EPTwould you recommend modular for a first time build?
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KapsyL
Sweden704 Posts
would you recommend modular for a first time build? | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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Johnnycashew
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Original build suggestion: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/15UPq The new one I'm looking at: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Johnnycashew/saved/1Qdo (The memory says purchased // $0.00 because it comes with that specific motherboard free) I'm also wondering if the current GC I have there is better than this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202035 (For comparison, the one I have chosen now is below) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125451 Thanks for input/help, I appreciate it! EDIT: I plan on overclocking and having the system Crossfire ready, just thought I would mention. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
That Zalman is shit. A low profile design doesn't compete with a radiator design, you're only suppose to using low-profile heatsinks in something like an ITX build, and even then lots of ITX cases support radiator heatsinks. It also uses direct touch with a measly count of two heatpipes which is worse than a copper base and worse than a $30 Hyper 212. For overclocking Haswell, I think the recommended heatsinks nowadays would be the Thermalright Macho, Noctua NH-U12S, or similar at $50+. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
Look for maybe Zalman CNPS14x (newegg.com), or Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev.A (on amazon.com), or CM Hyper 212 Evo (that one's weaker). pcpartpicker seems to find a deal for $50 for Zalman CNPS12x, which would be neat, but there's also some kind of rebate for CNPS14x on newegg.com (also us.ncix.com $30). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
If you're spending $350+ on CPU and mobo to overclock, i doto get that 6970, with 7850 having games bundle with it, probably being more power efficient (i dont know amd GPU architectures very well) which is everything for multi-gpu 6970 also appears to be triple slot? Which is much harder to work with for multi gpun't think it's worth getting low end cooler, it's just part of the deal with ivy/haswell to get something decent if you're investing in overclocking. If broadwell or skylake brings back some "spend $20 on a cpu cooler and clock from 3.3 to 4.8ghz" it would be really sweet but intel seems insistent on not using solder on their smaller die's so they'd have to do a lot of work to make that happen, and i don't really trust them with advancing overclocking performance significantly | ||
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FkinAllen
United States13 Posts
On June 25 2013 18:27 FkinAllen wrote: Hey TL, this is my first post, sorry if i screw up any formatting issues. Im looking to build my first PC and i would love some help. What is your budget? 1000~ i assume ill have to dish out another few hundred 1300 is my limit What is your resolution? 1920 X 1080 What are you using it for? SC2>, and maybe some bf4 when it comes out. Edit: lots of movies too, not sure if that factors into anything. (thats why i put that sound card on my list, let me know if that is a good choice or not) What is your upgrade cycle? this is my first build so i imagine ill be good for some time. Ill upgrade next time there is a big jump in cpu performance. When do you plan on building it? when ever im 100% happy with all the parts Do you plan on overclocking? i think in time yes this will be something i want to do. Do you need an Operating System? yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? yes, (i have little to no understanding on modern gpu's and their capabilities) Where are you buying your parts from? i have a microcenter near me, as well as new egg possibly. let me know what you guys think. I really want to be able to run sc2 as max as possible and really make use of the new physics in HOTS Completely forgot to add the pcpartpicker url http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1a2TQ | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Get 2x4gb RAM, not 1x8gb You can get a cx430 for single GPU, or something like a rosewill capstone 650 if you want to crossfire and invest in psu, and also i hear (haha, i hear) that many z87 boards have great onboard audio, might not be neccesary for you to get soundcard unless you are an enthusiast You probably (almost certainly) want to take money from i7<i5 and maybe a few dollars from other parts to get a stronger GPU if you want to play battlefield 4 etc | ||
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FkinAllen
United States13 Posts
On June 26 2013 09:33 Cyro wrote: Why ivy bridge build instead of Haswell? Get 2x4gb RAM, not 1x8gb You can get a cx430 for single GPU, or something like a rosewill capstone 650 if you want to crossfire and invest in psu, and also i hear (haha, i hear) that many z87 boards have great onboard audio, might not be neccesary for you to get soundcard unless you are an enthusiast i figured since i can get an i7 ivy bridge for 50 extra than i would an haswell i5, better going with the ivy bridge. Considering that I've read haswell isn't that much of an improvement. Any particular ram you suggest? Also I'm not sure about the motherboard, it is part of a bundle on microcenter.com. Oh and also i read that the new gpu's this year are just the same ones as the last couple of years just tweaked a bit. i wanted to buy a decent one know and wait till something big comes out next year. and really dish out the cash. Kinda why i figured id spend the bit more on the i7 now. bad logic on my part? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
The gtx770 and 760 are rebranded, cheaper models. Not sure what's up with AMD, i heard they were releasing new cards in a month but i dont think that's the high end stuff that everyone was raving about before Haswell does help, it's slightly hotter (only a bit.. there's lots of misinformation about temperatures, for example people testing them in a stress test that uses AVX instructions while adaptive voltage is enabled, made even more confusing by the fact that the manual setting is actually adaptive on many motherboards, and the way that adaptive overvolts with avx instructions and murders your temperatures) Performance wise though in most cases it's 5-10% better, in some it's quite a bit more. Haswell i5 is im pretty sure cooler than ivy i7 (ht adds heat), and slightly more likely to be able to clock higher because of the finer control of uncore, the integrated voltage regulator etc. 7870 is only a mid tier GPU, i mean above it there's many performance tiers, bf4 benchmarks were released showing it was really demanding at max settings. If you wanted to get a GPU to replace in a year, i'd look at 7770 or 7850 maybe, if not, then something stronger with haswell i5 if you can do it. You should be able to pull money towards that from i7 to i5, and also: If you don't know if you need a sound card, you don't need a sound card | ||
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FkinAllen
United States13 Posts
On June 26 2013 09:50 Cyro wrote: i7 helps battlefield 3/4, but not by much, HT isn't much use in general for gaming The gtx770 and 760 are rebranded, cheaper models. Not sure what's up with AMD, i heard they were releasing new cards in a month but i dont think that's the high end stuff that everyone was raving about before Haswell does help, it's slightly hotter (only a bit.. there's lots of misinformation about temperatures, for example people testing them in a stress test that uses AVX instructions while adaptive voltage is enabled, made even more confusing by the fact that the manual setting is actually adaptive on many motherboards, and the way that adaptive overvolts with avx instructions and murders your temperatures) Performance wise though in most cases it's 5-10% better, in some it's quite a bit more. Haswell i5 is im pretty sure cooler than ivy i7 (ht adds heat), and slightly more likely to be able to clock higher because of the finer control of uncore, the integrated voltage regulator etc. 7870 is only a mid tier GPU, i mean above it there's many performance tiers, bf4 benchmarks were released showing it was really demanding at max settings. If you wanted to get a GPU to replace in a year, i'd look at 7770 or 7850 maybe, if not, then something stronger with haswell i5 if you can do it. You should be able to pull money towards that from i7 to i5, and also: If you don't know if you need a sound card, you don't need a sound card so if it was your build and you had 1200 budget, what would you do. considering bf4 wont be out for awhile and i don't mind (i expect lol) dishing out cash later for an upgrade. | ||
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FkinAllen
United States13 Posts
On June 26 2013 09:43 skyR wrote: An i7 does nothing for you in gaming so it doesn't make sense to throw $50 away when a Haswell is going to be slightly better than it in gaming. Even when it comes to the new physics of the game, i thought i read somewhere that the physics is determined byt the cpu more than anything. | ||
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Johnnycashew
16 Posts
On June 26 2013 09:23 skyR wrote: The low-end ASUS boards aren't particularly good at regular pricing. A Gigabyte Z77X-D3H is significantly better then it for the same price. Of course you trade in the free 8gb of memory for a 10% off instead. That Zalman is shit. A low profile design doesn't compete with a radiator design, you're only suppose to using low-profile heatsinks in something like an ITX build, and even then lots of ITX cases support radiator heatsinks. It also uses direct touch with a measly count of two heatpipes which is worse than a copper base and worse than a $30 Hyper 212. For overclocking Haswell, I think the recommended heatsinks nowadays would be the Thermalright Macho, Noctua NH-U12S, or similar at $50+. On June 26 2013 09:28 Cyro wrote: Why did you pick that cooler? I've never heard of it before If you're spending $350+ on CPU and mobo to overclock, i doto get that 6970, with 7850 having games bundle with it, probably being more power efficient (i dont know amd GPU architectures very well) which is everything for multi-gpu 6970 also appears to be triple slot? Which is much harder to work with for multi gpun't think it's worth getting low end cooler, it's just part of the deal with ivy/haswell to get something decent if you're investing in overclocking. If broadwell or skylake brings back some "spend $20 on a cpu cooler and clock from 3.3 to 4.8ghz" it would be really sweet but intel seems insistent on not using solder on their smaller die's so they'd have to do a lot of work to make that happen, and i don't really trust them with advancing overclocking performance significantly I switched back to the 7850 and got the Zalman CNPS14X. The Gigabyte Z77X-D3H isn't compatible with the current build, unless I have a configuration that matches price and performance that uses that I will just go back to the Z87-A and spend money on RAM. At least that's what I'm understanding, unless doto is some kind of code word somehow and not a typo. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On June 26 2013 09:56 FkinAllen wrote: so if it was your build and you had 1200 budget, what would you do. considering bf4 wont be out for awhile and i don't mind (i expect lol) dishing out cash later for an upgrade. I'd try to fit something in with Microcenter 4670k, a decent but cheap z87 board, 2x4gb RAM (2200-2400mhz if available cas12 or below lower is better IF NOT MUCH ADDED PRICE, else just get 1600) a samsung 840 120gb ssd (maybe 250?) A good mid or high range air cooler, and see how much that costs, what is left over for gpu etc | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On June 26 2013 10:02 Johnnycashew wrote: I switched back to the 7850 and got the Zalman CNPS14X. The Gigabyte Z77X-D3H isn't compatible with the current build, unless I have a configuration that matches price and performance that uses that I will just go back to the Z87-A and spend money on RAM. At least that's what I'm understanding, unless doto is some kind of code word somehow and not a typo. I messed up my post sorry, it was supposed to say "I don't think it's worth it to get low end cooler" etc and then some more before saying it's probably not worth to get 6970 | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On June 26 2013 09:56 FkinAllen wrote: so if it was your build and you had 1200 budget, what would you do. considering bf4 wont be out for awhile and i don't mind (i expect lol) dishing out cash later for an upgrade. You can sell your used graphics card on ebay or something when needed. Go with an i5-4670k and Z87 board. The money for the sound card, you could instead use to look through the feature list of the different motherboards, looking for better audio and an "EM shield" thingy separating the corner with audio from the rest of the board. You could put off overclocking for now, would not need to buy a cooler until needed. | ||
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Johnnycashew
16 Posts
On June 26 2013 10:08 Cyro wrote: I messed up my post sorry, it was supposed to say "I don't think it's worth it to get low end cooler" etc and then some more before saying it's probably not worth to get 6970 Yea I figured as much from what I read afterwards. So this is the updated build I have in mind if I went for the Gigabyte MB: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Johnnycashew/saved/1QeI I had to go for a cheaper/less powerful (I think?) CPU to be compatible with the Gigabyte. Thoughts? It's about 40 dollars cheaper to go with the Gigabyte/3570k rather than the Asus/4670k. The Zalman should be included in that price, I just couldn't find it on partpicker. (So + 54.99) | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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