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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Coolermaster Hyper TX3, or Scythe Mugen 2. @Melancholia The 4th pin on the fan header is for fan control. If there is no fan plugged into the cpu fan header, most motherboards won't start or will display a warning during boot-up regarding a missing CPU fan. There's nothing wrong with interchanging a 3pin and 4pin fan header. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 29 2011 02:56 Melancholia wrote: Well son of a bitch, I'm an idiot. The CPU fan *wasn't* spinning. Plugged it into the system fan slot and it started running just fine, about 35C. Though out of curiousity, is there likely to be any impact having a four-pronged fan connector in a 3-prong slot? What's that fourth prong for? Also, should I be concerned that the fan doesn't run in he CPU fan slot? Nah, 4th pin is just a ground, as long as you aren't doing anything retarded inside your case, you should be fine. Check your BIOS PC health status to configure the fan control. @skyR, I thought the 4th pin was the ground? Or am I thinking backwards on the header/connector? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
But then, I have to change it in BIOS for it to work that way, maybe my motherboard is smarter than me... | ||
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Bambipwnsu
Canada698 Posts
Needless to say it was pretty fail from NCIX. Anyways there was also some other fails which i documented with pictures and that I have yet to (be not lazy) and b@tch at NCIX for. lol /endrant | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On June 29 2011 03:16 JingleHell wrote: Ground is the one that gets thrown out on a 3 pin connector, I thought... my Tricool on my CPU cooler is a 3pin, going to the mobo CPU header with 4 pins, and it's controlled, but no ground. But then, I have to change it in BIOS for it to work that way, maybe my motherboard is smarter than me... A 3pin header has ground (black), voltage (red or yellow), and monitor. | ||
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
I'm on a laptop now since my computer died and I'm getting sick of playing on it. I'm not the smartest guy when it comes to computers. In fact im probably the dumbest  But none the less, i'm need need of a new computer so I was hopeing someone here could help me. ---------- I live in USA Budget is around 700-800 dollars. (Maybe flexible a bit) Hopeing to make a computer that can run sc2 at some of the highest settings without hitting any lag, aswell as haveing other things open at the same time. (Playlists for music, a stream or 2, etc.) ---------- Thanks in advance for anyone who helps  | ||
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
On June 29 2011 03:09 skyR wrote: @Melancholia The 4th pin on the fan header is for fan control. If there is no fan plugged into the cpu fan header, most motherboards won't start or will display a warning during boot-up regarding a missing CPU fan. There's nothing wrong with interchanging a 3pin and 4pin fan header. Well, I'm posting from the computer so clearly the motherboard didn't put up a fuss. Thanks for putting my mind at ease though. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
You didn't mention whether you needed an operating system or not and whether you will be overclocking or not. Since you said you're not the smartest when it comes to computers, I'll assume you won't be overclocking and will be needing an operating system. Here's a configuration capable of playing Starcraft II on high at 1080p and stream for $789 before mail in rebates: Intel Core i5 2400 @ $190 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074 MSI Radeon HD6850 Cyclone @ $170 ($150 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127576 Asrock H61M U3S3 @ $75 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236 Corsair CX430 V2 @ $45 ($35 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026 GSkill 1333MHz 2x4GB @ $65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424 Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $60 ($50 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 Samsung Spinpoint F3 @ $65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 DVD Burner @ $19 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289 Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
http://www.allpinouts.org/index.php/Motherboard_(CPU)_4_Pin_Fan @FryktSkyene: edit: late, but this was mostly just copy+paste anyway + Show Spoiler [build] + Core i5-2400 and Rosewill Blackbone - $222 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.669544 AsRock H61M-VS - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241 Mushkin 2 x 2GB DDR3 RAM - $35 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146748 Gigabyte GTX 560 - $190, $170 AMIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125383 Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073 Samsung CD / DVD burner - $19 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151233 Antec Earthwatts Green 430D - $45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371034 | ||
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Zepish
Canada160 Posts
I'm trying to build a computer, wich I'll buy in around 1 month when I get the money to do so. My total budget will be around 1000$ including the screen, so that probably means around 800$ for the computer itself. I live in Montreal, Canada, I think I will order from NCIX.com, it has been recommended by a lot of my friends. I'll be using my computer to game, but shouldnt be the priority. I want to be able to run SC2, And recent games but not necessarily at the highest quality setting. I'm programming a lot, and design websites, so I also use Photoshop often. As I'm a total noob, I don't plan to overclock my computer, except maybe if you guys really recommend so. I dont need an OS, I will be using Ubuntu mostly, and I already have Windows 7 at home. I'm not too sure about Crossfire/SLI so I would need help about that too. I think thats pretty much it! Hope you guys can help, I'm a bit lost in all that hardware! Thanks a lot, | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Probably you're looking at something like an i5-2400, socket 1155 motherboard (a cheaper one, H61/H67), HD 6850 (or GTX 460/560 or something like that), 8GB DDR3 RAM, SSD, HDD, optical drive, 380W PSU, case. | ||
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Zepish
Canada160 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 29 2011 05:28 Zepish wrote: Thanks I'll look into those, is 8GB over kill ? I see a lot of people suggesting getting more that 4GB is useless... 8GB is a good idea, but cutting to 4 is a great way to shave some money without costing yourself actual performance, just multitasking ability. You can always add another 4GB of RAM, but half a video card or CPU is a bit trickier. | ||
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
On their website they list the types of ram that work with it : http://www.asrock.com/mb/memory.asp?Model=P67 Pro3 ) and I'm having a hard time finding ram on the website I plan buying on. The rams in CP9 and 1333Mhz you recommend I can find on the site are all here : http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Composants/24-Barrettes-Memoires/1812-Memoires-DDR3.htm?fa[]=IT_MEMORY_CAPACITY:523&fa[]=IT_MEMORY_TYPE:1537&fa[]=IT_MEMORY_CAS_LATENCY:1538&pma= Is there really nothing in there that will work with the Asrock? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Overclocking is so easy these days so you might as well do it. Canadian pricing is also ridiculously low in comparison to the states for some odd reason. Here's an overclockable configuration capable of playing most games on reasonably high settings at 1080p and streaming for $802 before mail in rebateas: Intel Core i5 2500k @ $210 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12200BD1527 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57962 EVGA GTX 560 Ti -AR @ $244 ($214 after mail in rebate) (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11610BD1412 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58347 Gigabyte Z68MA D2H @ $115 (pricematched with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11830BD5085 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61004 GSkill Ripjaws X 1333MHz 2x4GB @ $61 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380BD8579 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57950 XFX Core Edition Pro 450w @ $47 ($37 after mail in rebate) (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15180AC2804 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59614 Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $35 (pricematch with http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?&item_id=036109 ) http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=58402 Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $49 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/230752/COOLERMASTER/RC_912_KKN1/ ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55583 Coolermaster Hyper 212+ @ $22 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC8843 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=41337 DVD Burner @ $19 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/234763/GH24NS70/LG Electronics/ ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60857 @NeonFox Any DDR3 kit will work with the motherboard. The ones on Asrock's list and any other manufacturer's list has just been tested to work with the board. Motherboard manufacturers can't go testing the thousands of different memory kits. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Depending on how much you care about color accuracy for working on websites--though granted, people looking at them are going to be doing it primarily on TN panels--spending like $280 on the monitor for one of those eIPS panels and cutting slightly back on something or extending the budget slightly may be a good idea. edit: I think getting an SSD for loading applications (Photoshop, Visual Studio, other IDEs?), holding scratch space for programming/compiling, etc., will make more of an impact than overclocking the CPU for that kind of work. | ||
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Zepish
Canada160 Posts
I think getting an SSD for loading applications (Photoshop, Visual Studio, other IDEs?), holding scratch space for programming/compiling, etc., will make more of an impact than overclocking the CPU for that kind of work. SSD is kind of expensive! Is it useless to go for the cheap ones ? Or just having some kind of SSD will already be good enough? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
 Um, how expensive it will be depends on how much space you need. Ideally you'd want Ubuntu, Windows, whatever applications you use commonly on both, and whatever programming projects/files you are working on, on the SSD. Games can go on mechanical storage as can all types of data. How much space do you need in Linux? Most modern SSDs are good enough, as in the difference between the cheaper SSDs and top SSDs is much smaller than the difference between fast mechanical storage and the cheaper SSDs. Maybe look at an Intel 320 80GB for about $160? With the kinds of parts I listed, no CPU overclocking, and a $180 monitor or so, that fits into a $1000 budget. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
If you don't want to overclock or want to lower the total further, you can step down to a H61 / H67 motherboard which are around $80, step down to a core i5 2400 which is around $180, and remove the Hyper 212+. This would take roughly $70 off the total. You can find 1TB HDDs for around $50 - $70 depending on the brand and line you'd prefer. If you don't want to deal with mail in rebates, you can get a Corsair CX430 for $40 instead of the XFX power supply. The Corsair CX430 also sometimes goes on sale for $30 or $35 as well. | ||
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