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Basically, is Haswell worth it for a PC i want to last 5 years? Is Ivy still also worth it? Thanks all.
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116901 Basically, is Haswell worth it for a PC i want to last 5 years? Is Ivy still also worth it? Thanks all. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
Also get an i5, it's the same as i7 except no hyper-threading and 2MB less L2 Cache. | ||
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
Since im probably never going to have another 2000$ to spend on a PC, im just going to spend the extra 100$ for the i7, ill gamble and hope it works out in the future. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On July 20 2013 01:49 iokke wrote:+ Show Spoiler + edit: - actually think I got most of the parts down, just need help with the motherboard and psu, check spoiler plz. Maybe a different case cause of looks but its nbd. Think it'll come out to about $430 + os total (i3 3.3ghz, 8gb ram, 1tb hd so far) edit 2: or I found this guy for $430 with tax from HP (os included) i3 3.1ghz, 6gb ram, 1tb 7200rpm hd, 2x USB 3.0. Seems fairly close http://www.amazon.com/Gateway-DX4860-UR308-Desktop-Black/dp/B009B8EBUC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1374263258&sr=1-1&keywords=desktop i3 Should I just go with that? Hi TL. I need to build another computer tower for work, mainly used to play music & later videos. Budget is around $400-$500 for parts. Component wise I'd really like to have at least 1tb storage, usb 3.0 front ports, 8gb of ram, prefer intel i series over amd but that's not a deal breaker. Onboard graphics should be ok as long as I can upgrade later. Also is it still worth it for me to build my own or should I be able to find similarly priced manufactured desktops (esp since I will probably need a buy windows)? Thanks in advance! What is your budget? - prefer $400-$500 for parts, some wiggle room What is your resolution? - prefer 1920 by 1080, but not too important What are you using it for? - no gaming, maybe some photoshop work, mainly playing music and mixing videos What is your upgrade cycle? - 2+ years When do you plan on building it? - by the end of July Do you plan on overclocking? - no Do you need an Operating System? - yes, but will be bought outside of stated budget Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? - no Where are you buying your parts from? - newegg.com, amazon preferred New build I'm compiling, so far got everything besides usb 3.0 motherboard and a PSU that can later support addition video + sound card: + Show Spoiler + Case $45 ($30 AR) - RAIDMAX Blade ATX-298WY Mid tower Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156262 Look is a bit too much, but it's $35 AR, has usb 3.0 and good reviews (+ there's another 15% off coupon that might work) OEM 1TB HD + DVD Burner Combo $77 - WD Blue 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" + Asus drw http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1385081 Processor $125 - Intel Core i3-2120 Dual-Core Processor 3.3 GHz 3 MB Cache LGA 1155 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115077 RAM $70 - Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148540 Single 8gb Stick in case they want to upgrade to 16gb later $317 so far ($302 after rebate) Still need mobo and psu Why are you buying a core i3 2120 rather than a core i3 3220 when the price difference is only $5? Get a core i3 3220 & B75 combo for $190: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1360813 Seems that core i3 pricing went up on Newegg. But a FX6300 is less expensive and may be better than the i3 if your tasks are well threaded. Get the Fractal Design Core 1000 for $34 with promo code: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352032 For power supply, just get a CX430 for ~$45. That HP does not have front usb3.0 which you said you wanted. And you're typically going to have to replace the power supply on prebuilts if you want to add an graphics card. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
At any given clock speed Haswell will be faster than Ivy/Sandy. The only difference is that Ivy/Sandy can OC higher with the right equipment Actually, i'd say sandy especially (and a tiny bit ivy) can oc higher if you have the WRONG equipment, or not as good knowledge/understanding You can get i7 if hyperthreading is worth the cost for the performance gains (usually ~20% faster in stuff that loads 8+ threads and scales well like video encoding) but it's use is very little. A game that benefits in terms of performance at all with hyperthreading is considered special, and other stuff will run so fast with a current CPU that you often dont mind that video encode taking 1 minute and 12 seconds instead of 1 minute, but if you use stuff often that scales in terms of performance with it then you might want it. If you're not overclocking though, i'd always take that before i7 unless you don't want to get into it at all, cause 25% better performance everywhere is a lot better than 20% extra in a niche and identical in most places | ||
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
Thanks for the PSU tip, ill get it On the case, would this one work too? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147160 $40 after coupon, it has 2x usb 3.0 front ports (I got 2 externals) + more fans, but it's not micro atx, i read it should still fit though | ||
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
Also, looking at RAM for my build, 2133 seems overkill to me, will 1600 satisfy my Haswell? Or is the higher frequency going to boost performance by alot. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
On July 20 2013 05:45 skyR wrote: Higher frequency memory is slightly better and is only like $10 more than 1600MHz so there's little reason to not get it when you were once considering an i7. Lol, very true, thanks. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On July 20 2013 05:42 iokke wrote:+ Show Spoiler + HP does have them on the back (I get extension cords), but my manager just told me he wants an i5. I don't really think we need it but hey, it's their money. I might talk to him again given the bundle you linked. Thanks for the PSU tip, ill get it On the case, would this one work too? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147160 $40 after coupon, it has 2x usb 3.0 front ports (I got 2 externals) + more fans, but it's not micro atx, i read it should still fit though ATX cases fit both ATX and mATX so any case will work. | ||
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
They want i5 after all, can someone review my final list. Also the coupon for the case just disappeared (and $5 off on PSU)  but it's only $15 differenceCase $50 - Rosewell U3 Midtower Case OEM 1TB HD + DVD Burner Combo $77 - WD Blue 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" + Asus drw Motherboard $70 - Gigabyte DDR3 1600 Intel - LGA 1155 B75 HDMI and DVI mATX GA-B75M-HD3 RAM $70 - Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) (single stick) PSU $42 ($20AR) - CORSAIR Builder Series CX430m 430W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Processor $220 - Intel Core i5-3570K Quad-Core 3.4 GHz 4 Core LGA 1155 - BX80637I53570K $529 Final Price For a peace of mind, last few Q That PSU is still enough for i5 and future vcard right? That motherboard is still good even if I don't get the bundle mentioned above? Thanks again | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Yes, the CX430 will still be sufficient. | ||
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
However i5-3570K is only $13 more and comes with HD4000 vs HD2500 on i5-3750 so i thought that it's worth it | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
I have my silver arrow now, mounted ok with paste (repasted a few times; it's not horribly wrong) ~28c ambients, 3.4ghz, 1vcore manual, turbo disabled. Vcore changes in CPU-Z under load, but i set what i set and changes are either mistakes in software or changes of the behavior of the integrated voltage regulator ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qyTUEWW.jpg) Max temp after Cinebench for 2 runs, 50c. 22c above ambient ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OjVbvPk.png) Linpack with avx2 for 5 minutes - max temp 74c, 46c above ambient ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/s573UaY.png) Linpack with avx2 for 5 minutes on STOCK SETTINGS, stock volts (1.127vcore), stock clocks + turbo - max temp 86c (58c above ambient) I won't order anybody to do anything, but there's no way i would base an overclock on these temps when all of the games and video encoders i use have temps matching or being below cinebench, and synthetic avx2 work does this kind of shit with good airflow on a silver arrow. Nobody can overclock on those temps, good thing they don't show up aside from niche stress testing programs This is good mount on silver arrow with 2xty-147's at max RPM, a 170mm exhaust mounted next to it at max speed, a 120mm exhaust and two 120mm intakes with GPU sleeping, 86c on stock settings. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
Edit: also, no HD4000 is not really worth if over HD2500, even for the price. If you're gonna grab a K, get a Z77, even if you ever might want to even maybe overclock, which can give you 10-30% performance boosts in five minutes, sometimes without even changing stock voltage. 30% performance gains means a CPU that is relevant for an additional two years, btw. Keep that in mind. | ||
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
I have a monitor/keyboard/mouse etc. Just missing the PSU, RAM, and SSD. No need for optical drives or HDD's. Intel Core i5 Haswell http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=81327&promoid=1311 Asus Motherboard Hero VI Z87 http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=84529&promoid=1311 After Market Cooler Noctua NH-D14, yes i saw Skyr's post about it last page, hehe. http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=47090 GTX 770 http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=84048&promoid=1311 Corsair Carbide 300R Case http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=66063&promoid=1311 Edit:: Just realized i dont have an SSD on there, if anyone knows any good 120gb ones, please let me know. | ||
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
On July 20 2013 07:49 Alryk wrote: CX430M is the same price as the non modular version and then it has a 15% off coupon which will save you like $8. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-139-049 Edit: also, no HD4000 is not really worth if over HD2500, even for the price. If you're gonna grab a K, get a Z77, even if you ever might want to even maybe overclock, which can give you 10-30% performance boosts in five minutes, sometimes without even changing stock voltage. 30% performance gains means a CPU that is relevant for an additional two years, btw. Keep that in mind. Nice find on 430m, thank you! Is there an inexpensive z77 board with usb 3.0/hdmi out that you can recommend? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On July 20 2013 07:56 rebuffering wrote:+ Show Spoiler + So im almost done picking parts, if anyone can give me any advice, would be very appreciated! Im missing a PSU and RAM, so any suggestions would be nice, since i dont know how much wattage is really necessary. And also the whole thing about RAM and timings is something im not that familiar with. I have a monitor/keyboard/mouse etc. Just missing the PSU, RAM, and SSD. No need for optical drives or HDD's. Intel Core i5 Haswell http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=81327&promoid=1311 Asus Motherboard Hero VI Z87 http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=84529&promoid=1311 After Market Cooler Noctua NH-D14, yes i saw Skyr's post about it last page, hehe. http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=47090 GTX 770 http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=84048&promoid=1311 Corsair Carbide 300R Case http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=66063&promoid=1311 Edit:: Just realized i dont have an SSD on there, if anyone knows any good 120gb ones, please let me know. 300R is $65 at Memory Express: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX37031 I never mentioned an NH-D14, someone else did because the U14S was OOS but luckily for you, it came back in stock so you can pricematch it at Memory Express with Newegg to get it for $63: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45777 , http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608041 You don't need such an expensive motherboard... A ~$140 Z87X-D3H is more than fine for most people: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX46023 , pricematch with http://ncix.com/products/?sku=84040 Spending so much money on a motherboard is actually the biggest waste of money since you probably aren't going to do liquid, don't know what half the features you are paying for actually do, and it doesn't add to your performance. You can pricematch the GTX 770 at ME to get it for $405: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45835 Pricematch a Samsung 840 120gb from Newegg $90: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147188 with Memory Express to get it at $85: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX43340 For RAM, get these at $70: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34251 Power supply, Seasonic G 450 for $80 - pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151124 : http://ncix.com/products/?sku=76941 | ||
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
On July 20 2013 08:05 skyR wrote: 300R is $65 at Memory Express: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX37031 I never mentioned an NH-D14, someone else did because the U14S was OOS but luckily for you, it came back in stock so you can pricematch it at Memory Express with Newegg to get it for $63: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45777 , http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608041 You don't need such an expensive motherboard... A ~$140 Z87X-D3H is more than fine for most people: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX46023 , pricematch with http://ncix.com/products/?sku=84040 Spending so much money on a motherboard is actually the biggest waste of money since you probably aren't going to do liquid, don't know what half the features you are paying for actually do, and it doesn't add to your performance. You can pricematch the GTX 770 at ME to get it for $405: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45835 Pricematch a Samsung 840 120gb from Newegg $90: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147188 with Memory Express to get it at $85: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX43340 Thanks very much for saving me some money! | ||
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