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On June 22 2013 06:29 iTzSnypah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2013 20:03 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 12:40 Shikyo wrote:
Hmmm so a quick question. For a Haswell system it'd be beneficial to just go for a 75 euro 8GB 2400 mhz ram kit instead of a ~53 euro 1600 mhz kit? As in it's relatively cost-efficient if I'm planning on OCing? I think so, because of the performance gains. If you can get cas10 or 11 (or even cas12) 2400 kit, you can actually get a notable performance gap. I'l post numbers when i have them. As iTzSnypah said in the post above (i think that's the RAM i linked earlier) 2400 cas11 1.65v RAM for $7 more than cheapest ddr3? That's not even a question. And to the other post, Noctua u12p? You mean u12s or is there a specific reason to get the p? Show nested quote +Whereas the NH-U12S comes equipped with the renowned NF-F12 120mm fan and succeeds the highly popular NH-U12P The u12s and u14s turned some heads, but i don't think i even heard of the u12p in particular, before those versions, are they almost as good or significantly worse? From my brief research the only difference between the S and the P is $3 and a second fan. E: By brief I mean looking at the product pictures. Maybe I should have checked fan numbers.
U12S is the successor to the U12P. Fins are packed tighter and there's an additional heatpipe as well iirc.
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Also, U12P uses some of their older-gen fans, NF-P12s. Those are ones with SSO as opposed to SSO2 bearings. Supposedly the SSO are functionally most akin to standard sleeve bearings, whereas the SSO2 are more like fluid dynamic bearings (so better). Generally their older-gen fans are not considered to be very good; most of the SSO2-based fans are good but overpriced. That is, unless they silently updated what comes in the package.
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Hey, guys. Its me again. Now I have duty to build another PC. If I turn in on, there is just a small warning message: no signal detected. It was OK some days ago. So I presume its GFX that died.
This PC should be cheap as f... possible.  And when I say cheap, means REALLY cheap.
There are some parts that can be reused. Lets start.
CPU: CPU i3-2120 Sockel 1155 --> 107,90 €
MoBo: ASUS P8H61-MX R2.0 --> 46,99 €
GFX: onboard
Sound: onboard
PSU: reused: some lame ass Xilence 500 W
HSF: stock boxed
RAM: G.Skill DIMM 4 GB DDR3-1333 --> 29,99 €
Case: not sure yet whether the old one can be reused (PC was 8 years (sic!) old :D )
SSD: hell no
HDD: reused: 1 x some lame ass 160 GB Maxtor & 1 x some lame ass 200 GB Maxtor
Soft: not official one
Monitor: reused
Keyboard: reused
Mouse: reused
All data from alternate.de PC-configurator.
So 184,55 € just to make it work again as a typewriter.
So I need help with:
#1 cheap case
#2 whether it is possible to lower the price once more.
Thanks in advance, guys.
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If I turn in on, there is just a small warning message: no signal detected. It was OK some days ago.
That's what happens if you turn on the monitor when it's not plugged in.
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A PC that requires electricity? There's your problem.
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Hmm, eletricity? Whats that? A meal or an animal? :o
No, guys, seriously..
When i turn the PC on, BIOS is loading, the Windows starts to load, then there appear 9 x 5 big squares on the monitor. First blue then red. Then PC restarts on itself with the message: no signal detected. But after restart nothing works: not Windows, not BIOS ... nothing. Sometimes the PC doesnt even start.
So, either MoBo or GFX or both. So, do I need a new PC? I guess so.
Edit: btw, the Windows will be 32-bit one. So I will need max of 2 GB RAM.
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32-bit XP can still make use of 3.5GB RAM. I don't know if I could go back to using 2GB for anything.
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On June 22 2013 07:44 Craton wrote:
32-bit XP can still make use of 3.5GB RAM. I don't know if I could go back to using 2GB for anything.
Didnt know this. Thanks for info.
Ye, Windows Xp SP3 will be installed.
2 questiones still remaining.
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As an addendum, you CAN put 4gb in there, it will just only recognize about 3.5GB; you don't have to do some weird configuration to get exactly 3.5gb.
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SO MUCH RAGE
I spent days dancing around x264 stability. It's so silly - I primed for 14 hours with 7000MB ram, error checking and rounding, above normal priority, no whea's - and then started x264, and failed in 12 seconds
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lol, yea never think u r stable -_- just happend to me in the most lol way and had to recheck my whole oc and test again throu half the night cuz that didnt let me sleep
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Been overclocking for 2 weeks (literally), cant do shit hahahahaha
Well, 80% of the results for 20% of the effort here, and there was surprisingly little info when i started. Done bios update now and trying new approaches. I'l make sure i get the best results possible
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Alright so I just picked up a pretty good paying job that starts in a month or so but I figured that it'd be worthwhile to investigate options for now since intel just released haswell.
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/190i0
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ NCIX)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.20 @ TigerDirect Canada)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($119.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($163.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($154.75 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($204.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($109.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $1342.88
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-22 04:36 EDT-0400)
I'm not particularly worried about the pricing since I can source the parts for cheaper than displayed in most cases.
The processor is mostly set in stone but I'd like some advice/comments regarding the following:
Cooler: I like the idea of exhausting directly out the back of the case which allows me to keep most vents closed on the fractal R4 without sacrificing too much in the way of cooling performance. Can't do that with an air cooler so I figured I might as well invest in a good quality prebuilt water cooler.
Motherboard: Mainly looking for a good quality one suitable for minor overclocking - 4.2-4.4 ghz or so, nothing special. Are there any motherboards out there that are similar/better in quality for lower/equal prices?
RAM - The applications I run aren't really memory speed constrained, only capacity. I'd prefer to remain on 2x8gb to allow for future expansion unless there's a pressing reason to get 4x4gb. Solid brands are corsair/gskill/mushkin?
Storage - HDDs are stupidly expensive ever since Thailand got flooded. Regardless, the HDD is pretty solid unless Seagate is cheaper. As for the SSD, I'm looking for a 180gb+ SSD, raw speed doesn't matter so much as reliability and pricing since I just want an SSD for program responsiveness, not really speed. 250gb is slightly larger than I'm looking for but it has been out for a while and doesn't have issues as far as I can tell.
Video Card - I'm primarily concerned with idle/low load noise levels and a price point between 200-299 or so. I'm don't have much loyalty towards AMD or nvidia, just to value so I'm open to suggestions as long as there are at least two video outputs (preferably dvi/hdmi).
Case - Not much to say, I like the design/look more than I like the antec p18x/28x's
PSU - Probably overkill. Doing a rough guesstimate, the power savings of a gold vs bronze for me are in the neighbourhood of $3-5 a year or ~$5-7 with a platinum PSU, enough to justify going gold for me with the quality increase from going gold. (guesstimate 150-250w avg, 14hr/day, 365/year, 8c/kW) Mainly looking for low noise high reliability. The only other PSU that caught my eye was the antec earthwatts which I couldn't find on pcpartpicker
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=66083&vpn=EA-550 Platinum&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1305
is probably the model I'd get. Not modular but not much of a problem since I'd be using both most of the cables provided and have no plans to expand further.
I'll continue to do research on my own but I'd love suggestions that could help narrow down my choices.
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DO NOT buy a CLC. They are the biggest ripoff ever and the only reason they perform decent is they have jet planes for fans. I suggest Noctua U12S.
Get 8GB of ram (2x4gb). No reason for more unless you are a professional photoshopper / run lots of VMs.
Don't waste money on a WD Black drive for storage. Blacks are noisy and overpriced. Go WD Blue or Seagate Barracuda.
Stay away from XFX 7000 series, the cooler is compromised (unless they fixed it, which I doubt).
The PSU is meh, just get the Rosewill Capstone 450 for a lot less.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6916/cooler-master-seidon-240m-and-12-more-coolers-the-retest-and-megaroundup/6
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I typed a response, guess i didnt post it, but h80i is indeed trash.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPSGh26Ne0XdHZweHoxckRqazBvM0RTMW5GSFZNRmc#gid=0
^you're looking at h80i pull numbers, not push/pull
Its performance is really bad compared to midrange air, it has some of the worst price/performance ratio available, it's really loud. Why don't you want a couple of case fans? A u12s with a few case fans will make almost no noise compared to a throttled up clc, while beating it by something like 15c in a realistic enviroment (simulating a test bench by using 2-4 decent but quiet case fans, not a greenhouse by boxing it into a completely sealed closed case with 0 airflow)
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On June 22 2013 18:31 Lmui wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Alright so I just picked up a pretty good paying job that starts in a month or so but I figured that it'd be worthwhile to investigate options for now since intel just released haswell. http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/190i0PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / BenchmarksCPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ NCIX) CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.20 @ TigerDirect Canada) Motherboard: Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.99 @ NCIX) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($119.99 @ Canada Computers) Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($163.99 @ Newegg Canada) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($154.75 @ Vuugo) Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($204.99 @ NCIX) Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Memory Express) Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($109.99 @ Amazon Canada) Total: $1342.88 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-22 04:36 EDT-0400)I'm not particularly worried about the pricing since I can source the parts for cheaper than displayed in most cases. The processor is mostly set in stone but I'd like some advice/comments regarding the following: Cooler: I like the idea of exhausting directly out the back of the case which allows me to keep most vents closed on the fractal R4 without sacrificing too much in the way of cooling performance. Can't do that with an air cooler so I figured I might as well invest in a good quality prebuilt water cooler. Motherboard: Mainly looking for a good quality one suitable for minor overclocking - 4.2-4.4 ghz or so, nothing special. Are there any motherboards out there that are similar/better in quality for lower/equal prices? RAM - The applications I run aren't really memory speed constrained, only capacity. I'd prefer to remain on 2x8gb to allow for future expansion unless there's a pressing reason to get 4x4gb. Solid brands are corsair/gskill/mushkin? Storage - HDDs are stupidly expensive ever since Thailand got flooded. Regardless, the HDD is pretty solid unless Seagate is cheaper. As for the SSD, I'm looking for a 180gb+ SSD, raw speed doesn't matter so much as reliability and pricing since I just want an SSD for program responsiveness, not really speed. 250gb is slightly larger than I'm looking for but it has been out for a while and doesn't have issues as far as I can tell. Video Card - I'm primarily concerned with idle/low load noise levels and a price point between 200-299 or so. I'm don't have much loyalty towards AMD or nvidia, just to value so I'm open to suggestions as long as there are at least two video outputs (preferably dvi/hdmi). Case - Not much to say, I like the design/look more than I like the antec p18x/28x's PSU - Probably overkill. Doing a rough guesstimate, the power savings of a gold vs bronze for me are in the neighbourhood of $3-5 a year or ~$5-7 with a platinum PSU, enough to justify going gold for me with the quality increase from going gold. (guesstimate 150-250w avg, 14hr/day, 365/year, 8c/kW) Mainly looking for low noise high reliability. The only other PSU that caught my eye was the antec earthwatts which I couldn't find on pcpartpicker http://ncix.com/products/?sku=66083&vpn=EA-550 Platinum&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1305is probably the model I'd get. Not modular but not much of a problem since I'd be using both most of the cables provided and have no plans to expand further. I'll continue to do research on my own but I'd love suggestions that could help narrow down my choices.
I don't think Noctua's new U12S and U14S are available in Canada yet but ya.. to echo what everyone else said. H80i is shit in terms of performance per dollar, its only saving grace is its Corsair. And also it doesn't make sense what you said "exhausting directly air out the back" when you totally neglected the GPU in this aspect. I'd imagine you would hinder your H80i doing this since the radiator mounted at the back would also be pulling the hot air from your GPU.
The Antec Earthwatts Platinum is not great, it gets beat by a lot of Gold rated units and Corsair HX is one of them iirc. Its Platinum efficiency is rated at 23c, it drops to gold efficiency once you hit the higher temperatures. The Rosewill Capstone 450 would be the best choice if you're concerned about performance per dollar. If not then higher premium units would include the Seasonic Platinum and Corsair AX units.
Both the Gigabyte Z87X-D3H and MSI Z87 G45 Gaming would be similar or better than the Z87-A
No reason to get a Caviar Black for a storage drive as already mentioned. Seagate will always be less expensive than Western Digital because most (all) their consumer drives carry a one year warranty whereas Western Digital provides a five year warranty on their Black drives (reason why you would pay extra for it) and a two year warranty for their Blues and Green drives. If it's just for storage, you'll probably want a Green unless those extra years of warranty means something to you. Oh, if you're concerned about noise, the Caviar Black is a loud drive.
2x8gb is preferred over 4x4gb yes. G.Skill, Corsair, and Mushkin are all good.
XFX not known for their heatsinks being good. Stick with the tried and true heatsinks like MSI's Twin Frozr, Gigabyte Windforce, ASUS DirectCuII, or Sapphire's Dual-X. With that said, most GPUs are practically inaudible at idle if you set the fan speed to 40%.
And not sure what you mean by source but if you mean you have connections then I'd get the core i7 3770k for ~$60 rather than waste an extra ~$200 for a core i5 4670k.
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Thanks for the quick responses guys
Scratch the CLC I guess and maybe pick up an additional case fan or two if absolutely necessary I guess. The Fractal R4 comes with a frontal intake/rear exhaust and I think I'd get one more at most as an intake. U12s does seem pretty good, exceptionally good looking at the noise levels. Sold.
I do need 16gb of RAM, I('m going to) work with rather large datasets and if it doesn't fit completely in memory it costs significant amounts of time to page from the HDD. -- see edit
I'll try Seagate I guess, can't really go wrong since most things will run off the SSD. Just have to hope that windows is smart with paging if stuff spills out of RAM (Have to assume it is).
+ Show Spoiler +Nothing against the rosewill, It's very good (esp according to the anandtech review) but with shipping, it's within spitting distance of what I can get the antec for in terms of price. It's worth considering though, thanks for the suggestion.
edit: ^ Thanks skyR. Price is a factor but I'll earn enough that I'm willing to pay a bit of a premium for better parts. Probably going to stick with the corsair then, most of the platinums besides the antec are outside what I'd consider reasonable.
Hard drives are going to need a deeper look than I originally thought as well
By source I mean buy from a large retailer at close to/at wholesale prices. I can't get stuff THAT cheap =(.
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The Corsair HX650 is a very good unit though you should be aware that there are numerous reports regarding the fan making clicking (upon starting and stopping) and chirping sounds.
The Rosewill Capstone is a Superflower Golden Green so performance is similar (probably better) to that of the Corsair HX which is a Seasonic G.
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Anyone else building/ocing haswell?
I'm making some progress here
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/utIqrlg.png) Could probably encode fine with a bit less vcore. Just like i should have been able to do in the first place - hopefully i can get 4.7 up, finally (:
My 4770k is a Malaysia L310 batch which i hear is pretty good
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On June 22 2013 19:59 Lmui wrote:
U12s does seem pretty good, exceptionally good looking at the noise levels. Sold.
I looked at ncix.ca, and they also have the U14S for $10 more. I'd rather take that one over the U12S as the price is already expensive in any case. There's a Zalman CNPS12x for $50 "after rebate" and "weekly special" for the next few days. That deal would be the best, I bet.
EDIT: Browsing around for reviews, xbitlabs.com mentioned the CNPS12x's fans made some kind of rustling noise at very low speeds, which disappeared when increasing speed. I'd be worried about noise as the cooler has three fans. There's a larger CNPS14x which seems to be engineered around a similar idea but only has a single fan in the middle position. No idea how good that one is, but the price is very good.
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