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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
August 29 2011 00:04 GMT
#10381
Thanks for the suggestion CuraOh ... I just want to make sure ... my psu should be good enough correct?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 00:08:18
August 29 2011 00:08 GMT
#10382
Depending on the kind of Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign work, I think it's probably worth spending a little more on 2x4GB DDR3 RAM. It's still in the $400 budget.

If you're serious about just low settings, you can change the graphics card to a HD 5570 (about $55), which will handle that easily.

edit: power supply is way overkill for the setups we're looking at
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 00:10:48
August 29 2011 00:10 GMT
#10383
Thanks for the input Myrmidon. Is there an intermediate compromise between the HD 5570 and HD 6770 ($100 after rebate) price/performance-wise?
TT10
Profile Joined August 2011
7 Posts
August 29 2011 00:13 GMT
#10384
so ive found 2 builds, which do you like better and scale from 1-10 how big an upgrade from my current system. 1 being same and 10 being a shit ton better.
CURRENT
+ Show Spoiler +
Processor AMD Athlon II Dual-Core M300 2 GHz
Installed Memory 4 GB (DDR2 SDRAM)
Hard Drive 320 GB Serial ATA, 5400 RPM
Display 15.6 in.
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Weight 5.8 lb.
Processor
Processor Manufacturer AMD
Processor Type AMD Athlon II Dual-Core M300
Processor Speed 2 GHz
Memory
Installed RAM 4 GB
RAM Technology DDR2 SDRAM
Hard Drive
Hard Drive Capacity 320 GB
Hard Drive Rotation Speed 5,400 RPM
Storage Controller Type Serial ATA
CD / DVD
CD / DVD Type DVD±RW Dual Layer/CD-RW
Optical Drive Write Speed 4x (DVD+R DL) • 4x (DVD-R DL)
Optical Drive ReWrite Speed 16x (CD-RW) • 24x (CD-RW) • 8x (DVD+RW) • 8x (DVD-RW) • 6x (DVD-RW) • 5x (DVD-RAM)

Video
Graphic Processor ATI RADEON HD 4200
Operating System
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Technical Features
Expansion Ports 4 x USB 2.0, RJ-45 (NIC)
Special Features
Integrated Video Camera
Networking
Networking Type
Integrated 10/100/1000 Network Card • Integrated Wireless LAN


BUILD 1
+ Show Spoiler +
First off, Phenom II x3 + 6670 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.717173

4GB 1600 RAM (Theres a $5 off coupon on this)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820148419

400w 80+ Bronze Power Supply (Also $5 off code on this)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817815007

Xigmatek ATX Mid tower $30

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811815004

AM3 Motherboard $55

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131669

500GB Hard drive + CD/DVD $54 (Also try this code, it might work EMCKBHE35)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.696137

Finally we got a Coolermaster 212 Plus $28

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835103065


BUILD 2
+ Show Spoiler +
Processor : Intel Core i3 2100 - $124.99
MoBo : ASRock H61M-VS MicroATX LGA1155 - $59.99
RAM : G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - $28.99
Graphics Card : SAPPHIRE 100287L Radeon HD 5670 (Redwood) 512MB 128-bit DDR5 - $62.99
Hard Disk : Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200rpm - $30
Optical Drive : $20
Case : $30 - ATX Mid Tower
Power Supply : Antec Earthwatts Green 380W - $39.99
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 00:19:29
August 29 2011 00:18 GMT
#10385
Your links don't even work in the first build nor did you just save us the hassle and total up the costs. However, the Build 2 is far superior to Build 1, but the i3 is overpriced at $125, you should be able to find it around $99-115 somewhere else.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
August 29 2011 00:23 GMT
#10386
The build i gave you earlier will be much better then these and cost barely more ...

cpu + ram combo 115$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.695726
mobo 50$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138313
antec 300 illusion 60$ -15$ of instant rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066
corsair cx430 v2 40$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
dvd burner + 500 gb 7200 rpm hdd 53.5$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.696167
gtx460 1gb 150$, 120$ after mail in rebates
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133326
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
TT10
Profile Joined August 2011
7 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 00:38:20
August 29 2011 00:30 GMT
#10387
On August 29 2011 09:23 Rachnar wrote:
The build i gave you earlier will be much better then these and cost barely more ...

cpu + ram combo 115$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.695726
mobo 50$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138313
antec 300 illusion 60$ -15$ of instant rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066
corsair cx430 v2 40$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
dvd burner + 500 gb 7200 rpm hdd 53.5$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.696167
gtx460 1gb 150$, 120$ after mail in rebates
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133326


ah ok i totally forgot about that post from jumping forums but that will definitely look into more it but sorry about the links but since they arent as good I suppose it doesnt matter
CuraOh
Profile Joined November 2010
Chile81 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 00:55:40
August 29 2011 00:38 GMT
#10388
On August 29 2011 09:08 Myrmidon wrote:
Depending on the kind of Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign work, I think it's probably worth spending a little more on 2x4GB DDR3 RAM. It's still in the $400 budget.

If you're serious about just low settings, you can change the graphics card to a HD 5570 (about $55), which will handle that easily.

edit: power supply is way overkill for the setups we're looking at

agreed with Myrmidon

there a offer for 39 bucks of this memory

G.SKILL Sniper 8GB DDR3 1333
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231417

this card is in between
SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6670 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102935
$97(15 MIR)

or this
XFX Radeon HD 6750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150541
$110 (20 MIR)

and forgot if wou live near to a microcenter you can find better offer but you need to go there
http://www.microcenter.com/
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
August 29 2011 00:39 GMT
#10389
only the cpu isnt as good but non gaming, but for gaming it equals the best's there are

you can even step up to a hd6870 if you wish, will run most games on ultra (and all games on ultra at medium res)
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
JJGamer
Profile Joined May 2011
United States76 Posts
August 29 2011 03:11 GMT
#10390
Couple of quick questions here:

Should I exchange my Western Digital Caviar Black 3.0Gb/s for the 6.0Gb/s version? Are there any difference in performance between those two that will justify the hassle of exchanging?

Last one, is the Corsair XMS3 RAM any good?

Oh, one more.. is the Razer Lycosa a good keyboard? Any recommendations?

Sorry.. just going down the list of things that I bought and wanna see if I made the right choices.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 03:15:44
August 29 2011 03:15 GMT
#10391
On August 29 2011 12:11 JJGamer wrote:
Couple of quick questions here:

Should I exchange my Western Digital Caviar Black 3.0Gb/s for the 6.0Gb/s version? Are there any difference in performance between those two that will justify the hassle of exchanging?

Last one, is the Corsair XMS3 RAM any good?

Oh, one more.. is the Razer Lycosa a good keyboard? Any recommendations?

Sorry.. just going down the list of things that I bought and wanna see if I made the right choices.


SATA 6Gb/s is a useless gimmick on an HDD, it only helps on some SSDs.

RAM is usually RAM. If you want better memory, going for a low voltage kit is usually the cheapest way to OC it to better performance, but price/performance, high end memory is usually not as good as spending more elsewhere.

Razer Lycosa is good for a rubber dome, it's just the software that's shit. Oh, and the audio and USB passthroughs suck. And it feels flimsy if you take off the wrist rest. And the touchpad media controls will spaz out from finger oil. The non-mirror finish loses the coating on the keys, and the mirror finish requires OCD cleaning. Backlights are nice if you like that, I guess, and turning off the Windows key is useful if you have toddlers or pets? Mind you, it's not bad enough that I've thrown more money out replacing it. It's just not great either, especially at full price.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 03:23:11
August 29 2011 03:22 GMT
#10392
Well, a SATA 6 Gbps hard drive is probably a newer revision and may be more likely to have fewer platters (i.e. slightly better) at a given capacity. It's definitely not worth exchanging over. As noted above, the interface itself makes no difference.
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 03:57:01
August 29 2011 03:40 GMT
#10393
I currently use this system:

CPU: E8400
Motherboard: Asus P5K SE/EPU
Graphics: MSI GTX 460
Memory: 4GB DDR2
Power Supply: (Cooler Master extreme power 460W

I'm looking to upgrade to Sandy Bridge. However, should I buy it now or wait until Ivy Bridge is out? Originally I was using 8800GT graphics card but it died recently and I bought the 460GTX a month ago, so I'm not looking to upgrade that.

Budget: $650 (including tax, but I recently moved to New York and im not sure if tax applies if i buy online from somewhere like newegg)
Resolution: 1920x1080
Usage: Gaming, general usage etc.
Upgrade Cycle: 2+ years
Overclocking: I prefer to figure out how to build the system first and then worry about overclocking
Multiple GPUs: I prefer to stay with my GTX460 and dont plan on upgrading or using SLI
Where I'm buying from: I'm not sure yet, besides newegg whats a good place to buy computer parts in New York?

What I'm planning:
CPU: i5 2500k ($220 ?)
Motherboard: Asus p8p67 deluxe ($220 ? - whats the advantage of getting something cheaper eg: p8p67 pro?)
RAM: G.Skill 2x4GB DDR3 1600 CL9 ($55 ?)
Power Supply: ???

I have enough HDD space so I dont plan on adding more hard drives. However I would like to keep my options available in the future for adding a Blu-ray (i only have 1 optical drive right now) and/or SSD, but I don't want to include this in my 650 budget

With this setup do I need any aftermarket fans? I don't want to overclock yet, but I want to keep that option open. So if i dont need a fan running stock, I prefer not to get it now. With this system, I'm not sure if I need a new case. How do I know if my current case is big enough? (Also keeping in mind my future upgrades like blu-ray/SSD etc)

Looking at my power supply, is that good enough? Do I need to buy a new power supply? Also my knowledge of power supply is lacking. How do I know if a PSU is good or bad?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 03:59:07
August 29 2011 03:46 GMT
#10394
New York has a Microcenter so you could go pick up a core i5 2500k for $180 + tax: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354589

Whether you want to wait for Ivybridge or not (around March) is totally up to you... there's nothing wrong with getting a Sandybridge now and upgrade on the tock cycle (so upgrade to Haswell in 2013 or Skylake in 2015).

P8P67 Pro and Deluxe are for people intending to do SLI. That's about the only important thing that is offered over a standard P8P67 besides having Advanced RMA option and an Intel NIC (P8P67 standard uses a Realtek). You don't need such an expensive board unless you are planning for a multi-GPU configuration or is just trying to waste money ignorantly or trying to achieve a 5GHz+ overclock. Even a $110 board such as the Asrock (sister company of ASUS) P67 Pro3 is a very feature rich board that's capable of 5GHz overclocks: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230

1600MHz memory is a waste of money:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377

8GB of cas9 1333MHz memory should be about $30 to $45.

You don't need an aftermarket heatsink or additional fans if you are not overclocking. You can add additional cooling when you decide to start overclocking.

No, that's a terrible power supply. Coolermaster power supplies are generally terrible. It doesn't have PFC, no 80+ certification, only one PCIe connector (your GTX 460 requires two so you'll using adapters...), and only provides 26a on the 12v rail (a 460w power supply is suppose to provide around 34a on the 12v).

If you're looking for a new non shit power supply, you could look into getting a Antec Neo Eco 520, Antec High Current Gamer 520, Antec Earthwatts 500, or an XFX Core Edition Pro 450 (NOT THE V2). To tell whether a power supply is good or not, you need to look at the internals aka just look at reviews from jonnyguru or hardwaresecrets, etc. (not newegg reviews). Generally, most of Corsair, XFX, Antec, and Seasonic power supplies are good. Power supplies are quite complicated so just ask if you are unsure of its quality.
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
August 29 2011 04:08 GMT
#10395
Are there usually good sales during Labor Day weekend on components?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 29 2011 04:12 GMT
#10396
For Newegg? Not really. Just look at previous year's sales and you'll get an idea, here's last years: http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Aug-0-2010/labordayL34E/index-landing.html
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
August 29 2011 04:12 GMT
#10397
Are newegg prices not good or is there a reason that microcenter's pricing is $40 cheaper?

What P8P67 is more recommended for me? Also, what is the difference between these two and why are they priced so differently?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131701R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131701

Let's say I get sandy bridge now, do i need to be aware of the possibilities that i would have to upgrade my components in the future when ivy bridge comes out? (eg. motherboard)

if i decide on one of those power supplies, would they be able to last me well into the future if i decide to upgrade more?

skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 29 2011 04:16 GMT
#10398
The one at $220 is a brand new retail box. The one at $170 is an open box product which means it was returned by a customer or it was used by Newegg for whatever reason. You're seriously wasting money if you're looking into getting a P8P67 Deluxe or Pro. If you want to remain with ASUS than the P8P67 is recommended: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131705

Ivybridge uses the same LGA1155 socket as Sandybridge. Many motherboards will support it with just a simple BIOS update.

Yes, any of the ones I listed has adequate headroom for upgrades and will last a good five years or more. An overclocked core i5 2500k and GTX 460 configuration will barely exceed 300w if ever fyi.
pey24
Profile Joined August 2011
United States8 Posts
August 29 2011 06:46 GMT
#10399
Hi all, just wanna say thank you for all of your help for my computer build tho ^^
I love it!!!
special thank to skyR ^^
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 07:05:38
August 29 2011 06:58 GMT
#10400
On August 29 2011 13:12 b_unnies wrote:
Are newegg prices not good or is there a reason that microcenter's pricing is $40 cheaper?

What P8P67 is more recommended for me? Also, what is the difference between these two and why are they priced so differently?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131701R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131701

Let's say I get sandy bridge now, do i need to be aware of the possibilities that i would have to upgrade my components in the future when ivy bridge comes out? (eg. motherboard)

if i decide on one of those power supplies, would they be able to last me well into the future if i decide to upgrade more?



Newegg's prices are generally the best for the U.S. Microcenter, however, often beats them for processors or processor/motherboard combos. Why? Dunno, probably microcenter making no profit on processors to get people to buy everything else from them too. Newegg probably out-competes microcenter overall largely through sales tax evasion via buying online. I wonder if Fry's sales will go up after CA's "Amazon" tax law goes into effect.

Anyway... SkyR actually recommended the AsRock P67 Pro3, it's the one he linked in his longer post (~$40-50 less than the Asus one he also mentioned). Why did he recommend the Asrock? Good enough build quality for high overclocks. Does everything you want without extras. For instance, you don't currently want to SLI and it's usually a bad upgrade path - why pay for an extra video card input? But it will still have most of the bells & whistles (USB 3.0, the SATA 6Gb/s ports for SSDs, etc). The difference between the Asus and the Asrock boards are.... uh... 4 instead of 2 SATA 6Gb/s ports (which you almost certainly won't need), 8 instead of 6 USB internal ports (which you almost certainly won't need), and brand name (which some people pay for, despite little benefit). The difference between the more expensive one you mentioned and the Asus/Asrock boards is basically the ability to run SLI/CrossfireX (two video cards at once). Since you want to stick with your current video card, and even if you don't, you don't want SLI, buying the Asus P8P67 Pro or Deluxe would indeed be a waste of money.

Ivybridge compatibility: you should be fine.

SkyR answered the power supply question.
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