EPTAnd sorry, Jugan, i was just going to talk about overclocking etc but i can't even really remember what i was going to say, do you have any questions?
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
And sorry, Jugan, i was just going to talk about overclocking etc but i can't even really remember what i was going to say, do you have any questions? | ||
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FakePseudo
Belgium716 Posts
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On May 18 2013 20:55 Cyro wrote: I also heard that the 840 was inferior to the 830, from several different sources (OCN and belial said it a few times, at least) And sorry, Jugan, i was just going to talk about overclocking etc but i can't even really remember what i was going to say, do you have any questions? Well I as talking to my friend (who knows a little, but not as much as you guys) and he said a few things to me. First, he mentioned (like you guys said) that games like SC2, dota2, magic, and hex care more about the CPU than the GPU so he recommended investing in a really good CPU. He also said he didn't know much about overclocking, except it improves performance drastically if done right (which is what I'm looking for), but is risky and kind of luck of the draw (especially depending on HSF). So I'm going to get the right specs to overclock, and then try to research into how exactly to overclock my rig properly before I actually do it. My main concern is longevity and performance. I don't want to burn out my rig after only a short period of time, but I also wanna do some streaming while not effecting performance. So I'm guessing OC will help with that if I'm understanding correctly? Of course, I want to keep cost as low as possible without running into any performance or heating issues as well. I'm going to head to bed, but when I wake up I'm going head back here for more input and start mapping out which parts I want to use. Thanks again for all of your help!  | ||
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AksakTimur
11 Posts
What is your budget? No real limits, but I guess somewhere between 1000-1500 € What is your resolution? 1920x1080 What are you using it for? Gaming/recreational. Dota2 as the crack, with all kinds of SP-games thrown in for change. Haven't bee able to play Metro: Last Light yet because of the PC crying for mercy when I try. What is your upgrade cycle? 3-4 years. Something that's good right now and will still be usable after some years. Just hitting the min requirements after 4 years is fine. When do you plan on building it? In a few weeks. Would like to get it done before the summer holidays. Do you plan on overclocking? No. Do you need an Operating System? No, got a new win7. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Not sure. Where are you buying your parts from? Finland/EU online stores. I have been looking at some hardware, and from what I've seen, the Intel Core i7-3820 LGA2011 seems like a good choice for CPU. For GPU, something that can run two monitors (but I suppose that's the standard nowadays). I guess 16 GB ram is enough, and at least one SSD drive for OS/other important stuff. | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
8GB RAM is plenty, especially as RAM prices have rocketed in the past few months. As for single GPUs, AMD have nVidia beaten for price at all your potential pricepoints for that budget. AMD apparently have some serious issues with Metro Last Light currently, hopefully that can be fixed with drivers (apparently the game has tonnes of issues though, for multi-mointor users, too, for example). Overclock. For that kind of money. Just. Do. It. 30 percent gains which are seen in full when playing games like SC2. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
I have been looking at some hardware, and from what I've seen, the Intel Core i7-3820 LGA2011 seems like a good choice for CPU I am legitimately curious how you could come to that conclusion, please explain? I mean i can understand people thinking i7 is a stronger CPU, but lga2011? And GTX780, releasing in 5 days - is 500 euro. Titan is only ~15% better than it. I think Nvidia wins here. AMD has nothing on it until their new line of GPU's release, at best, later this year. And actually with OC, i would expect closer to 35% gains, and sc2 scales better than linear for minimum FPS with CPU strengh, so 35% stronger CPU can mean like 50% higher minimums, many other games do the same, but with anything CPU bound you usually get at least linear or close to linear performance improvements | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
On May 19 2013 01:32 Cyro wrote: I am legitimately curious how you could come to that conclusion, please explain? I mean i can understand people thinking i7 is a stronger CPU, but lga2011? And GTX780, releasing in 5 days - is 500 euro. Titan is only ~15% better than it. I think Nvidia wins here. AMD has nothing on it until their new line of GPU's release, at best, later this year. And actually with OC, i would expect closer to 35% gains, and sc2 scales better than linear for minimum FPS with CPU strengh, so 35% stronger CPU can mean like 50% higher minimums, many other games do the same, but with anything CPU bound you usually get at least linear or close to linear performance improvements Is that for sure, 500 euro? I'm not absolutely up to date on the pricing but I've seen pricing of up to 600 euro quoted for the 780. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
With AMD dudes claiming 30, 45% improvements over bulldozer in the same time period intel made less than 15% and also made thermals worse, there's a big threat. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On May 19 2013 01:42 Gumbi wrote: Is that for sure, 500 euro? I'm not absolutely up to date on the pricing but I've seen pricing of up to 600 euro quoted for the 780. It's not 100% yet, but i've seen 500. I think radeon dudes can't compete with GK110 right now* - on the titan card, and now on the 780 - they'd have to have it priced too high to be a good choice in order to be on the market, and if Nvidia brings the 780 in for 500 or 550, it will be king. *It seems their next gen is coming significantly sooner than nvidia's - 700 series is just a kepler refresh, it's the mainstream GK110 GPU on the 780 that has the potential to make a splash | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
I think with what he's aiming to do with his PC the best advice would be not to spend 1500 euro on a PC. If you plan to run a PC for 3-4 years, it seems much more economical to go for a more budgetty approach. He can basicly get everything he wants out of a system for 700-800 euros. If that's all you use your PC for, why not just get a basic i5, a 7870xt and upgrade again in 3 years when things feel too slow? Having a truly high end PC is nice but its ultimately a waste of money for 'enthusiast' gamers. If you just want to play games at good settings, you're fine without OC-ing and all that and you upgrade more frequently at a lower cost. | ||
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ZoRoXo
Norway268 Posts
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On May 19 2013 02:24 ZoRoXo wrote: So I guess all the wait for haswell was for nothing? 1-2% stronger and the i5 3570k/i7 3770k equivalents is suppose to cost up to 15% more, coupled with early boards have some usb errors and might cost a bit more as well... Actually it's looking more like 6-8% stronger, and pricing is not that much worse | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
It's been said all along that you don't have to wait if you don't want to (certainly everyone on an OCed 3570K/3770K is going to be a-okay doing what they're doing). It's just in terms of getting the best value in the near future, waiting is the better course. I have absolutely no plans to touch Haswell, personally. My setup is extremely powerful and very fast -- there's nothing it can't do that I want to do -- there's no sense in waiting / upgrading unless you're actually getting something out of it. Thus, if you need to build now, you're only missing out on a little. It's really not a huge deal. Conversely, if you could wait, you really probably should. | ||
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
On May 19 2013 02:36 Cyro wrote: Actually it's looking more like 6-8% stronger, and pricing is not that much worse Do you think it is a good idea to wait for Haswell? (eg. worth it?) | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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zSoloo
50 Posts
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1311236&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= Cooler: CORSAIR Hydro Series H60 (CW-9060007-WW) Water Cooler http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181030 Mobo: ASRock Z77E-ITX Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157312&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory GFX Card: ? Looking for a card, not rly trying to spend $400 for a 670 Case Silverstone SG06BB-450-USB3.0 (Black) Mini ITX Desktop Case w/450W Power Supply http://us.ncix.com/products/?usaffiliateid=1000031504&sku=72745&vpn=SG06BB-450-USB3.0&manufacture=Silverstone Technology Corsair Air Series SP120 High Performance Edition (2-Pack) 62.7 CFM 120mm Fans http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007RESFYK/?tag=pcpapi-20 | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
For RAM, look at 1600 and 1866 speed and maybe higher, not only 1333. The higher speeds are not necessarily pricier. That's the only thing I see that's off about what you chose. I assume you know what you are doing with the extra fans. You could also look at mATX boards and cases instead of just ITX. You might find something you like. There are pretty compact mATX cases like this one: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77250&vpn=SG09B&manufacture=Silverstone Technology The main thing about mATX is more options, you can for example use a large air cooler with the SG09 case and an mATX board. This would be interesting if you don't really like to use the Corsair H60 but are forced to use it because of ITX. | ||
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