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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 01:40:29
June 26 2013 01:38 GMT
#31201
@Johnnycashew:

If you chose the CNPS14x, I've seen it at http://us.ncix.com for $40.

I feel bad about the older CPU instead of the 4670k, but I don't know if it's worth it for $40. I would probably try very hard to hunt for some kind of deal with Z87.

You can also save money on the case, choose a much cheaper one, but I don't know what to suggest.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Johnnycashew
Profile Joined January 2013
16 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 01:49:03
June 26 2013 01:48 GMT
#31202
On June 26 2013 10:33 skyR wrote:
I meant to say the Z87X-D3H doh.


Haha, so with that in mind here is a revised version of my build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Johnnycashew/saved/1Qg4

This is another tower I am looking at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353009

NOW for some thoughts? Thanks!

@Ropid

Newegg has a $20 mail in on the CNPS14x.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 26 2013 02:19 GMT
#31203
Get a Samsung 840 instead of the 840 Pro unless you care about the significantly better sequential writes or the two extra years of warranty that the Pro has.
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
June 26 2013 02:27 GMT
#31204
Current computer's CPU got fried, looking for some help

What is your budget?
$600-700

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?
DOTA2 and other gaming mostly

What is your upgrade cycle?
3-5 years maybe?

When do you plan on building it?
in the next few weeks or so

Do you plan on overclocking?
No

Do you need an Operating System?
Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No

Where are you buying your parts from?
Anybody online, locally fry's (i live in california)

much appreciated for any and all help
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Johnnycashew
Profile Joined January 2013
16 Posts
June 26 2013 03:28 GMT
#31205
On June 26 2013 11:27 Kraznaya wrote:
Current computer's CPU got fried, looking for some help

What is your budget?
$600-700

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?
DOTA2 and other gaming mostly

What is your upgrade cycle?
3-5 years maybe?

When do you plan on building it?
in the next few weeks or so

Do you plan on overclocking?
No

Do you need an Operating System?
Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No

Where are you buying your parts from?
Anybody online, locally fry's (i live in california)

much appreciated for any and all help


I would like to assume that your optical(s) are still in tact, as well as your other peripherals, as that could effect the choices to be made. I'm not great at computers but this would be my idea for a system assuming only the CPU was fried:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1al16

You can just keygen an OS and save yourself 100$, and if your case is reusable you can save more money, but like I said I'm no expert.

I'm sure I'll get some kind of wall of text telling me how wrong I am and how I made some terrible choices, but hey I have the disclaimer.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
June 26 2013 03:30 GMT
#31206
Keygenned OS generally means you do not have access to any kind of windows updates which is a pretty big deal.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
June 26 2013 03:35 GMT
#31207
I keygenned my OS cause it wouldn't let me activate with new motherboard and got all updates fine
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
June 26 2013 04:28 GMT
#31208
How did you pass activation?
twitch.tv/cratonz
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 26 2013 05:12 GMT
#31209
Guys, I am gonna get a new rig... it just happened that my dad wants a "new rig" too and he is willing to take mine.... so here we go.

I have assembled computers before, but I am barely literate in computer hardware otherwise. I only have a vague idea of what I want, but I do have a pretty generous budget. I will most likely buy the parts from NCIX.

What is your budget?

1500ish CAD.

What is your resolution?

1080p is probably fine. I am not sure about something that is even higher.

What are you using it for?

Mostly gaming. Might use it for some streaming but I don't plan to go beyond 720p for streaming. Preferably I want to be able to play at 60FPS at max setting for the recent games for the next a couple of years (some MMO games... I don't care about SC2).

What is your upgrade cycle?

Probably 3-5 years.

When do you plan on building it?

Within a month... unless there is something coming up soon (but beyond a month), in which case I am willing to wait a bit.

Do you plan on overclocking?

I am guessing yes... with my budget I can definitely get the components that will allow me to overclock somewhat. I have never done it before and it'll be fun!

Do you need an Operating System?

No, I will be moving my older OS while my dad installs his on my old rig.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Probably no.

Where are you buying your parts from?

NCIX or newegg.ca. I strongly prefer NCIX.

Note: I don't need HDD nor monitor. I do want a SSD for the OS and stuff. I also do not need accessories such as mouse, keyboard, etc.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 26 2013 05:40 GMT
#31210
NCIX has weekly sales every Wednesday and other retailers have sales as well so you should narrow down your purchase date and then come back to ask. Otherwise you're going to end up getting a configuration which may be good this week but may be $200 more expensive in the following weeks due to pricing changes or may not be the best choices anymore because other components went on sale.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 26 2013 06:03 GMT
#31211
On June 26 2013 14:40 skyR wrote:
NCIX has weekly sales every Wednesday and other retailers have sales as well so you should narrow down your purchase date and then come back to ask. Otherwise you're going to end up getting a configuration which may be good this week but may be $200 more expensive in the following weeks due to pricing changes or may not be the best choices anymore because other components went on sale.


Well it's Wednesday now... I'll take a look and do some homework myself, I guess.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 26 2013 06:08 GMT
#31212
The new sale starts at 6pm pst.
Medivac
Profile Joined August 2012
United States15 Posts
June 26 2013 07:55 GMT
#31213
I got everything last week and put it all together this week, thanks to everyone in this thread that helped. There's a couple of pics and a little more info in this link http://pcpartpicker.com/b/CNi

+ Show Spoiler +
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/16Bi1
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/16Bi1/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/16Bi1/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI B85M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($71.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($100.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($209.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($21.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VG23AH 23.0" Monitor ($187.58 @ Newegg)
Total: $1010.48
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-26 03:54 EDT-0400)

I paid $193 for that GPU with shipping, dunno why pcpartpicker is changing it.


I'm idling at about 49°C in BIOS with the stock heatsink. Is that too high?
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
June 26 2013 08:13 GMT
#31214
When the CPU runs at reduced speed at idle, that's actually done by Windows, not something the CPU or board decides to do. In the BIOS, if it behaves a bit like my Ivy Bridge, it will stay at full speed and high voltage. I could imagine those 49 C being normal for the stock cooler with the top speed CPU, but you should see lower temperature when it's clocked down in Windows at idle.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Medivac
Profile Joined August 2012
United States15 Posts
June 26 2013 08:17 GMT
#31215
On June 26 2013 17:13 Ropid wrote:
When the CPU runs at reduced speed at idle, that's actually done by Windows, not something the CPU or board decides to do. In the BIOS, if it behaves a bit like my Ivy Bridge, it will stay at full speed and high voltage. I could imagine those 49 C being normal for the stock cooler with the top speed CPU, but you should see lower temperature when it's clocked down in Windows at idle.


Ah yes the clock rate is 3.5ghz in BIOS, which is full speed. When I get home I'll test the idle and load speeds with Windows running. Thanks!
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
June 26 2013 08:34 GMT
#31216
Hey, on partpicker, you write something about RAID and IDE options in the BIOS. Where you've set it to "IDE", there should be "AHCI" available. IDE is a legacy option as Windows XP can't use AHCI, but IDE is missing commands like "trim". Windows uses that to tell the SSD what blocks are empty. That's important for the SSD. It needs that to keep its speed up over time.

If you installed that "Samsung Magician" software, it will have a warning if AHCI is off. There's also a way to check if AHCI is on at a command prompt window.

If you installed Windows with AHCI off, you should google for how to prepare Windows to work with a change to it (it requires a setting in the registry), then switch from IDE to AHCI in the BIOS.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Medivac
Profile Joined August 2012
United States15 Posts
June 26 2013 08:44 GMT
#31217
On June 26 2013 17:34 Ropid wrote:
Hey, on partpicker, you write something about RAID and IDE options in the BIOS. Where you've set it to "IDE", there should be "AHCI" available. IDE is a legacy option as Windows XP can't use AHCI, but IDE is missing commands like "trim". Windows uses that to tell the SSD what blocks are empty. That's important for the SSD. It needs that to keep its speed up over time.

If you installed that "Samsung Magician" software, it will have a warning if AHCI is off. There's also a way to check if AHCI is on at a command prompt window.

If you installed Windows with AHCI off, you should google for how to prepare Windows to work with a change to it (it requires a setting in the registry), then switch from IDE to AHCI in the BIOS.


AHCI is off and I installed Samsung Magician, I don't remember seeing a warning in it though. According to their manual, that particular mobo doesn't support AHCI/RAID, or doesn't after a certain update. Here's a link to the manual http://us.msi.com/product/mb/B85M-P33.html#/?div=Manual

If I go in and change the registry and stuff to get AHCI to work, will it work since the manufacturer says the mobo doesn't support RAID?
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 09:09:16
June 26 2013 09:07 GMT
#31218
From what I can find, it seems if you turn on Intel's RAID, you also automatically turn on AHCI, but AHCI vs. IDE is still a separate issue if RAID is off.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 09:48:42
June 26 2013 09:48 GMT
#31219
On June 26 2013 06:54 Ropid wrote:
You don't need modular in a normal case. There's room behind the motherboard, and that's where you can hide all unused cables. They won't harm air flow or be visible through a case window.


ok so a modular psu is just a waste of money then. a cx500 80+ bronze will suffice for single gpu & haswell oc?
Jurg Jurg Jurg
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 11:55:56
June 26 2013 11:53 GMT
#31220
On June 26 2013 09:31 FkinAllen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 18:27 FkinAllen wrote:
Hey TL, this is my first post, sorry if i screw up any formatting issues. Im looking to build my first PC and i would love some help.

What is your budget?
1000~ i assume ill have to dish out another few hundred 1300 is my limit

What is your resolution?
1920 X 1080

What are you using it for?
SC2>, and maybe some bf4 when it comes out.
Edit: lots of movies too, not sure if that factors into anything. (thats why i put that sound card on my list, let me know if that is a good choice or not)

What is your upgrade cycle?
this is my first build so i imagine ill be good for some time. Ill upgrade next time there is a big jump in cpu performance.

When do you plan on building it?
when ever im 100% happy with all the parts

Do you plan on overclocking?
i think in time yes this will be something i want to do.

Do you need an Operating System?
yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
yes, (i have little to no understanding on modern gpu's and their capabilities)

Where are you buying your parts from?
i have a microcenter near me, as well as new egg possibly.



let me know what you guys think. I really want to be able to run sc2 as max as possible and really make use of the new physics in HOTS



Completely forgot to add the pcpartpicker url
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1a2TQ

Just wanted to chime in that the DSX doesn't have a headphone amp, it's designed for surround sound systems.

With sound cards, if you're not big into audio and with headphones < $100 I'd see if the onboard sounds 'fine' to you, chances are a soundcard won't make much difference if it already sounds good to you.
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