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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
August 28 2011 02:50 GMT
#10321
I checked the compatibility of my parts. The mobo has PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot. The Graphics card is a PCI Express 2.1 x16 slot. Are they not compatible? Will the full power of the card not be used?
spybreak
Profile Joined October 2010
United States684 Posts
August 28 2011 03:01 GMT
#10322
I would like to thank everyone(Skyr, Myr, Jingle comes to mind) who helped me out in picking the parts for my PC and for giving out some knowledge nuggets on the topic of computer hardware.

The PC I built is now up and running, all drivers installed, and updated windows and all that good stuff. I plan on OCing it tomorrow, I just want a 4.4 ghz 24/7 OCed machine so it shouldn't be that hard. Thanks again fellas!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 28 2011 03:25 GMT
#10323
On August 28 2011 11:13 Pharax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Plans have changed. Old computer died yesterday.

What is your budget?
$1400 Canadian.

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?
This computer is going to be both my working station and gaming station. And by working, I mean heavy photography work.

First priority : The likes of Photoshop and Lightroom have to run very smoothly. That is my absolute, no-compromise priority. I rely on that to earn part of my food.

Second priority : gaming at high / ultra settings.

Third priority : Streaming (starcraft 2 for certain. Maybe photoshop, but not important anymore).

What is your upgrade cycle?
This one is going to be a bit funky. Due to sudden change of plans, I am going to leave the country (along with the computer) in autumn 2012, for 6 months . That means i'm probably looking for a sweet-spot build centered around the i5 2500k and upgrade some pieces in the year following my return. Does that sound like a good idea?


When do you plan on building it?
ASAP. I am torn between ordering the parts before august 31 (seems like alot of awesome discounts end that day), or will september make them drop even further?


Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes. Nothing too crazy, but yes. Might as well get the most out of this sweetspot build.

Do you need an Operating System?
No, that's about the only thing I have already.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No.

Where are you buying your parts from?
Probably NCIX since it seems to widely used in canada. I don't really mind. All I want is the lowest price for the parts I pick (I hear NCIX has price matching policy).

IMPORTANT EXTRA INFORMATION :
This is a COMPLETE build. and by complete I mean I will need BOTH a new case and a new monitor (planning to add a second monitor in the future). The case doesn't have to be a super flashy gamer thing with hazard lights, wings and a jetpack. I want something solid, reliable and efficient. A side window is a plus (let's face it, it's damn nice), but not a priority at all.

Thanks in advance for the help


Here's a configuration that totals to $884 before mail in rebates, leaving you with roughly $500 for an IPS panel:

You can replace the HAF 912 with whatever case with a side window you want. Can't think of any decent cases with side windows besides the Antec Nine Hundred, Corsair 650D, and some of the higher end Silverstone cases like the Raven or TJ series.

You can get the 120gb variant SSD instead if you think you'll need more space on the boot drive for all the software. The same can be said for the HDD, you can get a Caviar Green if it's just going to be used for storage or a bigger Caviar Blue if you need it for speed as well.

Both Photoshop and Lightroom use hyperthreading to some extent so you may consider a core i7 2600k instead, pricematch to $300 ( http://www.microcad.ca/products/details/Intel-Core-i7-i7-2600K-3.40-GHz-Processor-Socket-H2-LGA-1155-1018401411 ) : http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57960 and get the same MSI P67 G43 motherboard for $125: http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=59095&promoid=1367

Intel Core i5 2500k & MSI P67 G43 Bundle @ $325 ($300 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60177&promoid=1367

Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti @ $227 ($197 after mail in rebate) (pricematch with http://infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=456025 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58366&promoid=1367

Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $50 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC0700 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55583

XFX Core Edition 450 @ $51 ($36 after mail in rebate) (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC3542 )
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=63238

Mushkin 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $40 ($35 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55544&promoid=1367

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $40 (pricematch with http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7281716 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58402

Crucial M4 64GB @ $110 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11230DR4284 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60444

DVD Burner @ $17 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/225965/DRW-24B1ST Bulk/ASUS/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=49597

Coolermaster Hyper 212+ @ $24 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=1946101809P )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=41337


On August 28 2011 11:50 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:
I checked the compatibility of my parts. The mobo has PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot. The Graphics card is a PCI Express 2.1 x16 slot. Are they not compatible? Will the full power of the card not be used?


2.1 and 2.0 is backwards and forward compatible. Both are identical in terms of speed. 2.1 just contains some of the newer management / support / troubleshooting stuff that is to be implemented in PCI-E 3.0.
Pharax
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada62 Posts
August 28 2011 03:51 GMT
#10324
That is awesome, can't thank you enough. As for the case, let's forget about the side window. I love the case you recommended, with the only exeption of it having only 2 usb ports, do you have one in mind that has more ports?
Always forgive your enemies ; nothing annoys them so much!
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 28 2011 03:54 GMT
#10325
On August 28 2011 12:51 Pharax wrote:
That is awesome, can't thank you enough. As for the case, let's forget about the side window. I love the case you recommended, with the only exeption of it having only 2 usb ports, do you have one in mind that has more ports?


How many devices do you plan to plug into the front? The rest of your USB ports will be either on the mobo, or expansion cards connected to extra mobo headers.

The ones listed for the case are just the ones on the front panel.
Pharax
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada62 Posts
August 28 2011 03:56 GMT
#10326
Oh lol, nevermind that. I forgot about that.
Always forgive your enemies ; nothing annoys them so much!
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 28 2011 03:57 GMT
#10327
Happens. I only ever seem to need one front panel USB myself at any given time. Digital camera or mp3 players are the main things people tend to need them for.
SpankyYo
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15 Posts
August 28 2011 04:03 GMT
#10328
Hey guys, I am looking to build a computer and was hoping someone could suggest a build for me. I have some parts in mind but I would like to compare what I have to what someone who has more knowledge than I do would pick.

What is your budget?
My budget is $1200 max(including a monitor). I would love to go cheaper than that though if possible.

What is your resolution?
1920 x 1080 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236117 I am looking at this monitor right now.

What are you using it for?
Gaming mainly. I would like to run basically any game at max settings without a problem. Don't know if that's possible with my budget though.

What is your upgrade cycle?
I hope to not be upgrading for a very long time.

When do you plan on building it?
September

Do you plan on overclocking?
No.

Do you need an operating system?
Yes. Windows 7 obviously.

Do you plan to add a second gpu?
No. I am hoping to just get a single gpu and the cheapest one possible that will still perform very well.

Where are you buying your parts from?
I am hoping to buy my parts from newegg.com but if there are better deals elsewhere, that's where I'll go.

Other info: Case appearance doesn't matter to me at all. I want the best parts for best price obviously. Like I said earlier, I want to be able to run games smoothly at max settings. I appreciate any help with this immensely.

Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
August 28 2011 04:04 GMT
#10329
On August 28 2011 12:57 JingleHell wrote:
Happens. I only ever seem to need one front panel USB myself at any given time. Digital camera or mp3 players are the main things people tend to need them for.


I've used all 8 of my back panel ones and am being really stressed for more. Does anyone have any recommendations for extra ports or do all of them work the same?
There is no one like you in the universe.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 04:10:05
August 28 2011 04:05 GMT
#10330
USB flash drives are #1 IMHO for things plugged into front panel USB ports (also USB external hard drives). 4 ports in the front are conceivably useful I guess.

A cheaper monitor with decent enough color accuracy, viewing angles, and gaming performance (well, response time, potential RTC errors, input lag) would be the eIPS Dell Ultrasharp U2311H. It's about $250. There are other options too. Some of the more expensive IPS and especially PVA panels may actually be a little bit distractingly slow for gaming, but there are definitely other alternatives that should be okay.

edit: ah yeah U2412M is fine for gaming as well, and is that nice 1920x1200.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2412m.htm
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 04:07:39
August 28 2011 04:05 GMT
#10331
Benefits from hyperthreading in both Lightroom and Photoshop are absolutely minimal. Its not threaded in the sense that ALL tasks are threaded, only very specific tasks are and the most you'll get out of it is like 10% extra performance...? The i5 2500k is more than enough, especially if you overclock it.

Antec One Hundred should be similarly priced and it comes with 4 USB 2.0 ports, if you want more front panel ports.

About the monitor, I wouldn't any get one of those cheapass Asus or LG monitors from Newegg because they're all not fantastic and returning bad IPS panels to Newegg is probably a major pain. I think the best work monitor out right now is the Dell U2412M for $400. It uses 6 bit + A-FRC but Dell's application of this is good enough that you shouldn't notice any real difference between it and a true 8 bit panel.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 04:07:43
August 28 2011 04:06 GMT
#10332
On August 28 2011 13:04 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:57 JingleHell wrote:
Happens. I only ever seem to need one front panel USB myself at any given time. Digital camera or mp3 players are the main things people tend to need them for.


I've used all 8 of my back panel ones and am being really stressed for more. Does anyone have any recommendations for extra ports or do all of them work the same?


Well, frankly, just use what you have headers for, and cheapest name brand. Name brand for build quality, mostly. Wouldn't want a USB expansion card to wiggle.

Curiosity... what do you have running off USB right now?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 28 2011 04:07 GMT
#10333
On August 28 2011 13:04 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:57 JingleHell wrote:
Happens. I only ever seem to need one front panel USB myself at any given time. Digital camera or mp3 players are the main things people tend to need them for.


I've used all 8 of my back panel ones and am being really stressed for more. Does anyone have any recommendations for extra ports or do all of them work the same?


I'd just get a USB hub TBH, no point in getting an expansion card for that. I don't think all ~8 of your USB devices are simultaneously maxing out the USB interface speeds, right? If a lot of them are low power device, you may be able to get away with a hub without its own dedicated power cord.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 28 2011 04:09 GMT
#10334
Eh, hubs... I've always considered those more of a laptop convenience thing than a desktop thing. But then, I use so few USB devices that I never seem to come anywhere near using what I have available.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 04:18:54
August 28 2011 04:10 GMT
#10335
The U2311H doesn't exist anymore. Its the U2312HM now, which is probably the same thing but with LED backlighting. Can't see if its 6 bit + A-FRC or just 6 bit but I can't see why it wouldn't be 6 bit + A-FRC. Either way, unless you need to print pitch perfect material it shouldn't really matter because most people can't tell the difference.

\/\/\/\/\/

Dunno, Australia seems to have discontinued it. Anyway you might as well get the new one just for the LED backlighting. Yeah. CCFL theoretically should provide better panel uniformity but the lower power draw and probably better contrast of LED backlighting is worth it.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 04:16:01
August 28 2011 04:15 GMT
#10336
Aren't there still some of the older models out in the wild? Even the Canadian Dell website lists the U2311H, though it says "usually ships: 1-2 weeks"

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=320-9270&dgc=SS&cid=38279&lid=1533102

Anyway, probably not all gone by now.

http://www.computervalley.ca/UltraSharpU2311H/N0WV7/Dell_UltraSharp_U2311H_23inch_Widescreen_Flat_Panel_Display

but yeah, the newer models are probably easier to find now. I'm still living in the past and forgot they were on xxx2 now.
dense12
Profile Joined March 2011
United States40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 04:21:42
August 28 2011 04:18 GMT
#10337
What is your budget?

$900 USD

What is your resolution?
1600x900
What are you using it for?
Gaming,gaming,gaming

What is your upgrade cycle?
3+ years at a time.

When do you plan on building it?
Within 2 months.

Do you plan on overclocking?
Not really. I'm not educated enough on it to feel safe doing it honestly.

Do you need an Operating System?
Nope

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Nah, one good single card is alright for now. Unless, it's a better idea to front the money now with my upgrade cycle the way it is now.

Where are you buying your parts from?
USA. So newegg or equivalent

Extra:
Case is needed. No need for fancy lights or whatever. But I want it to look nice

Thanks in advance
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
August 28 2011 04:24 GMT
#10338
I'm just confused at which hub or card I should get.

I have a mouse, keyboard, external dac, printer, printer, scanner, ipod charger and ipod shuffle charger. So I've run out of space to put my hefty external hard drive so it's plugged in the front. I'll also be getting a portable external hard drive in the future and maybe some other stuff. I'm very happy I got an 8 usb port motherboard.

So any generic usb hub should work fine?
There is no one like you in the universe.
Boblhead
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2577 Posts
August 28 2011 04:43 GMT
#10339
On August 28 2011 13:24 Blisse wrote:
I'm just confused at which hub or card I should get.

I have a mouse, keyboard, external dac, printer, printer, scanner, ipod charger and ipod shuffle charger. So I've run out of space to put my hefty external hard drive so it's plugged in the front. I'll also be getting a portable external hard drive in the future and maybe some other stuff. I'm very happy I got an 8 usb port motherboard.

So any generic usb hub should work fine?


yes, any usb hub will do fine, I have like 2 hubs with a total of like 8 ports so 4 on each, and they both work fine.

USB POWERED FAN FTW!
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
August 28 2011 04:48 GMT
#10340
How are HSFs oriented on the cpu socket? 'Cause if this HSF is placed so that it's lengthwise, and reaching towards the RAM slots, then I am sure that it will cover them up, from looking at the images. I can't tell which way it will face by looking at the jacks on the bottom of the HSF, because it uses a 4pin power cable, which might be intended to twist. Can somebody help?
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