticks DDR3 SDRAM Video Card 1: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 768MB Regular SATA: 2 HDDs Green SATA: 1 HDD Flash SSD: 1 Drive USB: 4 Devices Front Bay LCD Display: Yes Fans Regular: 1 Fan 80mm; 1 Fan 120mm; Keyboard and mouse: Yes System Load: 100 % Capacitor Aging (+ W %): 30 % Minimum PSU Wattage: 496 Watts Recommended Wattage: 546 Watts While i know it calculates with margin, it might be a good idea to replace especially regarding all the noise. I tried blowing out some dust, but I don't think that's the issue here. Maybe a fan change will help here as well. What do you guys think? Try cleaning the PSU with compressed air. | ||
|
MrStorkie
United Kingdom697 Posts
After google-ing for a bit, the fellow here has the exact same error that I do: http://windows7forums.com/windows-7-installation-upgrade/34795-failed-install-windows-7-error-code-0x8007001b.html Any ideas on how to go about it? Edit: Should I try to install windows on the HDD first? then proceed to update the firmware on the SSD, and then reinstall the OS on the SSD.. ? | ||
|
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 21 2011 05:27 Shauni wrote: So, I finally replaced the GPU fan to a chassis fan (the one where i fastened an intel cpu fan on). Then I realized that it wasnt that fan which bothered me in terms of noise levels. It's the damned PSU fan which sounds like a vacuum cleaner. It was actually relatively silent before, but started to annoy me a lot a few months ago. It feels like it always runs on max (If the computer has been turned off, it's silent until a few minutes after boot, which seems to me as a warmth issue). I bought the Antec Sonata II about 5 years ago, it's the same 450 w power supply that came with the case. I've upgraded everything else numerous times, but never touched the PSU. In retrospect, maybe I've been lucky that it still lasts, since I've ran a lot of overclocking and numerous graphics cards (I even tried crossfire haha). A quick look at the PSU calculator tells me this: + Show Spoiler + System Type: 1 physical CPU Motherboard: High End - Desktop CPU Socket: Socket AM3 CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 3200 MHz Deneb Overclocked: 3800 MHz, 1.45 V CPU Utilization (TDP): 90% TDP RAM: 2 Sticks DDR3 SDRAM Video Card 1: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 768MB Regular SATA: 2 HDDs Green SATA: 1 HDD Flash SSD: 1 Drive USB: 4 Devices Front Bay LCD Display: Yes Fans Regular: 1 Fan 80mm; 1 Fan 120mm; Keyboard and mouse: Yes System Load: 100 % Capacitor Aging (+ W %): 30 % Minimum PSU Wattage: 496 Watts Recommended Wattage: 546 Watts While i know it calculates with margin, it might be a good idea to replace especially regarding all the noise. I tried blowing out some dust, but I don't think that's the issue here. Maybe a fan change will help here as well. What do you guys think? Yeah the sonata psu is actually pretty bad and yes it's likely it's running at full power and is dying. If I was you I'd get something like Super Flower Golden Green 550, it's silent too. | ||
|
Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On December 21 2011 05:48 MrStorkie wrote: guys i'm having a serious problem. the rig that i've ordered just arrived and i'm currently trying to install windows 7 ultimate on it. I have a HDD and a SSD and i'm trying to install the OS on the SSD. At the beginning of the install screen, I've created a new partition on the SSD and formatted it.. and it says "primary" disk now. after expanding windows files (which usually takes the longest time to do), I'm getting the error 0x8007001b. Windows installation fails and I have to start from the beginning again. After google-ing for a bit, the fellow here has the exact same error that I do: http://windows7forums.com/windows-7-installation-upgrade/34795-failed-install-windows-7-error-code-0x8007001b.html Any ideas on how to go about it? Edit: Should I try to install windows on the HDD first? then proceed to update the firmware on the SSD, and then reinstall the OS on the SSD.. ? Sounds strange. Definitely don't install the OS on the HDD first though, since that's pointless (except to check that the OS disk is not faulty I guess). Firmware update is through bootable disk, so you could burn that and run that update first before trying the OS install again. What model SSD (and HDD) are you looking at? On December 21 2011 05:27 Shauni wrote: While i know it calculates with margin, it might be a good idea to replace especially regarding all the noise. I tried blowing out some dust, but I don't think that's the issue here. Maybe a fan change will help here as well. What do you guys think? The Sonata II comes with a 450W Smart Power 2.0. The fan is 80mm x 80mm x 20mm so a thin model and thus bothersome to replace. Maybe the fan is dying? More importantly, IIRC this is one of the cheap CWT-built units with the Fuhjyuu capacitors that were famous for failing in months. The cheap CWT units destroyed Antec's reputation a while back. Of course, CWT also makes stuff like Corsair CX V2, most Corsair HX line, and some other high-end stuff, but the Antec CWT units were the ones to avoid. I'd just get a new power supply. Rosewill Capstone 450W is one of those SF Golden Greens, and is well worth $60. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 | ||
|
Nfi
United States357 Posts
| ||
|
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
| ||
| ||
