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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 05:07:30
August 28 2011 05:06 GMT
#10341
On August 28 2011 13:48 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:
How are HSFs oriented on the cpu socket? 'Cause if this HSF is placed so that it's lengthwise, and reaching towards the RAM slots, then I am sure that it will cover them up, from looking at the images. I can't tell which way it will face by looking at the jacks on the bottom of the HSF, because it uses a 4pin power cable, which might be intended to twist. Can somebody help?


Heatsinks can be mounted in whichever way you desire. It's generally recommended to mount them so that it exhausts out the back and intake from the front since that's how case fans are mounted. You're seriously overthinking this.
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
August 28 2011 05:21 GMT
#10342
On August 28 2011 14:06 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 13:48 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:
How are HSFs oriented on the cpu socket? 'Cause if this HSF is placed so that it's lengthwise, and reaching towards the RAM slots, then I am sure that it will cover them up, from looking at the images. I can't tell which way it will face by looking at the jacks on the bottom of the HSF, because it uses a 4pin power cable, which might be intended to twist. Can somebody help?


Heatsinks can be mounted in whichever way you desire. It's generally recommended to mount them so that it exhausts out the back and intake from the front since that's how case fans are mounted. You're seriously overthinking this.


Oh. Well that simplified like 50 problems I had. I think I'm good for all my parts. Now for finalizing. Here is my entire build:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129085

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150527

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104173

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131713

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115073

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147124


Any thoughts on pricing? How could I cut it down? Here is what I am trying for in power:

I need to be able to record, upload, and possibly stream very demanding games, and run FRAPS and audio programs all simultaneously. It needs to be able to put up with very high amounts of stress easily. With that in mind I want it for the lowest price possible without sacrificing reliability of the parts.
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
August 28 2011 05:31 GMT
#10343
You can get 8 GB of RAM (and a reliable brand) without the hassle of mail in rebate (and cheaper due to less tax).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231308
710+ Posts with a Probe Icon =D
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 28 2011 05:31 GMT
#10344
1600MHz cas9 memory at 1.65v isn't ideal and it's overpriced. It's recommended to run your memory at 1.5v on Sandybridge. Snipers are only $39 right now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231417

$270 for a 6950 1GB? No thanks... Just get a Gigabyte: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125385 or a Sapphire: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102949

If you want lifetime warranty than just pay for an EVGA GTX 560 Ti instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130657

The core i5 2500 and H67 cannot be overclocked so I'm not sure why you were obsessing over an aftermarket heatsink in the first place and I'm not sure why you are even looking at getting one? To overclock, you need a core i5 2500K and a P67 or Z68 motherboard. If you're concerned about noise than you should look at getting a better case first.
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
August 28 2011 05:39 GMT
#10345
On August 28 2011 14:31 skyR wrote:
1600MHz cas9 memory at 1.65v isn't ideal and it's overpriced. It's recommended to run your memory at 1.5v on Sandybridge. Snipers are only $39 right now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231417

$270 for a 6950 1GB? No thanks... Just get a Gigabyte: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125385 or a Sapphire: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102949

If you want lifetime warranty than just pay for an EVGA GTX 560 Ti instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130657

The core i5 2500 and H67 cannot be overclocked so I'm not sure why you were obsessing over an aftermarket heatsink in the first place and I'm not sure why you are even looking at getting one? To overclock, you need a core i5 2500K and a P67 or Z68 motherboard. If you're concerned about noise than you should look at getting a better case first.


Thanks for helping me cut down the price on those two. I'm getting an aftermarket heatsink (and yes, I was aware that the 2500 cannot be overclocked) but because I want my computer to run cool under ludicrous amounts of stress and reasonably quiet, so I can concentrate.

And about the quietness thing, what case would you recommend for quiet case fans?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 28 2011 05:53 GMT
#10346
Fractal Design R3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352002
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 06:14:40
August 28 2011 05:57 GMT
#10347
Well how much do you want to spend on getting your computer quiet?

Now that Antec has decreased the pricing on the Antec P183, there isn't any reason to bother with the Fractal Design R3. The Antec P183, outside of Crossfire builds, is just so much better in just about every single way. I've dealt with both cases, the Fractal Design R3 for a WHS box and the Antec P182 for my main desktop, and there isn't any competition between the two.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
August 28 2011 06:41 GMT
#10348
On August 28 2011 13:15 Myrmidon wrote:
Aren't there still some of the older models out in the wild? Even the Canadian Dell website lists the U2311H, though it says "usually ships: 1-2 weeks"

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=320-9270&dgc=SS&cid=38279&lid=1533102


It depends on where you live I guess. I bought a U2311H last week here in Sweden, and they don't seem to be that hard to find on different sites. They don't seem to have started selling the U2312HM though, I can only find one store that are out of stock with them.
TT10
Profile Joined August 2011
7 Posts
August 28 2011 06:43 GMT
#10349
Hey all my laptop just bit the dust.. Long time lurker, over a year, first time poster and I need some help! So looking to build my first PC, as I don't know much yet as I'm just starting to learn so all advice is welcome. Budget is around $400 which is relatively low since I'm a college student.. But looking to play BF3 or equivalent on any setting really with minimal lag, although if budget allows to crank up the graphics I'm all for it.

Approximate Purchase Date: next 3 months


Budget Range: (approx $400 - $450) After Rebates


System Usage from Most to Least Important: (everyday use, gaming, movies, internet, college work)


Parts Not Required: ( keyboard, mouse, speakers) Mostly everything. This looks like it will be my downfall with no OS or Monitor. Although I can get windows 7 for like $20 at the university luckily, open to used monitors from ebay/used/

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: (newegg.com, ebay)


Country of Origin: (USA)


Parts Preferences: by brand or type (none really, decent case and monitor)


Overclocking: maybe


SLI or Crossfire: maybe


Monitor Resolution: (whichever is best quality for the price, using 1366x768 now)


Additional Comments: (Want quad core but I'm not sure budget allows for it, decent looking case)

Any suggestions or help would be appreciated!
CharlieBrownsc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada598 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 07:04:17
August 28 2011 07:03 GMT
#10350
On August 28 2011 15:43 TT10 wrote:
Hey all my laptop just bit the dust.. Long time lurker, over a year, first time poster and I need some help! So looking to build my first PC, as I don't know much yet as I'm just starting to learn so all advice is welcome. Budget is around $400 which is relatively low since I'm a college student.. But looking to play BF3 or equivalent on any setting really with minimal lag, although if budget allows to crank up the graphics I'm all for it.

Approximate Purchase Date: next 3 months


Budget Range: (approx $400 - $450) After Rebates


System Usage from Most to Least Important: (everyday use, gaming, movies, internet, college work)


Parts Not Required: ( keyboard, mouse, speakers) Mostly everything. This looks like it will be my downfall with no OS or Monitor. Although I can get windows 7 for like $20 at the university luckily, open to used monitors from ebay/used/

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: (newegg.com, ebay)


Country of Origin: (USA)


Parts Preferences: by brand or type (none really, decent case and monitor)


Overclocking: maybe


SLI or Crossfire: maybe


Monitor Resolution: (whichever is best quality for the price, using 1366x768 now)


Additional Comments: (Want quad core but I'm not sure budget allows for it, decent looking case)

Any suggestions or help would be appreciated!


A) 400-450 is pretty low if you need a monitor+computer, expecting to play BF3, you're going to be playing in 1364X764 most likely, I recently built a system for my brother for ~$550 (including monitor and OS) that could run sc2 on ultra @1080p, so if you could up your budget by 100-150 dollars, it'd go a long way

B) If you're planning on building in 3 months, come back in 3 months, prices will have dropped by then, and you'll be able to take advantage of weekly sales
SC2 ID: CharlieBrown.318, #1 bitbybit.Prime fan
Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
August 28 2011 08:04 GMT
#10351
That'll be down to $320-370 after a cheap screen. While you get playable framerates on most games with that budget (even at 1920x1080 if we do this right), you'll not be getting much beyond low settings. That said, with a three month build window we can hit Black Friday deals if you live in the US, and that might just get the build a significant boost.
edzwoo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States469 Posts
August 28 2011 10:02 GMT
#10352
Quick bump for my friend:

On August 25 2011 17:33 Jas0n wrote:
Requesting a build/upgrade. I don't know too much about computers, my friend helped me build my current one. Would want something that allows me to run games like Witcher 2 on max settings or near max settings on 2048 x 1152.

Currently using

E8400
9800 GT
2 x 2GB DDR2
Antec Earthwatts EA500
Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
ATX mid tower case,

What is your budget?
Would prefer to spend around $1k but can go higher if extra performance is worth the money.

What is your resolution?
2048 x 1152

What are you using it for?
Gaming

What is your upgrade cycle?
3-4 years

When do you plan on building it?
As Soon As Possible

Do you plan on overclocking?
Don't know anything about overclocking but yes, if possible. Have roommates that can help.

Do you need an Operating System?
No

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Yes, if you guys think it's worth the money

Where are you buying your parts from?
Everything Online, U.S.

Would also like a 60 GB SSD if someone can recommend one

Thanks a lot for your help

Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
August 28 2011 10:16 GMT
#10353
@TT10

cpu + ram combo 115$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.695726

mobo 50$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138313

antec 300 illusion 60$ -15$ of instant rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066

corsair cx430 v2 40$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

dvd burner + 500 gb 7200 rpm hdd 53.5$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.696167

gtx460 1gb 150$, 120$ after mail in rebates
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133326

for pure gaming this will be plenty enough, you can step down to a gts450
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134119
if you wish toi save a bit more money, but wont max bf3 i guess, the gtx460 my guess is will at such a resolution
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
seve
Profile Joined February 2011
91 Posts
August 28 2011 10:47 GMT
#10354
Hi you all,

I'm in search for help and suggestions for a computer build for my little brother. His Notebook just bit the dust...
Please note that we won't necessarily built the computer on our own, because I'm living too far away and my brother does not have any experience building a computer (so he might buy an already built system, which would shorten the budget i guess). Whats important to me is to not create a huge bottleneck, because I do not have the knowledge to avoid that


Budget: Maximum 800 €, but he needs an OS (100€) and a monitor (ASUS-VW228N; 110€)

Resolution: 1920x1080 (but 1680x1050 is OK too)

Use: Mostly gaming and office

Upgrade cycle: 3+ years

Plan on buying: As soon as possible

Overclocking: No

OS: Yes (mentioned above)

SLI/Crossfire: No

Additional information: He needs a network adapter, because he needs to have WLAN

Where to buy: http://geizhals.at/

Thanks in advance!
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
August 28 2011 10:59 GMT
#10355
http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=48897&agid=1725

here's a relativly good prebuilt pc, doesn't have the best gpu but it's still very decent

are you sure he can't build it ? it's easy and it saves money
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
seve
Profile Joined February 2011
91 Posts
August 28 2011 11:49 GMT
#10356
Mhm..., maybe he could get a friend to build it.
Could you also suggest a build for this possibility?

Also, what do you think of this prebuild PC compared to the one you posted (With network adapter the costs are the same): http://www.tec-direkt.de/PC-Systeme/AMD-Systeme/AMD-PhenomII-X4-940-ULTRA.html

Thanks a lot for your help!
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
August 28 2011 11:57 GMT
#10357
dont have the time to do a build right now but that cpu isnt as good as the i5-2500k, the hd6870 is better obviously

personally i'd go with the better cpu
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Pharax
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada62 Posts
August 28 2011 12:51 GMT
#10358
skyR, WWW, Mym, Hell (and anyone I might forget), thanks a lot. That build awesome build is presently being reviewed for price matching and it should arrive at home in a few days. I'll assemble it and let you know how awesomely it runs ASAP.

Pharax.
Always forgive your enemies ; nothing annoys them so much!
spybreak
Profile Joined October 2010
United States684 Posts
August 28 2011 12:51 GMT
#10359
Since I know there is a good amount of us that followed Skyr's setup: i5200k, asrockpro p67, CM Hyper plus 212, 8 gigs at 1333 speed. I am curious as to what is your highest Overclock that is stable and what the settings did you guys used. I think I got it stabled at 4.4 after 2 hours of prime95 but I'll just leave that running for 4 hours or so.
Pharax
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada62 Posts
August 28 2011 12:59 GMT
#10360
I'll tell you that in a few days :D
Always forgive your enemies ; nothing annoys them so much!
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