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Just making sure my build is well made.
Here it is with all of its parts picked
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/18R6w
And here its the case I chose.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005869A7K/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
I am wondering if someone could give a critical perspective of it, maybe what could/should be replaced by something else.
And the one question I have is how overcloackable will it be? (my first amd build so I am not very familiar with their cpu's)
Any helpfull comment will help. I just want to make sure to spend my money wisely before I buy.
Computer Purpose will be for gaming and general Use.
And Hopefully wont need upgrades for a long time.
This is the top of my budget. So I cant spend any more than what it says in there.
Thank you guys
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I made an optional build just to see what you guys think:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/19f0z
It is about $100 cheaper than the other one. (Changed the cpu, the motherboard, and I did not put an aftermarket fan. (I dont know how overcloackable the cpu is) .
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On June 23 2013 00:36 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 19:59 Lmui wrote:
U12s does seem pretty good, exceptionally good looking at the noise levels. Sold.
I looked at ncix.ca, and they also have the U14S for $10 more. I'd rather take that one over the U12S as the price is already expensive in any case. There's a Zalman CNPS12x for $50 "after rebate" and "weekly special" for the next few days. That deal would be the best, I bet. EDIT: Browsing around for reviews, xbitlabs.com mentioned the CNPS12x's fans made some kind of rustling noise at very low speeds, which disappeared when increasing speed. I'd be worried about noise as the cooler has three fans. There's a larger CNPS14x which seems to be engineered around a similar idea but only has a single fan in the middle position. No idea how good that one is, but the price is very good.
I'm not particularly worried about the cooling difference between the u14s and u12s. I'm not going to spend days and days overclocking it to the limits, just pushing it to 4.2-4.4ghz and leaving it there for a few years. It's better on paper but probably not in practice for me.
As for the power supply
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=76941&vpn=SSR-450RM&manufacture=Seasonic Electronics
I can only find reviews of the 550W unit and I can't find any discussion on chirping so I guess there isn't much reason to go corsair and risk the chirping if buying straight from Seasonic is possible. The case is going to be placed on a hardwood floor so there aren't any problems pointing the PSU intake downwards and grabbing fresh air,
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http://www.silentpcreview.com/files/sounds/hsf/noctua-nh-u12s-7v-8v-9v-12v.mp3
here's u12s noise sample
The beginning is the ambient sound, you're supposed to turn the volume down until the ambient sound is almost inaudible for the most realistic sound.
Basically it's almost inaudible at the lowest levels whereas it's rather loud at max level.
Personally if I was considering U12S, I'd just get U14S instead, it's just as quiet but with better performance. I think U12S costs way too much for the performance. The price-performance isn't exactly its strong suit.
For most people you shouldn't really even need so much performance. Macho is more quiet and has pretty good performance. U12S costs around 50% more and I don't think I could justify that amount, especially if you are buying it because it's silent and not for the performance(As I said, Macho is more quiet).
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I'm pretty sure that Haswell is voltage-capped to an extent where the overclock will never be limited by Macho but by system stability.
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Good luck finding a Macho at $40 in Canada lol... good luck finding a Macho at all even.
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The only problem I'm slightly worried about is that officially, the height with fan of the u14s without a fan is 165mm while the HSF clearance on the fractal R4 is 170mm. If theres any difference in measuring systems (I'd assume both are from a CPU IHS to furthest point above it but it's hard to be certain) the foam on the door might have to take a small hit. Other than that though, I don't have much of an issue with grabbing a u14s rather than u12s.
And yeah, the macho is nonexistant in NA pretty much.
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There's not going to be a clearance issue. The U14S is 165mm with the fan.
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fx-8000 not very overclockable. If you're not great, you'll get it to like 4.4 or 4.6 maybe* (which is only a 400-600mhz overclock over the fx-8350, which is pretty much the same cpu - you just buy the 8320 cause it's cheaper and you can OC it to essentially the same)
*Probably not past 4.4 without better cooling? I don't know much about Piledriver overclocking because the "worse" CPU's without as much overclocking headroom never appealed to me
I'm pretty sure that Haswell is voltage-capped to an extent where the overclock will never be limited by Macho but by system stability.
What? My temperatures are hot on my silver arrow, hotter than i'd like. 1.33v was too hot for me to run small fft (with avx disabled) in closed case due to it maxing quite high and temperature creep dragging that up 5c+ if i left cpu at max load in enclosed space (what i am trying to help with better airflow) so if you call like, 1.28v or something around there a voltage limit, then maybe that's true, but haswell will you run hotter than ivy bridge, no?
I've been overclocking for weeks and that just doesn't seem like a very accurate statement. Sin0822 was surprised when i said i'd consider using 1.33v on a silver arrow cause he said he didn't think i would be able to handle the heat with it, that's HT-on though which will add like 8-10c
What kinda volts/temp numbers do you have?
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Sorry for reposting this but it got buried a few pages back with no replies.
On June 22 2013 01:31 ThatGuy101 wrote:
Can anyone help me with a computer build? Don't really know anything about it myself.
What is your budget?
£800-900
What is your resolution?
1440*900, probably replacing monitor at a later date.
What are you using it for?
Gaming, mostly SCII
What is your upgrade cycle?
3 years
When do you plan on building it?
1 or 2 weeks
Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No
Where are you buying your parts from?
Any credible source that delivers to the UK
If anyone can help I would be very grateful.
Can someone help please?
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btw does anyone know how to setup a 2 ssd setup? i feel like my 120gb ssd is not enough and ssds currently are "pretty cheap", at least there are a lot of sales currently running but i ve never had any experience with raid etc so if i get a 250gb ssd to add to my 120gb should i just plug it it just like my normal hdd or do a raid and if how...
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I'd just use it as a regular drive.
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thanks skyr, gonna try that, any hidden gem in the 250gb department as far as ssds are concerned? else i ll just go with another samsung 840
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On June 23 2013 06:58 xasuma wrote:Just making sure my build is well made. Here it is with all of its parts picked http://pcpartpicker.com/p/18R6wAnd here its the case I chose. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005869A7K/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DERI am wondering if someone could give a critical perspective of it, maybe what could/should be replaced by something else. And the one question I have is how overcloackable will it be? (my first amd build so I am not very familiar with their cpu's) Any helpfull comment will help. I just want to make sure to spend my money wisely before I buy. Computer Purpose will be for gaming and general Use. And Hopefully wont need upgrades for a long time. This is the top of my budget. So I cant spend any more than what it says in there. Thank you guys ------------------------------------ I made an optional build just to see what you guys think: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/19f0zIt is about $100 cheaper than the other one. (Changed the cpu, the motherboard, and I did not put an aftermarket fan. (I dont know how overcloackable the cpu is) .
I don't know if you missed Cyro's post since he didn't directly quote you I think, but FX series is actually currently very meh for gaming. It's much better to do an Intel build; you'd be looking at something like what Skyr just posted above (but in USD and from Newegg)... and instead of the 4670k and Z87 motherboard, you could save money with a 4670 and a B85 motherboard.
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On June 22 2013 05:02 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 04:42 xasuma wrote:Hello, I am building a pc with a budget of roughly 650 USD. ( I live in the US) I put some parts together and came up to be about $800. All of the parts are the ones I need. (no case, no keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc) If someone can suggest some changes to it that will lower the price a bit and keep the performance at the highest possible for the price would be appreciate it. Here is the link to the parts. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/18MdkThe pc will be for regular use and casual gaming. If possible I would like the keep the GPU , or at least something very close to it. Thanks. Not much you can bring it down, $510 (before monitor) is a really tight budget for a PC. You can't get a gtx660 in that with a decent CPU. If anything, i'd say add $55 and go for the microcenter 4670k + asus z87-a combo. It's a far superior CPU. You should get 2x4gb RAM (never 1 stick) and try to get something without big heat spreaders attached to the top of it, they are pointless and can get in the way of some things either now, or in the future if you keep the RAM. It's $29.99 after rebate, that's probably what he's going for.
^That was the post in question, refering to your FX build, so you don't have to look for it if you missed it. FX-6300 is a strong budget offering, if you're really trying to cut the pennies you're probably right to take it, but it's a pretty big no if you are looking for the best performance in Starcraft 2 or a few other games - It's good as a cheap cpu, and as budget multithreaded performance, but your singlethreaded performance will suffer for it. You cut cost down pretty well, i think, in the optional build. I wouldn't count on overclocking with FX on a micro-atx board unless you know you can do it
Edit: If you wanted some numbers on singlethreaded performance: The fx-6300 relies on its turbo boost to hit 1.07 on cinebench 11.5, haswell i5 scores ~1.7 at stock and my oc'd haswell (4.7ghz fast ram) hits 2.1, the way sc2 scales i would reasonably expect like 3x as high performance as a stock +turbo boost fx CPU with my system, but it's good for most things. You just have to really watch out for the massive weakness in singlethreaded performance that will kill you in sc2, in skyrim, in planetside 2 and some other games. If either the GPU can stretch its legs on a more graphically demanding title, or a game can utilize 5-6+ cores well (like crysis 3) then you have an awesome, cheap system on your hands, you just have to really watch out for when stuff is CPU bound, but can't utilize all of your cores, so the trick up your sleeve of having weak cores, but having a ton of them for cheap doesn't work any more, that's when you are a bit screwed
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And also for anyone who missed the news:
Ivy bridge-E soldered :D
So Haswell-E will probably be too, we will have 8-cores on enthusiast platform with soldered IHS, and then so much unknown about Skylake, kinda exciting again for the CPU world
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Oh my bad, I didn't realize there were posts on the previous page 
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Processor is last gen, you want a i5 4xxx and there is no reason to get a 2.5" hard drive, grab a Western digital blue or Seagate 3.5". If you aren't overclocking you can leave the cpu cooler out as you get one with the cpu.
Motherboards, you want a b85 or h87 one.
Otherwise pretty good, if you can stretch the budget a little bit then get a Samsung 840 ssd instead of the hard drive.
Edit: Actually a case without usb 3.0 kinda sucks.
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Go for the latest generation. The CPUs are named i5-4xxx instead of 3xxx, the boards are H87/Z87 instead of H77/Z77.
The CPU ships with a cooler in the box, so you don't need to buy a separate aftermarket cooler if you don't overclock.
You might want to add £15 or something and go for the GTX 650 Ti instead of plain 650.
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