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On June 24 2013 03:39 Blaec wrote:Processor is last gen, you want a i5 4xxx and there is no reason to get a 2.5" hard drive, grab a Western digital blue or Seagate 3.5". If you aren't overclocking you can leave the cpu cooler out as you get one with the cpu. Motherboards, you want a b85 or h87 one. Otherwise pretty good, if you can stretch the budget a little bit then get a Samsung 840 ssd instead of the hard drive.
What benefit do the newest gen processors have? Will the 3rd gen not be good enough for WoW and Sc2? They are not that demanding games, I changed the HDD for a 3.5" one. And what is the difference between a b85 or h87 one, not too experienced with motherboards, how much more will they cost?
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On June 24 2013 03:46 Ceio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 03:39 Blaec wrote:Processor is last gen, you want a i5 4xxx and there is no reason to get a 2.5" hard drive, grab a Western digital blue or Seagate 3.5". If you aren't overclocking you can leave the cpu cooler out as you get one with the cpu. Motherboards, you want a b85 or h87 one. Otherwise pretty good, if you can stretch the budget a little bit then get a Samsung 840 ssd instead of the hard drive. What benefit do the newest gen processors have? Will the 3rd gen not be good enough for WoW and Sc2? They are not that demanding games, I changed the HDD for a 3.5" one. And what is the difference between a b85 or h87 one, not too experienced with motherboards, how much more will they cost?
Well the new one is just better and virtually the same price, last gen is justifiable if its going to be a fair bit cheaper.
z87 is the overclocking chipset, I don't really know the difference between the others but they are cheaper because their lack of OC stuff.
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Judging from the SC2 benchmarks I've seen, It's worth it even with some price difference. The performance increase is pretty massive the way I remember it. WoW is perhaps not much different. You should know that both games can have fps problems in certain situations even on the newest PCs. For the H87 and B85 boards, you can just go for the very cheapest you can find that still has all connections you want.
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If you want to overclock you have to buy a Z motherboard. It wouldn't make sense to upgrade to it later. If you don't, you don't need it. On the other hand, you could get a new build in 4 years that can overclock.
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So I cant overclock with this, fair enough. Will I need to though, will this computer be robust enough where it wont need anything replaced for 4 years and still cope well enough with games?
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On June 24 2013 04:08 Ceio wrote:
So I cant overclock with this, fair enough. Will I need to though, will this computer be robust enough where it wont need anything replaced for 4 years and still cope well enough with games?
Overclocking will help your computer to keep up in a few years. Not that it won't be able to at all but it helps it compete against whatever will be coming out at that moment in time. If you have the extra 100 or so dollars it's pretty worth it.
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On June 24 2013 04:08 Ceio wrote:
So I cant overclock with this, fair enough. Will I need to though, will this computer be robust enough where it wont need anything replaced for 4 years and still cope well enough with games?
Nobody knows where CPU performance will be in 5 years. Chances are you'll be fine as consoles are running off of highly threaded low power CPUs, but nobody can say for sure. Overclocking will simply give you the ability to give your pc extra oomph if it really needs it. Nehalem came out about 4 years ago, and I know that it can fall behind in games like SC2, especially without overclocking, but while that's possible, Haswell is probably good enough for any game you might run for 4 years.
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Even nowadays, most games run very well on pretty shitty old PCs. Only some games like SC2 have problems with smooth fps when the screen is full of units. Programmers will perhaps try very hard to have their stuff run well on PS4 and next Xbox, and those have very slow CPUs compared to this i5-4570.
I don't know how much more you'll get out of overclocking. Perhaps two years if you are lucky? You can also be unlucky, and the CPU you get is one that does not want to overclock much. You'd need not only a Z87 motherboard, but also an i5-4670k CPU. That CPU is another 25 pounds compared to what you have on your list at the moment, the board similarly about 25 pounds more, and a good cooler up to 40 pounds.
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On June 24 2013 04:26 Ropid wrote:
Even nowadays, most games run very well on pretty shitty old PCs. Only some games like SC2 have problems with smooth fps when the screen is full of units. Programmers will perhaps try very hard to have their stuff run well on PS4 and next Xbox, and those have very slow CPUs compared to this i5-4570.
I don't know how much more you'll get out of overclocking. Perhaps two years if you are lucky? You can also be unlucky, and the CPU you get is one that does not want to overclock much. You'd need not only a Z87 motherboard, but also an i5-4670k CPU. That CPU is another 25 pounds compared to what you have on your list at the moment, the board similarly about 25 pounds more, and a good cooler up to 40 pounds.
Which is why getting a 3570k might be a better idea. A 3570k will cost 190 euro, a Hyoper 212 28 euro, and a Z77 board 80 euro. Get to 4.4 ghz pretty handily.
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2 GB VRAM GTX 650 Ti version probably isn't worth it. The extra VRAM won't help unless you're really a fan of high-res textures and low settings elsewhere.
XFX Core Pro 450W is usually cheaper in UK and a bit better quality. You won't need the extra wattage and connectors the CX500M has (and there aren't many cables you wouldn't use anyway, so being modular doesn't really help).
A 640 GB hard drive is going to be an older model (not that it's a huge difference, but...). Just get a 1 TB model or maybe 500 GB.
BitFenix Merc Alpha or Beta is probably a little better than the CM Elite 335U in that kind of bottom-rung price range for cases.
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I build my computer and have an ssd for the os and a 1tb hhd for everything else I just want to install important things on my ssd but when I install a program it doesn't give a choice how do I fix this, the OS is windows 8 if that matters
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Most programs ask you which directory you want to install it in. Most games are copy pasteable these days. If neither applies then you p robably have to make a symbolic link.
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On June 24 2013 06:29 Gumbi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 04:26 Ropid wrote:
Even nowadays, most games run very well on pretty shitty old PCs. Only some games like SC2 have problems with smooth fps when the screen is full of units. Programmers will perhaps try very hard to have their stuff run well on PS4 and next Xbox, and those have very slow CPUs compared to this i5-4570.
I don't know how much more you'll get out of overclocking. Perhaps two years if you are lucky? You can also be unlucky, and the CPU you get is one that does not want to overclock much. You'd need not only a Z87 motherboard, but also an i5-4670k CPU. That CPU is another 25 pounds compared to what you have on your list at the moment, the board similarly about 25 pounds more, and a good cooler up to 40 pounds. Which is why getting a 3570k might be a better idea. A 3570k will cost 190 euro, a Hyoper 212 28 euro, and a Z77 board 80 euro. Get to 4.4 ghz pretty handily.
I'd 100% go down the "used sandy bridge" route, or new haswell. New ivy bridge doesn't make much sense to me when haswell clocks pretty much the same (a little hotter at the same volts, but you need less volts on average because of the IVR and having finer control over things like uncore) and is consistently ~7% faster in pretty much every application, as much as 15-20% faster in some niche cases. Socket 1150 also has some value; It's newer, you can use broadwell CPU's with it. More expensive than z77, but the boards are better too, not just randomly increased price. You have 10 sata3 instead of 2, you have better vrm's, better onboard audio, better build quality, i hear nothing but praise for most z87 boards so they're worth a small premium. Haswell is for when you want the best stuff, if you dont want that then there's a ton of used sandy bridge on the market from people going to haswell, which will be relatively close in performance (clocks a lot higher than ivy/haswell on low end cooling) that will be a lot, lot cheaper than buying new stuff
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Picking some nits here, but...
Z87 has six SATA3 (6 Gbps), not ten. If you see more than two on Z77 and more than six on Z87, it's from third-party controllers.
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Hi TL
I want to buy me a new GPU.
I am thinking about the "Radeon HD 7950 3GB"
and the
"Nvidia GeForce GTX660 TI 2048MB"
I heared that overall the Radeon HD 7950 is sooo much better than the 660Ti
But some of the tests shows, that Starcraft is running better with a GTX 660 Ti.
So i dont know which i have to buy.
Maybe somebody can give me some tipps.
thx
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The 660ti is cheaper (from what i've seen) but both are extremely overkill for sc2. If you're just buying for Starcraft at 1920x1080, get a 7770/650ti or something like that, if not then look at benchmarks for other games
Look into Nvidia Shadowplay too, it's an extremely valuable feature IMO
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@ Cyro
wow thx for the Fast answer
I looked at the Benchmarks from different websites 3/5 says the the Geforce 660 Ti is better and 2/5 says that the Radeon is better.
I guess Nvidia is very good but i have no Idea which version i have to buy.
This:
ASUS GTX660 TI-DC2-2GD5, Retail, 2048MB
or this:
EVGA GeForce GTX 660 Ti, Retail, 2048MB
I am not very good at GPUs so i have no idea whats the differents and which is better.
Maybe someone can me help with this. Thx <3
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On June 24 2013 08:59 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 06:29 Gumbi wrote:On June 24 2013 04:26 Ropid wrote:
Even nowadays, most games run very well on pretty shitty old PCs. Only some games like SC2 have problems with smooth fps when the screen is full of units. Programmers will perhaps try very hard to have their stuff run well on PS4 and next Xbox, and those have very slow CPUs compared to this i5-4570.
I don't know how much more you'll get out of overclocking. Perhaps two years if you are lucky? You can also be unlucky, and the CPU you get is one that does not want to overclock much. You'd need not only a Z87 motherboard, but also an i5-4670k CPU. That CPU is another 25 pounds compared to what you have on your list at the moment, the board similarly about 25 pounds more, and a good cooler up to 40 pounds. Which is why getting a 3570k might be a better idea. A 3570k will cost 190 euro, a Hyoper 212 28 euro, and a Z77 board 80 euro. Get to 4.4 ghz pretty handily. I'd 100% go down the "used sandy bridge" route, or new haswell. New ivy bridge doesn't make much sense to me when haswell clocks pretty much the same (a little hotter at the same volts, but you need less volts on average because of the IVR and having finer control over things like uncore) and is consistently ~7% faster in pretty much every application, as much as 15-20% faster in some niche cases. Socket 1150 also has some value; It's newer, you can use broadwell CPU's with it. More expensive than z77, but the boards are better too, not just randomly increased price. You have 10 sata3 instead of 2, you have better vrm's, better onboard audio, better build quality, i hear nothing but praise for most z87 boards so they're worth a small premium. Haswell is for when you want the best stuff, if you dont want that then there's a ton of used sandy bridge on the market from people going to haswell, which will be relatively close in performance (clocks a lot higher than ivy/haswell on low end cooling) that will be a lot, lot cheaper than buying new stuff
It's not a "small premium" though. Haswell boards are over 35 euro more expensive, and you save a few quid on the CPU too (though not as much). Plus, you save a bit on the cooler (as you've been saying, Hyper 212 won't cut it for Haswell), so all these savings add up.
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Haswell OC is the "premium performance" option, used sandy bridge oc is the cheap budget but great performance option, i don't really see where ivy fits in was my point
I don't believe that in the right hands, haswell clocks worse than ivy on the same cooling, they both just appriciate good temps a lot in terms of oc headroom
Sandy bridge doesn't care. www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416089
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