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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
On March 06 2013 09:16 Cyro wrote: You can easily get a laptop thats a lot better than that, something like double CPU performance, 1920x1080 display, equal to or better than GPU, 8gb RAM, probably an ssd too for like ~800-1.2k USD - i dont know how singapore prices are though I was born in Singapore I actually live in the USA ^_^ what do you mean by "double cpu performance"? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
On March 06 2013 09:35 Myrmidon wrote: I don't know about double either. Current MBP can have latest quad core i7s. I think only the 13" can have something else. i've been talking with my friend who stated NVIDIA GeForce GTX "680M SLI is one of the best cards currently. Would you know of any retailers or sites that sell this card with their laptops? | ||
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On March 06 2013 09:46 Pucca wrote: i've been talking with my friend who stated NVIDIA GeForce GTX "680M SLI is one of the best cards currently. Would you know of any retailers or sites that sell this card with their laptops? You don't need a 680M in SLI to play SC2. If you really want to max it out, something like a 660 or 670MX (kepler version) would probably be enough? If you don't, do you have a screen size limit? If not, something like this could be in order: New samsung series 7 chronos. FHD screen, quad core ivy bridge, Radeon 8870M (and Enduro is much much better now supposedly), full aluminum chassis, etc. It's 17 inches though. The 15 inch model should be about the same specs as well. Biggest drawback is availability. I don't know if it's out in the US yet. Other options would be an Asus UX51VZ, which is an Asus version of the same thing. It's about as close to a windows MBP that you'll get - good build quality, 256GB SSD (2x128gb in raid >.>), GT 650M, Quad core IVB, FHD Panel. Vizio offers a slightly less expensive notebook with all of the same as the Asus, except it is a 1TB hard drive with a 32gb ssd cache/msata (not sure). GPU is also down a notch with the GT640M LE, but the design is nice. I believe they've fixed the trackpad issues etc. halfway through the product cycle, and the new ones are supposed to be nicer anyways. Edit: Vizio's touchpads are definitely fixed, the keyboards and battery life are going to be much, much better according to Anandtech with an "early spring" availability refresh. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
A single GTX 680M is already significantly better than your desktop HD 5750 or HD 5770, whichever it was. Single GTX 670MX is already overkill for maxing out SC2, and extra GPU ability isn't going to help out streaming. The high-end graphics GPUs just balloon the price and make things that much hotter. Something that doesn't have underbuilt cooling and probably has better performance than you need would be an Asus G75VX (here with i7-3630QM, GTX 670MX, 1080p screen, 8GB RAM): http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-G75VX-G75VX-BHI7N09-17-3-Inch-Laptop/dp/B00ATZ9IUY That's $1300. No SSD, but you could add one. There may be better deals, but a lot of gaming laptops with high-end specs are really not built as well. edit: this is in the "too much graphics" range, just a response to anyone suggesting GTX 680M SLI | ||
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Cattlecruiser
United States340 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:19 upperbound wrote: I'm not sure what you're saying about the monitor, but I'm assuming that you mean that it's separate than the $1200 budget, which is just for the computer. Intel Core i5-3570k (MC) $190 ASRock Extreme4 (MC) $85 bundled Crucial Ballistix Sport 1600 MHz (MC) $47 bundled MSI GTX 670 (Newegg) $340 AR w/ $150 game coupon http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127675 Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO (MC) $30 Samsung 840 250GB (Newegg) $150 AP: EMCXTXR23 -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147189&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL030513&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL030513-_-EMC-030513-Index-_-SSD-_-20147189-L0C Toshiba 7200 RPM 1TB (MC) $60 Zalman Z11 (MC) $40 AR Rosewill Capstone 450W Continuous (Newegg) $65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168171820662 TOTAL: $1157 I abused your budget a little bit with a few luxury items: the 250GB SSD and 1TB HDD are not totally necessary; you can save $50 by switching to a 120GB SSD or $60 if ~200GB of storage space is enough for you. The GTX 670 also ran Shogun 2 demonstrably better than the HD 7950; but with the graphics engine overhaul who knows if that will still be the case. You can save $70 on this Sapphire HD 7950 if you want to save, get better performance/$, but chance that Rome 2 will also be much better optimized for nVidia hardware. Also, I now see that you only want to run low-medium settings on Rome with huge army size. A 7850 should be more than enough for that, too, and will cost about half of the 670 -- SC2 and Dota2 both require basically no GPU processing capacity. EDIT: Also, I don't know if the promo for the 840 is email-specific; if it is, then you should downsize to the 120GB version for $100 at MC. ALSO: Oh crap, you don't want to overclock now, even though you said you wanted the option in the last post. If you really don't want to OC at a $1200 budget  , scratch the Hyper 212 Evo and switch out the ASRock Extreme4 for an MSI Z77A-G41 and save $80.Thank you very much for your quick and detailed response. I would like to run Rome 2 at the highest setting possible for my budget, would 670 be a solid choice for the budget? Is overclocking efficient at the budget range? I wouldn't mind spending $80 for a reasonable performance/$ | ||
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
On March 06 2013 10:03 Myrmidon wrote: GTX 680M is the best laptop GPU other than a GTX 680MX, and GTX 680M SLI would be two of them. So that's up to double the power consumption and heat, for what amounts to frequently much less than double the performance, more driver / profiles issues, more hassles, etc. Probably not recommended. A single GTX 680M is already significantly better than your desktop HD 5750 or HD 5770, whichever it was. Single GTX 670MX is already overkill for maxing out SC2, and extra GPU ability isn't going to help out streaming. The high-end graphics GPUs just balloon the price and make things that much hotter. Something that doesn't have underbuilt cooling and probably has better performance than you need would be an Asus G75VX (here with i7-3630QM, GTX 670MX, 1080p screen, 8GB RAM): http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-G75VX-G75VX-BHI7N09-17-3-Inch-Laptop/dp/B00ATZ9IUY That's $1300. No SSD, but you could add one. There may be better deals, but a lot of gaming laptops with high-end specs are really not built as well. edit: this is in the "too much graphics" range, just a response to anyone suggesting GTX 680M SLI So your saying I need to focus more on the processor? So would the 3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-3740QM (6MB Cache, up to 3.7GHz w/ Turbo Boost 2.0) [Included in Price] be a good processor | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
there's also the Samsung series 7 Gamer, which has some pretty good specs, for around the same price as the Asus iirc? Maybe a bit more. There should be a review on notebook check, if you want to look. edit: just saw the earlier post. The alienware m14x is fine. A bit pricy but definitely nothing wrong with it. How much is that CPU upgrade though? If you're paying like 200$ for .1 GHz or something, it isn't worth it. Basically, what is the cost difference between that and the other i7 models. Edit: A couple changes to your build on the Alienware: A 2GB GT650M is unnecessary at the 900P that your game is at. Even at 1080P, 1GB will be enough for starcraft 2. That's 80$ that would have given 0 performance benefits. I switched the 500GB hdd to a 500GB HDD + 128GB SSD. For 175$ more, it's not the WORST markup in the world, and afaik alienware uses a decent SSD in their system. Another alternative is to put your own in, but if you don't want to open up your computer I wouldn't. If you take the basic alienware configuration of the m14x (999$) and do: upgrade to an i7-3740QM (meh over the 3630, but it's 150$ which is about 15% price for 10% clock speed) keep the 1GB GT650M get a 500GB HDD + 128GB SSD upgrade to the 900P display Should run you about 1300$, for an equivalently (better, with the SSD) performing system than the one you linked. I'd upload a picture, but my internet is being stupid. Maybe if it fixes later. | ||
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
On March 06 2013 12:37 Alryk wrote: Yes that would be fine. If you're looking at something like Sager or Alienware with that, keep in mind Sager notebooks have relatively shit chasses, and poor battery life. Alienware is better on both of those, but very gaudy. If you want it to also work like something for university, they all might be too big, or run out of battery too quickly. But out of the heavy gaming laptops, I think Asus tends to have the best mix of design, build quality, and price. Sager sacrifices way too much on the chassis, and alienware is overpriced. All three options are big, but personally the Asus is a good idea. there's also the Samsung series 7 Gamer, which has some pretty good specs, for around the same price as the Asus iirc? Maybe a bit more. There should be a review on notebook check, if you want to look. edit: just saw the earlier post. The alienware m14x is fine. A bit pricy but definitely nothing wrong with it. How much is that CPU upgrade though? If you're paying like 200$ for .1 GHz or something, it isn't worth it. Basically, what is the cost difference between that and the other i7 models. Edit: A couple changes to your build on the Alienware: A 2GB GT650M is unnecessary at the 900P that your game is at. Even at 1080P, 1GB will be enough for starcraft 2. That's 80$ that would have given 0 performance benefits. I switched the 500GB hdd to a 500GB HDD + 128GB SSD. For 175$ more, it's not the WORST markup in the world, and afaik alienware uses a decent SSD in their system. Another alternative is to put your own in, but if you don't want to open up your computer I wouldn't. If you take the basic alienware configuration of the m14x (999$) and do: upgrade to an i7-3740QM (meh over the 3630, but it's 150$ which is about 15% price for 10% clock speed) keep the 1GB GT650M get a 500GB HDD + 128GB SSD upgrade to the 900P display Should run you about 1300$, for an equivalently (better, with the SSD) performing system than the one you linked. I'd upload a picture, but my internet is being stupid. Maybe if it fixes later. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YIRseE7.png) these are the options for the CPU | ||
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DemonMonkey
United States9 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
btw there exists a roughly equivalent ~15.6" Asus G55VW, if you don't mind the extra size over the M14X. It's a lot cooler and quieter than the M14X, and these models will come with pretty good 1080p displays. Without SSD, they go for around $1100-1200. i7-3630QM to i7-3740QM is just a difference of 300 MHz, where the i7-3630QM is already way better than the Athlon II X3 435 you use now. On March 06 2013 13:18 DemonMonkey wrote: Hello, I'm currently building my own computer and I already have the case and power supply. I was planning on getting this graphics card, http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4360#ov The Gigabyte Geforce GTX 650 OC 2GB, and was wondering if anyone had a suggestion on the motherboard I should get to go along with it? Thanks :D! What does this really mean? Pretty much every non-legacy desktop motherboard made in the last several years has a PCIe x16 slot, which is what you need for any non-legacy graphics card in the last several years. Also, you sure you want a GTX 650, especially a model with extra VRAM? Normal GTX 650 is already usually bad for the cost, and this is just more expensive without being practically any better. If you're getting a new motherboard, that means you're getting a new CPU, probably RAM too, right? No reason to look at anything other than socket 1155. About any of them is fine. Asking about just the motherboard, based on just a graphics card, is pretty nonsensical. Do you want suggestions for the whole build? That makes a lot more sense. Fill out details answering questions in the OP like it mentions at the top of the page. Also, what the power supply and case you got? | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On March 06 2013 13:18 DemonMonkey wrote: Hello, I'm currently building my own computer and I already have the case and power supply. I was planning on getting this graphics card, http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4360#ov The Gigabyte Geforce GTX 650 OC 2GB, and was wondering if anyone had a suggestion on the motherboard I should get to go along with it? Thanks :D! Yeah, I have a GTX 650 because I was able to get it on sale for 95$ off Newegg - a 2GB version is probably toeing 7770 range? which outperforms it. On a quick newegg search yes it does. So unless you really want the 75$ game credit, a 7770 is a better choice. On that note: AMD has really cut GPU prices for those two cards O.o they're like 20$ less than the last time I saw (you can get a 7750 for 95$ off sale; I don't think that's been like that forever...) | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On March 06 2013 13:33 Alryk wrote: Yeah, I have a GTX 650 because I was able to get it on sale for 95$ off Newegg - a 2GB version is probably toeing 7770 range? which outperforms it. On a quick newegg search yes it does. So unless you really want the 75$ game credit, a 7770 is a better choice. On that note: AMD has really cut GPU prices for those two cards O.o they're like 20$ less than the last time I saw (you can get a 7750 for 95$ off sale; I don't think that's been like that forever...) Its because the GTX 650 beats the 7750, and the 650Ti beats the 7770, by fair amounts. AMD always has to undercut T.T http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/535?vs=681 + Show Spoiler [results] + At 1920X1200 Tied at: Crysis, Metro 2033, Civ 5, TES:5, Portal2 IN FPS 7750 wins: Dirt3 (42.8 to 40.7) 650 wins: Total War: Shogun 2 (38 to 33.3), Batman: Arkham city (38 to 29), BF3 (34 to 26.9) http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/536?vs=680 + Show Spoiler [results] + 650TI wins everything but TES:5 by good margins | ||
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
On March 06 2013 10:16 Cattlecruiser wrote: Thank you very much for your quick and detailed response. I would like to run Rome 2 at the highest setting possible for my budget, would 670 be a solid choice for the budget? Is overclocking efficient at the budget range? I wouldn't mind spending $80 for a reasonable performance/$ Yes, as above, a 670 is a solid choice within the budget, and leaves performance room if you decide to get a normal 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 monitor now, and then upgrade to a more expensive 2560x1440/1600 later: you have plenty of performance room to get there. It's a solid upgrade route with noticeable results without having to revamp an entire system. Overclocking is basically a 25-33% increase in performance per core over all 4 cores for about a 40% increase over the Microcenter price, and 33% increase over the internet market price. In some CPU-capped games, such as SC2, this will directly translate to an increase in frame rates, from about 25 minimum to up to about 40 minimum frames in large-scale battles -- a 50% performance increase in what you see on-screen at a framerate where that 50% increase makes the most difference in what you see (way more important to the eye than, say, going from 75 frames to 110, or for most people even 50 to 75). This increase is even more important when you have a quality video card that will cap you less often in even graphics-intensive games. While I don't know how the battle engine separate from the graphics will work in Rome, it seems possible that they could implement calculations that are significantly lower scale than the battalion level on a lot of modern technology, which would require a lot of processing capability. If you're honest about having a $1200 budget for just the hardware, and understand that having a better system also incentivizes a better monitor (the Eizo monitor that Myrm quoted last page has remarkable response times for an IPS panel), then it's worth it. If you realize that you'd be cutting into a monitor budget now, and don't plan on upgrading the monitor again soon after grabbing a new one, it might be better to maximize your current gaming experience with a higher-quality monitor now and crossing the "next upgrade path" bridge when you get to it. These are all things to consider; there's no correct answer here per se because it depends heavily on your plan and your preferences. | ||
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llIH
Norway2144 Posts
But Ican not find a gtx 560 on the hardware site I am going to order from. (Reason is my dad got some deal with them via his work) Any other gpu that would be good to replace it? --> going to play HotS on LOW settings at 1920x1080. High fps important but I want to spend least money possible. | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
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