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thanks for the ideas and links !
On December 20 2011 08:55 Myrmidon wrote:
Generally you don't use a really low-end power supply that comes bundled with a cheap case, unless you're fine with your system failing. Do you need an upgrade? The kind of system you're looking at uses under 150W. It's a good idea though, if your power supply is that old, just to have an ATX12V design and without failing capacitors...
i still have a spare 370w trust one, i was considering buing a case so i could order them to assemble the whole thing for me, also the case looks better than mine =D
On December 20 2011 08:55 Myrmidon wrote:
Warning: if your old drives are PATA (IDE) and not SATA, they are not compatible with modern motherboards, which no longer use PATA. Actually, that can be an advantage of using an old AMD processor--many of the AM3 motherboards will still have a PATA port. However, it's probably worth upgrading a hard drive that's really old.
thing i dont understand is some of the boards on that site will have a remark "max number of IDE drives: 2" but then it wont let you select IDE drives for your build so cant be sure if it will be compatible :S
any reason why you prefer the 1GB HIS Radeon over the 2GB Sapphire for ~9euros more ?
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On December 20 2011 09:26 d9mmdi wrote:thanks for the ideas and links ! Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:55 Myrmidon wrote:
Generally you don't use a really low-end power supply that comes bundled with a cheap case, unless you're fine with your system failing. Do you need an upgrade? The kind of system you're looking at uses under 150W. It's a good idea though, if your power supply is that old, just to have an ATX12V design and without failing capacitors...
i still have a spare 370w trust one, i was considering buing a case so i could order them to assemble the whole thing for me, also the case looks better than mine =D Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:55 Myrmidon wrote:
Warning: if your old drives are PATA (IDE) and not SATA, they are not compatible with modern motherboards, which no longer use PATA. Actually, that can be an advantage of using an old AMD processor--many of the AM3 motherboards will still have a PATA port. However, it's probably worth upgrading a hard drive that's really old. thing i dont understand is some of the boards on that site will have a remark "max number of IDE drives: 2" but then it wont let you select IDE drives for your build so cant be sure if it will be compatible :S any reason why you prefer the 1GB HIS Radeon over the 2GB Sapphire for ~9euros more ?
Well if you need everything, it will be over your 300 euros budget. I'm not familiar with any power supply model of 370W exactly, so it may not really be from a trusted brand with decent design and manufacturing.
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 320GB (there's also 500GB for 10 euros more) - 70 €
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=49617&agid=1342
Samsung CD / DVD-RW (SATA) - 16 €
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=47362&agid=699
BitFenix Merc Alpha - 32 €
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=50575&agid=631
The video card choice was to get the cheapest HD 6670. 2GB of VRAM on video cards is useless unless you're playing certain games at resolutions like 2560x1440 or higher, and are turning up certain video settings. i.e. performance will be the exact same as a 1GB model, as the extra VRAM will go unused. A 512MB GDDR5 model is actually preferred to a 1GB DDR3 model.
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Can somebody help me with this question?
I learned that i7-2600k has the integrated Intel HD 3000 graphics. Is it okay to utilize this with an H67 board and not get a graphics card and still get decent performance?
I'm a casual gamer, so I don't necessarily care about running a game at the highest setting and I'm a bit wary about overclocking.
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HD3000 is still pretty inadequate. No, I would still get a low end GPU if you want some decent frame rates.
If you can't afford a lot of computer, just get a i5 2400 + HD6850. It will be better for gaming and still very good for multi-threaded applications.
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Skip the 2600k and get a 2600 without the K. Youll save money for exact same performance.
Although i7 on an H67 is a very wonky build in general. Not for gamers.
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On December 20 2011 19:03 broz0rs wrote:
Can somebody help me with this question?
I learned that i7-2600k has the integrated Intel HD 3000 graphics. Is it okay to utilize this with an H67 board and not get a graphics card and still get decent performance?
I'm a casual gamer, so I don't necessarily care about running a game at the highest setting and I'm a bit wary about overclocking.
There's no real point in getting a 2600K with that motherboard and if you're not going to overclock. If you're only getting it for the Intel's HD 3000 graphics, I believe the i5 2405s, and i3 2125 and 2105 all has it. Worth saving a bit money.
However, if money is not an issue, and you feel that you might want to overclock in the future, I recommend getting a i5 2500k with a Z68 board. With this, you're full proof if you want to overclock or get a graphics card in the future.
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On December 20 2011 09:26 d9mmdi wrote:thanks for the ideas and links ! Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:55 Myrmidon wrote:
Generally you don't use a really low-end power supply that comes bundled with a cheap case, unless you're fine with your system failing. Do you need an upgrade? The kind of system you're looking at uses under 150W. It's a good idea though, if your power supply is that old, just to have an ATX12V design and without failing capacitors...
i still have a spare 370w trust one, i was considering buing a case so i could order them to assemble the whole thing for me, also the case looks better than mine =D Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:55 Myrmidon wrote:
Warning: if your old drives are PATA (IDE) and not SATA, they are not compatible with modern motherboards, which no longer use PATA. Actually, that can be an advantage of using an old AMD processor--many of the AM3 motherboards will still have a PATA port. However, it's probably worth upgrading a hard drive that's really old. thing i dont understand is some of the boards on that site will have a remark "max number of IDE drives: 2" but then it wont let you select IDE drives for your build so cant be sure if it will be compatible :S any reason why you prefer the 1GB HIS Radeon over the 2GB Sapphire for ~9euros more ?
because paying 70e for a 6670 is just really stupid when 6750 starts at 75.
So I would suggest going with the g530 and 6670 combo as suggested but that shouldn't really have any problems with most decent PSUs. It'll consume maybe 120w in extreme load. If concerned I think this would be the best value atm:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p730886_400W-Chieftec--iArena-Serie--GPA-400S8-.html
by the way mindfactory is really cheap for the components you want and you should buy everything there. You will save over 10 euros that way.
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Wow great thread, just what I've been looking for.
I need some advice if anyone can shed some light please do!
Roughly 3 years ago I set out to build a PC that I could maintain and keep at a relatively high end, anyway, long story short I havent really kept it up, priorities change however I'm starting to consider upgrading the graphics at this point.
The set up is as follows:
Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DQ6 socket AM2+ motherboard
CPU - AMD Phenom 9950 quad core socket AM2+ processor
Case - Antec Twelve Hundred Gamers case
PSU - ANTEC PSU/TruePower Quattro 1000W 80+ PSU
GPU - Sapphire 4870 x 2 2Gb PCI-Express graphics card
RAM - Kingston 6GB 800MHz (2x2GB kit) Fully Buffered DDR2 RAM
Anyway I was recently looking at upgrading my GPU.
I dont have a tonne of money but I've been looking at switching to nvidia, before they seemed overpriced and ATI were better value but now I see nvidia as making a more reliable product and ATI are a bit hit and miss (not based on any evidence really, just how I see it now).
I have my eye on the following cards:
Asus GeForce GTX570 1280MB PCI Express Graphics Card - about £370
http://www.misco.co.uk/product/162940/Asus-GeForce-GTX570-1280MB-PCI-Express-Graphics-Card
EVGA Graphics Card GeForce GTX 570 2560MB GDDR5 PCI-E - about £330
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/52428/EVGA-Graphics-Card-GeForce-GTX-570-2560MB-GDDR5
Gainward Graphics Card GeForce GTX 580 1536MB GDDR5 PCI-E HDMI - about £360
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/50217/Gainward-Graphics-Card-GeForce-GTX-580-1536MB
However I decided to check out a stat comparison on my old card first:
http://www.hwcompare.com/9029/geforce-gtx-570-vs-radeon-hd-4870-x2/
Now I know that is just a numbers vs numbers thing, no benchmarking, and I would be extremely surprised if the nvidia cards didnt outperform my years old card in a true test.
However it got me wondering whether or not the performance increases would be worth it.
At the moment I play the following games:
Sc2
The Old Republic
BF3
The first 2 run fine on pretty much max (TOR has high on everything but shadows).
BF3 I havent played much but I wasnt satisfied at all with my cards performance, I hate lowering settings 
So my question ultimately boils down to, is it worth me upgrading my card to any of those? Should I perhaps save myself some money and go cheaper? (there are 570s for about 100 quid less) Should I leave it another year or perhaps even more? Maybe even waiting till DX12 (few years?)?
My current card is powerful, no doubt, but the tech is old, it cant really handle advances in graphics on games like BF3, but is that alone a reason to spend all that dosh!
Any advice would be more than welcome 
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@adwodon
AMD 7xxx cards are set to release in two days with a full release late january or so. Purchasing a GPU now is the wrong time.
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On December 20 2011 22:20 Medrea wrote:
@adwodon
AMD 7xxx cards are set to release in two days with a full release late january or so. Purchasing a GPU now is the wrong time.
Ah interesting news.
Presumably that means that all cards will see a noticeable price drop soon?
I'm not entirely convinced I want another ATI card, but I certainly dont want to waste money
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On December 20 2011 22:24 adwodon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 22:20 Medrea wrote:
@adwodon
AMD 7xxx cards are set to release in two days with a full release late january or so. Purchasing a GPU now is the wrong time. Ah interesting news. Presumably that means that all cards will see a noticeable price drop soon? I'm not entirely convinced I want another ATI card, but I certainly dont want to waste money
Maybe not a price drop but consider that mid end 7xxx series will probably outperform a 580 while costing about $300, speculative. The new technology is 28nm and a new architecture so this is a prominent release.
nVidia isnt set to release another series until Q3 or even late Q4.
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On December 20 2011 22:24 adwodon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 22:20 Medrea wrote:
@adwodon
AMD 7xxx cards are set to release in two days with a full release late january or so. Purchasing a GPU now is the wrong time. Ah interesting news. Presumably that means that all cards will see a noticeable price drop soon? I'm not entirely convinced I want another ATI card, but I certainly dont want to waste money
The 7xxx cards (at least higher end ones) are going to be based on the 28 nm manufacturing process so great performance over this generation of AMD and NVIDIA cards is expected.
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On December 20 2011 22:32 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 22:24 adwodon wrote:On December 20 2011 22:20 Medrea wrote:
@adwodon
AMD 7xxx cards are set to release in two days with a full release late january or so. Purchasing a GPU now is the wrong time. Ah interesting news. Presumably that means that all cards will see a noticeable price drop soon? I'm not entirely convinced I want another ATI card, but I certainly dont want to waste money Maybe not a price drop but consider that mid end 7xxx series will probably outperform a 580 while costing about $300, speculative. The new technology is 28nm and a new architecture so this is a prominent release. nVidia isnt set to release another series until Q3 or even late Q4.
For a person wanting to spend in the 225+-25$ CAD on a gpu, is there a point waiting?
edit: or is it just kinda stupid not to put an extra 50$.
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On December 20 2011 23:04 Ata wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 22:32 Medrea wrote:On December 20 2011 22:24 adwodon wrote:On December 20 2011 22:20 Medrea wrote:
@adwodon
AMD 7xxx cards are set to release in two days with a full release late january or so. Purchasing a GPU now is the wrong time. Ah interesting news. Presumably that means that all cards will see a noticeable price drop soon? I'm not entirely convinced I want another ATI card, but I certainly dont want to waste money Maybe not a price drop but consider that mid end 7xxx series will probably outperform a 580 while costing about $300, speculative. The new technology is 28nm and a new architecture so this is a prominent release. nVidia isnt set to release another series until Q3 or even late Q4. For a person wanting to spend in the 225+-25$ CAD on a gpu, is there a point waiting? edit: or is it just kinda stupid not to put an extra 50$.
Yeah actually evidently the 7850 is supposed to retail for around $200 and is more powerful than a 6950. That sounds like a good deal to me.
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No, you won't be able to afford it. Price gouging and all that. I think nVidia and AMD users don't really do a lot of cross-shopping so there isn't an incentive for AMD to price their cards extremely aggressively. People who buy nVidia still think AMD has shit drivers and people who buy AMD don't really care about waiting a few weeks for decent drivers.
You're kidding yourself if you think AMD would price a GPU that outperforms a GTX580 at $300. No, they're going to milk enthusiasts' bone dry and make the most of the awful yields new architectures and processes always bring to the table. Remember those $400 Cypress cards? Its going to happen again.
Edit: Yes, I'm aware AMD could go for a market share grab but market share is irrelevant if it doesn't earn you lots of money.
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I doubt enthusiasts will want a 78xx card.
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When it performs better than a HD6950 and is likely able to Crossfire especially well, I'm imagine they would especially if people are expecting the HD7900 series to be around 650 Euros each.
Edit:
http://www.techpowerup.com/157041/Radeon-HD-7970-Listed-by-European-Retailer.html
Not quite that much but still significantly more expensive than the GTX580s on sale, which are already the most expensive consumer single GPU cards on the market.
I imagine there will be a decent improvement in performance compared to the HD6950, thanks to the die shrink and refinements to the architecture. Even for low end consumers, its still worth looking at.
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Enthusiasts dont really care about price, thats why we call them enthusiasts. Thats what this Xmas release is all about. All 79xx's are going on sale and those will attract all enthusiasts like a hobo on a ham sandwich. The 78xx's are the midrange line.
With the midrange cards you will see prices go through an obvious self-correction.
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No worries, it's an overpriced site and usually the actual prices will be much lower than the very first ones. expecting 450 euros after tax
Also techpowerup fails at logic, with that kind of pricing the american price would be around 650$
Also the Cypresses came out at 280/380 which were totally unbelievably amazing pricepoints and completely pummeled Nvidia to the ground. They weren't overpriced in the slightest.
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Most of my 90 video cards are Cypresses.
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