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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 14:57:42
July 20 2013 14:57 GMT
#31781
On July 20 2013 23:53 Infernal_dream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 20:46 iTzSnypah wrote:
i5-3570 & Sapphire 7870 $385.98 ($15MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1355682

I would personally go:
i5-3570 & EVGA GTX 660 $400.98 ($20MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1355401

And go with the CX430M as GTX 660s only require 1 6pin connector. It's $10 more than going CX500M 7870 i5 for around the same performance though.

E: That motherboard will not fit in that case.


Why a 660 when 770's are the same price and better?


660's are $200... 770's are $400. They have never been in the same price tier.
poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 16:37:51
July 20 2013 15:03 GMT
#31782
On July 20 2013 21:23 MisterFred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 08:37 poor newb wrote:
building new computer from scratch, looking for most bang for buck, thanks in advance

What is your budget?
~$1500 USD with monitor and speaker, willing to pay more if the extra money is worth it

+ Show Spoiler +
What is your resolution?
1920x1080 single monitor, will consider adding second monitor in the future

What are you using it for?
gaming

What is your upgrade cycle?
maybe in 4-5 years

When do you plan on building it?
very soon

Do you plan on overclocking?
willing to try

Do you need an Operating System?
no

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
maybe when upgrading in the future

Where are you buying your parts from?
sites that sell and ship to US


i5-4670k - $235
Gigabyte z87x-d3h - $137
HR-02 Macho - $53
Sapphire 7950 - $270
Kingston HyperX Black 2x4gb - $57
Bit Fenix Ghost - $70
XFX Core 550w - $56
Samsung 840 256gb - $165
Seagate Barracuda 2TB - $90
DVD-burner - $15

SubTotal: $1150

+ Show Spoiler +

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=81327&vpn=BX80646I54670K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1311
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=84040&vpn=GA-Z87X-D3H&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1311
http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Macho-Support-Socket-Driver/dp/B009MS326U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1374317921&sr=8-1&keywords=hr-02 macho
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104387
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=73006&vpn=BFC-GHO-300-KKN1-RP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1311
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59615&vpn=P1550SXXB9&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1311
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77211&vpn=MZ-7TD250BW&manufacture=Samsung Memory & Storage&promoid=1311
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=66010&vpn=ST2000DM001&manufacture=Others&promoid=1311
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289


You might notice there's a ton of sales above. Next week the same configuration might be a bit more expensive. Continuing on the theme, us.ncix.com has a pretty good deal for a Benq xl2420t monitor right now @ $300. The xl2420t is a 24" 1920x1080 120hz monitor (w/o speakers if I remember correctly). Alternatively you could go for one of the best 1920x1080 60hz options: the ASUS mx239h @ $228. A 23" 1920x1080 IPS monitor (w/speakers), the mx239h is going to have an excellent display but isn't capable of 120hz. Then again, if you were planning on getting a bigger, seriously expensive monitor later (not sure what you meant by considering adding a second monitor in the future) or just didn't want to spend as much money, you can still get a high-quality screen an a BenQ gw2450hm $160. A 24" 1920x1080 A-MVA (similar to IPS in that it's better than your average cheap TN monitor) 60hz monitor w/speakers.

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=66305&vpn=XL2420T&manufacture=BenQ&promoid=1311
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236310
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=69380&vpn=GW2450HM&manufacture=BenQ&promoid=1311

Totals:
w/BenQ xl2420t: $1450 (no speakers in this build)
w/ASUS mx239h: $1380 (speakers in monitor)
w/BenQ gw2450hm: $1310 (speakers in monitor)

The processor is basically as good as it gets for gaming. I selected the overclocking version (with associated motherboard & CPU cooler), so you can get the extra performance if you want to put in the time to do so (basically $100 extra cost). Because of your budget I've chosen fairly high quality components (you could go cheaper with a bit less luxury but no real loss in basic functionality). You could get a stronger video card (a 7970 should be $350), but a 7950 is already quite high-end and I wanted to make sure you had room for quality monitor & speakers.

The only reason I see you might want to go over your budget is to fit in a 27" 2560x1440 monitor, but for that you'd have to go over by more than a little bit.


what's a good 27" 2560x1440 monitor for this?
can I swap the 7950 with a gtx 760 instead?
How do you mine minerals?
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 17:13:24
July 20 2013 17:11 GMT
#31783
Hey guys, going to buy a new computer in a week or so, i'll buy it prebuilt but can customize the parts (please don't stone me ) I checked the price of having them put it together for me vs buying all parts separate, and the price difference is negligible. not to mention they give 3 years waranty on the computer as a whole, so if something is wrong they can figure out what it is and how to fix it.) Anyway as I said its customizeable, so ill post the parts I am going for here, with potential alternatives and the price difference in spoilers.

Budget is flexible, Resolution is 1920x1080 Going to run 2 screens using DVI cables (Not sure about screens, I am considering going BenQ 24" LED GL2460? And odds are I will also have 1 tv 30-40" hooked up to the computer with HDMI, for watching movies\playing gamepad games etc Using it for gaming, potentially video encoding\photoshop etc, might also decide to try out streaming. Anyway on to the parts.

The prices are how much more they cost than the original part, and they are in NOK (1 USD = about 6 NOK.) My budget is flexible in the sense that I could theoretically go for all the most expensive parts suggested here at least, but obviously if i can get pretty much same performance for cheaper thats better.


Cabinet:

Corsair Carbide 300R Midi Tower OEM ATX, mATX, 2x USB 2.0


+ Show Spoiler +
Corsair Carbide 200R Midi Tower Sort Vifter: 1x 140mm Front, 1x 120mm Bak, mATX, ATX, 2x USB 3.0 +184.53
Corsair Carbide 300R Midi Tower Sort Vifter: 1x 140mm Front, 1x 120mm Bak, mATX, ATX, 2x USB 3.0 +234.90



PSU:

Cooler Master GX Lite 500W PSU ATX 12V V2.3, Standard, 1x 4+4 CPU, 1x Floppy, 2x 6+2pin PCIe, 6x SATA, 2x Molex
+ Show Spoiler +
XFX ProSeries Core Edition 550W PSU ATX 12V V2.31, 80 Plus Bronze, Standard, 1x 6pin PCIe, 1x 6+2pin PCIe, 6x SATA207.22

XFX ProSeries Core Edition 650W PSU ATX 12V V2.31, 80 Plus Bronze, Standard, 2x 6pin PCIe, 2x 6+2pin PCIe, 8x SATA +401.56


Silver Power SP-SS500 500W PSU ATX 12V V2.2, 80 Plus, Standard, 1x 6pin+1x 6+2pin PCIe, 6× SATA, 6x Molex +93.38

Silver Power SP-S650 650W PSU ATX 12V V2.3, 80 Plus Bronze, Standard, 4x 6+2pin PCIe, 14x SATA, 7x Molex +366.51

Silver Power SP-S650M 650W PSU ATX 12V V2.3, 80 Plus Bronze, Modular, 4x 6+2pin PCIe, 8x SATA, 5x Molex +477.08

Corsair CX 500M, 500W PSU ATX 12V V2.3, 80 Plus Bronze, Modular. 2x 6+2pin PCIe, 5x SATA, 4x Molex+103.09

Corsair CX 500W PSU ATX 12V V2.3, 80 Plus Bronze , Standard. 2x 6+2pin PCIe, 5x SATA, 4x Molex+160.54

Corsair CX 600M, 600W PSU ATX 12V V2.3, 80 Plus Bronze, Modular. 2x 6+2pin PCIe, 6x SATA, 4x Molex+285.23


Processor:

Intel Core i7-2700K Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.5GHz, 8MB, 95W, HD3000, Boxed w/fan
+ Show Spoiler +
Intel Core i5-3330 Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.0GHz, 6MB, 77W, HD2500, Boxed w/fan-582.61
Intel Core i5-3570K Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.4GHz, 6MB, 77W, HD4000, Boxed w/fan -205.74
Intel Core i7-3770K Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.5GHz, 8MB, 77W, HD4000, Boxed w/fan+651.51


Motherboard:

MSI B75MA-P45, Socket-1155 m-ATX, B75, DDR3, 1xG3-PCIe-x16, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.0, VGA, DVI, UEFI
+ Show Spoiler +
MSI Z77A-G43, Socket-1155 ATX, Z77, DDR3, 1xG3+1xG2-PCIe-x16, CFX, VGA, DVI, HDMI, UEFI +359.16


Ram:

Kingston DDR3 HyperX 1600MHz 8GB Kit w/2X HyperX Genesis 4GB DDR3, CL9-9-9-27, 240pin
+ Show Spoiler +
rucial DDR3 1333MHz 8GB KIT, CL9 Kit w/two matched DDR3 4GB, 240pin +39.80

Corsair XMS3 1600MHz 8GB KIT CL9 2 x 4GB XMS3 modules, CL9-19-9-27, for Core i3/i5/i7, Dual Channel, 1.5V +55.50
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9 Kit w/2x 4GB XMS3 modules, CL9-9-9-24, 1.5V, Vengeance Heatspreader, 240+96.93


GPU:

ZOTAC GeForce GTX 660Ti 2GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0, DS-2, with Splinter Cell Blacklist

+ Show Spoiler +


ZOTAC GeForce GTX 760 2GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 3.0,+176.21
ZOTAC GeForce GTX 760 2GB AMP! ® PCI-Express 3.0, +421.26

MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 3.0, +206.66
MSI GeForce GTX 760 Gaming 2GB PhysX PCI-Express 3.0, Twin Frozr IV, +343.00

ASUS GeForce GTX 760 2GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 3.0, "DirectCU II OC",+461.10
EVGA GeForce GTX 660Ti 2GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 3.0,+414.05


SSD:

Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB 2.5" OEM SATA3.0, 7mm, 450MB/450MB/s read/write, SandForce®

+ Show Spoiler +
Kingston HyperX 3K SSD 120GB 2.5" SATA 6 Gb/s (SATA3.0), 555/510MB/s read/write, SandForce®+233.46

Corsair SSD Neutron Series GTX 120GB SATA3, 2,5", 555MB/330MB/s read/write, 80K IOPS(4k aligned), w/bracket +380.69
Corsair SSD Force Series GT 120GB 2.5" SATA 6 Gb/s (SATA3.0), 555MB/515MB/s read/write, 85k IOPS(4k aligned), w/bracket +381.51


HDD:

Seagate Barracuda® 2TB SATA 6Gb/s (SATA 3.0), 64MB Cache, 7200RPM, 3.5"


There is a few other options there but I picked what seemed to be within same price range\seemed like a reasoanble thing to exchange it with.
Wat
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 20 2013 17:27 GMT
#31784
On July 21 2013 00:03 poor newb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 21:23 MisterFred wrote:
On July 20 2013 08:37 poor newb wrote:
building new computer from scratch, looking for most bang for buck, thanks in advance

What is your budget?
~$1500 USD with monitor and speaker, willing to pay more if the extra money is worth it

+ Show Spoiler +
What is your resolution?
1920x1080 single monitor, will consider adding second monitor in the future

What are you using it for?
gaming

What is your upgrade cycle?
maybe in 4-5 years

When do you plan on building it?
very soon

Do you plan on overclocking?
willing to try

Do you need an Operating System?
no

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
maybe when upgrading in the future

Where are you buying your parts from?
sites that sell and ship to US


i5-4670k - $235
Gigabyte z87x-d3h - $137
HR-02 Macho - $53
Sapphire 7950 - $270
Kingston HyperX Black 2x4gb - $57
Bit Fenix Ghost - $70
XFX Core 550w - $56
Samsung 840 256gb - $165
Seagate Barracuda 2TB - $90
DVD-burner - $15

SubTotal: $1150

+ Show Spoiler +

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=81327&vpn=BX80646I54670K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1311
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=84040&vpn=GA-Z87X-D3H&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1311
http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Macho-Support-Socket-Driver/dp/B009MS326U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1374317921&sr=8-1&keywords=hr-02 macho
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104387
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=73006&vpn=BFC-GHO-300-KKN1-RP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1311
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59615&vpn=P1550SXXB9&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1311
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77211&vpn=MZ-7TD250BW&manufacture=Samsung Memory & Storage&promoid=1311
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=66010&vpn=ST2000DM001&manufacture=Others&promoid=1311
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289


You might notice there's a ton of sales above. Next week the same configuration might be a bit more expensive. Continuing on the theme, us.ncix.com has a pretty good deal for a Benq xl2420t monitor right now @ $300. The xl2420t is a 24" 1920x1080 120hz monitor (w/o speakers if I remember correctly). Alternatively you could go for one of the best 1920x1080 60hz options: the ASUS mx239h @ $228. A 23" 1920x1080 IPS monitor (w/speakers), the mx239h is going to have an excellent display but isn't capable of 120hz. Then again, if you were planning on getting a bigger, seriously expensive monitor later (not sure what you meant by considering adding a second monitor in the future) or just didn't want to spend as much money, you can still get a high-quality screen an a BenQ gw2450hm $160. A 24" 1920x1080 A-MVA (similar to IPS in that it's better than your average cheap TN monitor) 60hz monitor w/speakers.

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=66305&vpn=XL2420T&manufacture=BenQ&promoid=1311
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236310
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=69380&vpn=GW2450HM&manufacture=BenQ&promoid=1311

Totals:
w/BenQ xl2420t: $1450 (no speakers in this build)
w/ASUS mx239h: $1380 (speakers in monitor)
w/BenQ gw2450hm: $1310 (speakers in monitor)

The processor is basically as good as it gets for gaming. I selected the overclocking version (with associated motherboard & CPU cooler), so you can get the extra performance if you want to put in the time to do so (basically $100 extra cost). Because of your budget I've chosen fairly high quality components (you could go cheaper with a bit less luxury but no real loss in basic functionality). You could get a stronger video card (a 7970 should be $350), but a 7950 is already quite high-end and I wanted to make sure you had room for quality monitor & speakers.

The only reason I see you might want to go over your budget is to fit in a 27" 2560x1440 monitor, but for that you'd have to go over by more than a little bit.


what's a good 27" 2560x1440 monitor for this?
can I swap the 7950 with a gtx 760 instead?

The good ones would put you way over budget. Check one of the "Korean" options (Catleap, Qnix, etc., or better: from Microcenter, Monoprice, Overlord to get better warranty coverage) to get closer to $1500 total. See the monitor thread.

You could downgrade a bit, but if you're serious about high res, even HD 7950 may be a bit on the low end to handle many games. It takes a lot more to run games at 1440p than 1080p. For the 1080p options, GTX 660 sure.



On July 21 2013 02:11 Earll wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hey guys, going to buy a new computer in a week or so, i'll buy it prebuilt but can customize the parts (please don't stone me ) I checked the price of having them put it together for me vs buying all parts separate, and the price difference is negligible. not to mention they give 3 years waranty on the computer as a whole, so if something is wrong they can figure out what it is and how to fix it.) Anyway as I said its customizeable, so ill post the parts I am going for here, with potential alternatives and the price difference in spoilers.

Budget is flexible, Resolution is 1920x1080 Going to run 2 screens using DVI cables (Not sure about screens, I am considering going BenQ 24" LED GL2460? And odds are I will also have 1 tv 30-40" hooked up to the computer with HDMI, for watching movies\playing gamepad games etc Using it for gaming, potentially video encoding\photoshop etc, might also decide to try out streaming. Anyway on to the parts.

The prices are how much more they cost than the original part, and they are in NOK (1 USD = about 6 NOK.) My budget is flexible in the sense that I could theoretically go for all the most expensive parts suggested here at least, but obviously if i can get pretty much same performance for cheaper thats better.


Cabinet:

Corsair Carbide 300R Midi Tower OEM ATX, mATX, 2x USB 2.0


+ Show Spoiler +
Corsair Carbide 200R Midi Tower Sort Vifter: 1x 140mm Front, 1x 120mm Bak, mATX, ATX, 2x USB 3.0 +184.53
Corsair Carbide 300R Midi Tower Sort Vifter: 1x 140mm Front, 1x 120mm Bak, mATX, ATX, 2x USB 3.0 +234.90



PSU:

Cooler Master GX Lite 500W PSU ATX 12V V2.3, Standard, 1x 4+4 CPU, 1x Floppy, 2x 6+2pin PCIe, 6x SATA, 2x Molex
+ Show Spoiler +
XFX ProSeries Core Edition 550W PSU ATX 12V V2.31, 80 Plus Bronze, Standard, 1x 6pin PCIe, 1x 6+2pin PCIe, 6x SATA207.22

XFX ProSeries Core Edition 650W PSU ATX 12V V2.31, 80 Plus Bronze, Standard, 2x 6pin PCIe, 2x 6+2pin PCIe, 8x SATA +401.56


Silver Power SP-SS500 500W PSU ATX 12V V2.2, 80 Plus, Standard, 1x 6pin+1x 6+2pin PCIe, 6× SATA, 6x Molex +93.38

Silver Power SP-S650 650W PSU ATX 12V V2.3, 80 Plus Bronze, Standard, 4x 6+2pin PCIe, 14x SATA, 7x Molex +366.51

Silver Power SP-S650M 650W PSU ATX 12V V2.3, 80 Plus Bronze, Modular, 4x 6+2pin PCIe, 8x SATA, 5x Molex +477.08

Corsair CX 500M, 500W PSU ATX 12V V2.3, 80 Plus Bronze, Modular. 2x 6+2pin PCIe, 5x SATA, 4x Molex+103.09

Corsair CX 500W PSU ATX 12V V2.3, 80 Plus Bronze , Standard. 2x 6+2pin PCIe, 5x SATA, 4x Molex+160.54

Corsair CX 600M, 600W PSU ATX 12V V2.3, 80 Plus Bronze, Modular. 2x 6+2pin PCIe, 6x SATA, 4x Molex+285.23


Processor:

Intel Core i7-2700K Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.5GHz, 8MB, 95W, HD3000, Boxed w/fan
+ Show Spoiler +
Intel Core i5-3330 Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.0GHz, 6MB, 77W, HD2500, Boxed w/fan-582.61
Intel Core i5-3570K Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.4GHz, 6MB, 77W, HD4000, Boxed w/fan -205.74
Intel Core i7-3770K Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.5GHz, 8MB, 77W, HD4000, Boxed w/fan+651.51


Motherboard:

MSI B75MA-P45, Socket-1155 m-ATX, B75, DDR3, 1xG3-PCIe-x16, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.0, VGA, DVI, UEFI
+ Show Spoiler +
MSI Z77A-G43, Socket-1155 ATX, Z77, DDR3, 1xG3+1xG2-PCIe-x16, CFX, VGA, DVI, HDMI, UEFI +359.16


Ram:

Kingston DDR3 HyperX 1600MHz 8GB Kit w/2X HyperX Genesis 4GB DDR3, CL9-9-9-27, 240pin
+ Show Spoiler +
rucial DDR3 1333MHz 8GB KIT, CL9 Kit w/two matched DDR3 4GB, 240pin +39.80

Corsair XMS3 1600MHz 8GB KIT CL9 2 x 4GB XMS3 modules, CL9-19-9-27, for Core i3/i5/i7, Dual Channel, 1.5V +55.50
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9 Kit w/2x 4GB XMS3 modules, CL9-9-9-24, 1.5V, Vengeance Heatspreader, 240+96.93


GPU:

ZOTAC GeForce GTX 660Ti 2GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0, DS-2, with Splinter Cell Blacklist

+ Show Spoiler +


ZOTAC GeForce GTX 760 2GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 3.0,+176.21
ZOTAC GeForce GTX 760 2GB AMP! ® PCI-Express 3.0, +421.26

MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 3.0, +206.66
MSI GeForce GTX 760 Gaming 2GB PhysX PCI-Express 3.0, Twin Frozr IV, +343.00

ASUS GeForce GTX 760 2GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 3.0, "DirectCU II OC",+461.10
EVGA GeForce GTX 660Ti 2GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 3.0,+414.05


SSD:

Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB 2.5" OEM SATA3.0, 7mm, 450MB/450MB/s read/write, SandForce®

+ Show Spoiler +
Kingston HyperX 3K SSD 120GB 2.5" SATA 6 Gb/s (SATA3.0), 555/510MB/s read/write, SandForce®+233.46

Corsair SSD Neutron Series GTX 120GB SATA3, 2,5", 555MB/330MB/s read/write, 80K IOPS(4k aligned), w/bracket +380.69
Corsair SSD Force Series GT 120GB 2.5" SATA 6 Gb/s (SATA3.0), 555MB/515MB/s read/write, 85k IOPS(4k aligned), w/bracket +381.51


HDD:

Seagate Barracuda® 2TB SATA 6Gb/s (SATA 3.0), 64MB Cache, 7200RPM, 3.5"


There is a few other options there but I picked what seemed to be within same price range\seemed like a reasoanble thing to exchange it with.


Is there no configuration with current-gen parts? i7-2700 is two generations ago, and the others are last generation. Current is i_-4___. For gaming, i7 provides practically no benefit over an i5.

The only upgrade that really sticks out to me is GX Lite -> Silver Power SP-SS (Seasonic S12II rebrand).

GL2460 should be okay if what you want is a cheap 1920x1080 24" TN. i.e. prefer larger size, don't mind color shifting between top and bottom, etc., and/or need something relatively fast


Zadan
Profile Joined March 2003
Canada64 Posts
July 20 2013 18:08 GMT
#31785
Guys, I'm thinking about upgrading my cpu/mobo, and give my current ones to parents to use.............

is i5-3570 better or the new i5-4570??

Here are the links for them/price............which is better for my money

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_3570K_Z77V

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_4570_Z87G43HPCF
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 18:13:47
July 20 2013 18:10 GMT
#31786
On July 21 2013 02:27 Myrmidon wrote:
[
s there no configuration with current-gen parts? i7-2700 is two generations ago, and the others are last generation. Current is i_-4___. For gaming, i7 provides practically no benefit over an i5.

The only upgrade that really sticks out to me is GX Lite -> Silver Power SP-SS (Seasonic S12II rebrand).

GL2460 should be okay if what you want is a cheap 1920x1080 24" TN. i.e. prefer larger size, don't mind color shifting between top and bottom, etc., and/or need something relatively fast





ok found this one, its slightly more expensive but seems fairly similar with slight adjustments.

CM Storm Scout II Advanced Gaming Sort
Intel Core i5-4670 Processor
Silver Power SP-S650 650W PSU
MSI B85M-G43, Socket-1150
Kingston DDR3 HyperX 1600MHz 8GB
MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB PhysX CUDA
Samsung DVD Writer, SH-224DB
Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB 2.5" OEM
Seagate Barracuda® 2TB


Don't know whether I should go for MSI geforce or Zotac geforce but oh wells, I can also add the I5 4670k over just the 4670 for another 250~kr, and here I havev 650W PSU, do i need\ is it a good idea to have 650W, or is a silverpower SPS500 (more than) enough?

Also I notice that the GFX card has one DVI-I and one DVI-D? Will this matter when running 2 monitors side by side/does this matter in any way? Thanks a lot for the helps.
Wat
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 20 2013 18:12 GMT
#31787
On July 21 2013 03:08 Zadan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Guys, I'm thinking about upgrading my cpu/mobo, and give my current ones to parents to use.............

is i5-3570 better or the new i5-4570??

Here are the links for them/price............which is better for my money

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_3570K_Z77V

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_4570_Z87G43HPCF


Neither.

The 3570k and P8Z77-V is out of stock and the motherboard is overkill for a novice.

The 4570 can't be overclocked so the Z87 is a waste of money.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 20 2013 18:17 GMT
#31788
On July 21 2013 03:10 Earll wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On July 21 2013 02:27 Myrmidon wrote:
[
s there no configuration with current-gen parts? i7-2700 is two generations ago, and the others are last generation. Current is i_-4___. For gaming, i7 provides practically no benefit over an i5.

The only upgrade that really sticks out to me is GX Lite -> Silver Power SP-SS (Seasonic S12II rebrand).

GL2460 should be okay if what you want is a cheap 1920x1080 24" TN. i.e. prefer larger size, don't mind color shifting between top and bottom, etc., and/or need something relatively fast





ok found this one, its slightly more expensive but seems fairly similar with slight adjustments.

CM Storm Scout II Advanced Gaming Sort
Intel Core i5-4670 Processor
Silver Power SP-S650 650W PSU
MSI B85M-G43, Socket-1150
Kingston DDR3 HyperX 1600MHz 8GB
MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB PhysX CUDA
Samsung DVD Writer, SH-224DB
Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB 2.5" OEM
Seagate Barracuda® 2TB


Don't know whether I should go for MSI geforce or Zotac geforce but oh wells, I can also add the I5 4670k over just the 4670 for another 250~kr, and here I havev 650W PSU, do i need\ is it a good idea to have 650W, or is a silverpower SPS500 (more than) enough?

Also I notice that the GFX card has one DVI-I and one DVI-D? Will this matter when running 2 monitors side by side/does this matter in any way? Thanks a lot for the helps.


DVI-D is digital only and DVI-I is analog and digital. It doesn't matter as long as both your monitors are DVI. If you still have a VGA monitor then you'll need to use the adapter on the DVI-I port and use the newer monitor with DVI on the DVI-D port.

500w is more than enough.

4670k is for overclocking so if you want to overclock than get a 4670k and a Z87 motherboard. Otherwise just stick with 4670 and B85.
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
July 20 2013 18:29 GMT
#31789
On July 21 2013 03:17 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 03:10 Earll wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On July 21 2013 02:27 Myrmidon wrote:
[
s there no configuration with current-gen parts? i7-2700 is two generations ago, and the others are last generation. Current is i_-4___. For gaming, i7 provides practically no benefit over an i5.

The only upgrade that really sticks out to me is GX Lite -> Silver Power SP-SS (Seasonic S12II rebrand).

GL2460 should be okay if what you want is a cheap 1920x1080 24" TN. i.e. prefer larger size, don't mind color shifting between top and bottom, etc., and/or need something relatively fast





ok found this one, its slightly more expensive but seems fairly similar with slight adjustments.

CM Storm Scout II Advanced Gaming Sort
Intel Core i5-4670 Processor
Silver Power SP-S650 650W PSU
MSI B85M-G43, Socket-1150
Kingston DDR3 HyperX 1600MHz 8GB
MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB PhysX CUDA
Samsung DVD Writer, SH-224DB
Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB 2.5" OEM
Seagate Barracuda® 2TB


Don't know whether I should go for MSI geforce or Zotac geforce but oh wells, I can also add the I5 4670k over just the 4670 for another 250~kr, and here I havev 650W PSU, do i need\ is it a good idea to have 650W, or is a silverpower SPS500 (more than) enough?

Also I notice that the GFX card has one DVI-I and one DVI-D? Will this matter when running 2 monitors side by side/does this matter in any way? Thanks a lot for the helps.


DVI-D is digital only and DVI-I is analog and digital. It doesn't matter as long as both your monitors are DVI. If you still have a VGA monitor then you'll need to use the adapter on the DVI-I port and use the newer monitor with DVI on the DVI-D port.

500w is more than enough.

4670k is for overclocking so if you want to overclock than get a 4670k and a Z87 motherboard. Otherwise just stick with 4670 and B85.



Oook thanks a lot, going to go for what I posted above then with the i5 4570 and Kingston DDR3 HyperX 1600MHz 8GB
/ MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB PhysX CUDA, but 500PSU insteaed of 650, unless someone posts something gamechanging before monday.
Wat
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
July 20 2013 19:23 GMT
#31790
On July 21 2013 00:03 poor newb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 21:23 MisterFred wrote:
On July 20 2013 08:37 poor newb wrote:
building new computer from scratch, looking for most bang for buck, thanks in advance

What is your budget?
~$1500 USD with monitor and speaker, willing to pay more if the extra money is worth it

+ Show Spoiler +
What is your resolution?
1920x1080 single monitor, will consider adding second monitor in the future

What are you using it for?
gaming

What is your upgrade cycle?
maybe in 4-5 years

When do you plan on building it?
very soon

Do you plan on overclocking?
willing to try

Do you need an Operating System?
no

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
maybe when upgrading in the future

Where are you buying your parts from?
sites that sell and ship to US


i5-4670k - $235
Gigabyte z87x-d3h - $137
HR-02 Macho - $53
Sapphire 7950 - $270
Kingston HyperX Black 2x4gb - $57
Bit Fenix Ghost - $70
XFX Core 550w - $56
Samsung 840 256gb - $165
Seagate Barracuda 2TB - $90
DVD-burner - $15

SubTotal: $1150

+ Show Spoiler +

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=81327&vpn=BX80646I54670K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1311
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=84040&vpn=GA-Z87X-D3H&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1311
http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Macho-Support-Socket-Driver/dp/B009MS326U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1374317921&sr=8-1&keywords=hr-02 macho
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104387
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=73006&vpn=BFC-GHO-300-KKN1-RP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1311
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59615&vpn=P1550SXXB9&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1311
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77211&vpn=MZ-7TD250BW&manufacture=Samsung Memory & Storage&promoid=1311
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=66010&vpn=ST2000DM001&manufacture=Others&promoid=1311
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289


You might notice there's a ton of sales above. Next week the same configuration might be a bit more expensive. Continuing on the theme, us.ncix.com has a pretty good deal for a Benq xl2420t monitor right now @ $300. The xl2420t is a 24" 1920x1080 120hz monitor (w/o speakers if I remember correctly). Alternatively you could go for one of the best 1920x1080 60hz options: the ASUS mx239h @ $228. A 23" 1920x1080 IPS monitor (w/speakers), the mx239h is going to have an excellent display but isn't capable of 120hz. Then again, if you were planning on getting a bigger, seriously expensive monitor later (not sure what you meant by considering adding a second monitor in the future) or just didn't want to spend as much money, you can still get a high-quality screen an a BenQ gw2450hm $160. A 24" 1920x1080 A-MVA (similar to IPS in that it's better than your average cheap TN monitor) 60hz monitor w/speakers.

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=66305&vpn=XL2420T&manufacture=BenQ&promoid=1311
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236310
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=69380&vpn=GW2450HM&manufacture=BenQ&promoid=1311

Totals:
w/BenQ xl2420t: $1450 (no speakers in this build)
w/ASUS mx239h: $1380 (speakers in monitor)
w/BenQ gw2450hm: $1310 (speakers in monitor)

The processor is basically as good as it gets for gaming. I selected the overclocking version (with associated motherboard & CPU cooler), so you can get the extra performance if you want to put in the time to do so (basically $100 extra cost). Because of your budget I've chosen fairly high quality components (you could go cheaper with a bit less luxury but no real loss in basic functionality). You could get a stronger video card (a 7970 should be $350), but a 7950 is already quite high-end and I wanted to make sure you had room for quality monitor & speakers.

The only reason I see you might want to go over your budget is to fit in a 27" 2560x1440 monitor, but for that you'd have to go over by more than a little bit.


what's a good 27" 2560x1440 monitor for this?
can I swap the 7950 with a gtx 760 instead?


What Myrmidon said re:monitors.
A gtx 760 would be a fine replacement for a 7950. Though if you went with the larger resolution monitor I'd prefer the 7950 (more vRAM for bigger pixel numbers).
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
zeratul_jf
Profile Joined October 2011
United States808 Posts
July 20 2013 19:24 GMT
#31791
Hey guys im gonna be doing a new build soon, but what i really want is a custom case. Im talking about like a with a custom design on the sidepanels, something along the lines of what Husky got to his computer.
For those who don't know what im talking about here is a link


just skip to 1:11 and it shows how he has custom panels and the basic layout of his case.

I was looking for something similar but i dont know where to order, or start to look for as my google searches have not lead me the right away.

I would appreciate if anyone can point me in the right direction.
Zadan
Profile Joined March 2003
Canada64 Posts
July 20 2013 20:00 GMT
#31792
On July 21 2013 03:12 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 03:08 Zadan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Guys, I'm thinking about upgrading my cpu/mobo, and give my current ones to parents to use.............

is i5-3570 better or the new i5-4570??

Here are the links for them/price............which is better for my money

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_3570K_Z77V

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_4570_Z87G43HPCF


Neither.

The 3570k and P8Z77-V is out of stock and the motherboard is overkill for a novice.

The 4570 can't be overclocked so the Z87 is a waste of money.


SKYR, so what would you recommend????
S3ph
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany76 Posts
July 20 2013 21:19 GMT
#31793
On July 21 2013 05:00 Zadan wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 21 2013 03:12 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 03:08 Zadan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Guys, I'm thinking about upgrading my cpu/mobo, and give my current ones to parents to use.............

is i5-3570 better or the new i5-4570??

Here are the links for them/price............which is better for my money

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_3570K_Z77V

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_4570_Z87G43HPCF


Neither.

The 3570k and P8Z77-V is out of stock and the motherboard is overkill for a novice.

The 4570 can't be overclocked so the Z87 is a waste of money.


SKYR, so what would you recommend????


Im not SkyR, but I can tell you what he told me.
#1 If you're going to overclock CPU and MoBo, then you should take i5-4670k and Z87.
#2 If you dont have time/wish/etc to overclock, then they're a waste of money. Then take i5-4670 and B87 or H87 MoBo.

I personally dont have an overclocking experience. And still bought i5-4670k and Z87x-B3H. There will be stable benchmarks as I decide to overclock them both to squeeze the very last of the performance.

Good luck.
Dura lex, sed lex!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 21:24:33
July 20 2013 21:22 GMT
#31794
On July 21 2013 04:24 zeratul_jf wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hey guys im gonna be doing a new build soon, but what i really want is a custom case. Im talking about like a with a custom design on the sidepanels, something along the lines of what Husky got to his computer.
For those who don't know what im talking about here is a link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d105E2sijd4

just skip to 1:11 and it shows how he has custom panels and the basic layout of his case.

I was looking for something similar but i dont know where to order, or start to look for as my google searches have not lead me the right away.

I would appreciate if anyone can point me in the right direction.


Just contact a PC modding shop like MountainMods. Custom cases cost upwards of $1000 or more just so you know...
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17278 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 21:30:05
July 20 2013 21:29 GMT
#31795
You can customize just the side panel yourself, rather than doing a full custom case. The simple version is taking the side, dremmeling it how you want, then attaching the plexi over the piece you cut out.

I think people who do that usually want to strip and repaint the thing, but that's a lot more involved and usually involves taking your pieces to some kind of place that does paint stripping (and the price will start adding up). I'm pretty confident there are a lot of guides out there for just adding plexi to a sidepanel.
twitch.tv/cratonz
zeratul_jf
Profile Joined October 2011
United States808 Posts
July 20 2013 23:21 GMT
#31796
Thank you guys for your Responses! i dont mind the cost since i will probably keep the case for a long time considering that you never really need to upgrade the case and its mostly for aesthetic purposes as long as it has a good air flow.
Zadan
Profile Joined March 2003
Canada64 Posts
July 20 2013 23:38 GMT
#31797
On July 21 2013 06:19 S3ph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 05:00 Zadan wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 21 2013 03:12 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 03:08 Zadan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Guys, I'm thinking about upgrading my cpu/mobo, and give my current ones to parents to use.............

is i5-3570 better or the new i5-4570??

Here are the links for them/price............which is better for my money

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_3570K_Z77V

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_4570_Z87G43HPCF


Neither.

The 3570k and P8Z77-V is out of stock and the motherboard is overkill for a novice.

The 4570 can't be overclocked so the Z87 is a waste of money.


SKYR, so what would you recommend????


Im not SkyR, but I can tell you what he told me.
#1 If you're going to overclock CPU and MoBo, then you should take i5-4670k and Z87.
#2 If you dont have time/wish/etc to overclock, then they're a waste of money. Then take i5-4670 and B87 or H87 MoBo.

I personally dont have an overclocking experience. And still bought i5-4670k and Z87x-B3H. There will be stable benchmarks as I decide to overclock them both to squeeze the very last of the performance.

Good luck.


thanks for ur response..............but in #1 and #2 u both said i5-4670......................do u mean 4570 in one of them???

skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 20 2013 23:43 GMT
#31798
core i5 4670k and core i5 4670 are two different products.

4670k: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45429
4670: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45430
Zadan
Profile Joined March 2003
Canada64 Posts
July 20 2013 23:49 GMT
#31799
ohhh missed the "k" lol

so 4570 not very good huh
Ata
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada356 Posts
July 21 2013 00:40 GMT
#31800
On July 21 2013 08:49 Zadan wrote:
ohhh missed the "k" lol

so 4570 not very good huh


what? :/
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