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Hey guys hopefully you can help me. I made an account just to ask for help and I believe I followed the guidelines set forth in this thread. I'm not sure is my budget is enough to get what I want but I'd like a fairly strong system for gaming and streaming. Also I have 250 down / 15 up internet.
Budget : 1500.00 ( give or take )
Resolution : Generally game @ 1280 x 1024 but wouldn’t mind going higher if I can stay within my budget.
General Use : Gaming / Streaming ( I’d like to have to option to play and stream almost every game I play.
Upgrade Cycle : 1 – 2 years.
Over clocking : Nothing planned on that front.
Operating System – I have Windows 7 with my last build, would anyone suggest upgrading to 8 ? If so I’ll purchase myself don’t include in budget.
SLI / Crossfire – If it’s the best option I’d explore it but don’t know much about it.
Parts – I’d prefer NCIX Canada and I’d need a case, nothing amazing just something with good airflow and cable management.
Monitor – Do not require a monitor.
Sound – I’d prefer an actual sound card since it may help with sound input while streaming.
I’m having a friend build it for me so I just need the parts. No preference on the type of parts used in the build.
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On February 22 2013 01:11 r0yalution wrote:
Hey guys hopefully you can help me. I made an account just to ask for help and I believe I followed the guidelines set forth in this thread. I'm not sure is my budget is enough to get what I want but I'd like a fairly strong system for gaming and streaming. Also I have 250 down / 15 up internet.
Budget : 1500.00 ( give or take )
Resolution : Generally game @ 1280 x 1024 but wouldn’t mind going higher if I can stay within my budget.
General Use : Gaming / Streaming ( I’d like to have to option to play and stream almost every game I play.
Upgrade Cycle : 1 – 2 years.
Over clocking : Nothing planned on that front.
Operating System – I have Windows 7 with my last build, would anyone suggest upgrading to 8 ? If so I’ll purchase myself don’t include in budget.
SLI / Crossfire – If it’s the best option I’d explore it but don’t know much about it.
Parts – I’d prefer NCIX Canada and I’d need a case, nothing amazing just something with good airflow and cable management.
Monitor – Do not require a monitor.
Sound – I’d prefer an actual sound card since it may help with sound input while streaming.
I’m having a friend build it for me so I just need the parts. No preference on the type of parts used in the build.
Heh, you definitely can go to 1080P now, 1500 (CAD?) is more than enough. Your parts would probably look like:
i5-3570k
Asrock Z77 Pro3 (or something equivalent)
8GB Ram
What games DO you play? If it's just SC2 and Dota2, you can get like... a 7850 and be fine. If you want to play something like Farcry or whatever, you can spend significantly more on the GPU.
Probably a 256GB SSD, and a hard drive if you need more space than that
Nice case aroud 100$ that someone can pick out
Nice PSU around 60$ (Don't know the best available in Canada)
I don't think all of that would run more than 1000$, which leaves you 500$ to get a really nice monitor and pocket some cash.
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I play literally every game that comes out single or multiplayer. Just starting Crysis and its what has caused to me upgrade. So I want something that will carry me for the next year or so.
Ideally I'd like to stream in 1080p abd ya the 1500 is CAD i can go a little higher if nessecary, can just take it out of my girlfriends engagment ring fund.
Thanks for the help
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It has been almost 5 years since I last upgraded my stuff so I just wanted some input/feedback on this concoction of mine. I would use this computer for gaming and streaming games, programming, VMware and maybe some graphical design crap.
i7 3770K - 330€ - BX80637I73770K
Asus P8 Z77-V LE Plus S-1155 - 150€ - P8Z77-V LE PLUS
Intel 520 240GB SSD Reseller(What is reseller?) - 224€ - SSDSC2CW240A3K5
8GB of 1600mhz ram - 69€ - CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8
For the GPU I'm probably gonna keep my old 9800GTX, and if I find that it lacks in whatever area I'll get one of the Asus GTX 660 2GB cards which are around 250€.
Also, I was going to get the i5 3570K at first but I changed it to the i7 because it's not that much more expensive and it seems more future proof. I won't be upgrading again for at least 5 years.
The only thing I'm on the fence about is the SSD. I just don't know how worth that particular SSD is compared to its price. Any help on that would be nice.
This lands me at around 1350€ with a GPU
Edit: I'm buying this from www.dustinhome.se so I just put the prices in a converter for you guys.
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On February 22 2013 02:43 Sverigevader wrote:It has been almost 5 years since I last upgraded my stuff so I just wanted some input/feedback on this concoction of mine. I would use this computer for gaming and streaming games, programming, VMware and maybe some graphical design crap. i7 3770K - 330€ - BX80637I73770K Asus P8 Z77-V LE Plus S-1155 - 150€ - P8Z77-V LE PLUS Intel 520 240GB SSD Reseller(What is reseller?) - 224€ - SSDSC2CW240A3K5 8GB of 1600mhz ram - 69€ - CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8 For the GPU I'm probably gonna keep my old 9800GTX, and if I find that it lacks in whatever area I'll get one of the Asus GTX 660 2GB cards which are around 250€. Also, I was going to get the i5 3570K at first but I changed it to the i7 because it's not that much more expensive and it seems more future proof. I won't be upgrading again for at least 5 years. The only thing I'm on the fence about is the SSD. I just don't know how worth that particular SSD is compared to its price. Any help on that would be nice. This lands me at around 1350€ with a GPU Edit: I'm buying this from www.dustinhome.se so I just put the prices in a converter for you guys.
3570k + overclock would probably be a smarter buy than the i7. Future proofing doesn't really exist in this industry. Geting a K-suffixed processor (means it's unlocked) is wasteful if you're not going to purchase an aftermarket cooler to overclock). Stick on a Hyper 212 or some other budget cooler and OC a 3570k to 4.4ghz (4.0 on stock voltages, or 4.2 even, easily enough).
8GB of RAM @ 1600mhz is just under double the price it should be. Where you buying your parts from? Hardwareversand is an excellent German site that delivers an order for 20 euro (regardless of order size). €250 is 660ti price (which is a bit more powerful that a 660). I've seen 660ti at 240 euro on Mindfactory.de (another great site, slightly cheaper than HWVS, but ship separately their cases, though this mightn't affect you).
If you're spending that much I would defeinitely get an SSD. An Crucial M4 or Samsung 940 Pro are good models.
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On February 22 2013 03:18 Gumbi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 02:43 Sverigevader wrote:+ Show Spoiler +It has been almost 5 years since I last upgraded my stuff so I just wanted some input/feedback on this concoction of mine. I would use this computer for gaming and streaming games, programming, VMware and maybe some graphical design crap. i7 3770K - 330€ - BX80637I73770K Asus P8 Z77-V LE Plus S-1155 - 150€ - P8Z77-V LE PLUS Intel 520 240GB SSD Reseller(What is reseller?) - 224€ - SSDSC2CW240A3K5 8GB of 1600mhz ram - 69€ - CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8 For the GPU I'm probably gonna keep my old 9800GTX, and if I find that it lacks in whatever area I'll get one of the Asus GTX 660 2GB cards which are around 250€. Also, I was going to get the i5 3570K at first but I changed it to the i7 because it's not that much more expensive and it seems more future proof. I won't be upgrading again for at least 5 years. The only thing I'm on the fence about is the SSD. I just don't know how worth that particular SSD is compared to its price. Any help on that would be nice. This lands me at around 1350€ with a GPU Edit: I'm buying this from www.dustinhome.se so I just put the prices in a converter for you guys. 3570k + overclock would probably be a smarter buy than the i7. Future proofing doesn't really exist in this industry. Geting a K-suffixed processor (means it's unlocked) is wasteful if you're not going to purchase an aftermarket cooler to overclock). Stick on a Hyper 212 or some other budget cooler and OC a 3570k to 4.4ghz (4.0 on stock voltages, or 4.2 even, easily enough). 8GB of RAM @ 1600mhz is just under double the price it should be. Where you buying your parts from? Hardwareversand is an excellent German site that delivers an order for 20 euro (regardless of order size). €250 is 660ti price (which is a bit more powerful that a 660). I've seen 660ti at 240 euro on Mindfactory.de (another great site, slightly cheaper than HWVS, but ship separately their cases, though this mightn't affect you). If you're spending that much I would defeinitely get an SSD. An Crucial M4 or Samsung 940 Pro are good models.
Good input, thanks! I'll think about this some more.
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On February 22 2013 04:47 Sverigevader wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 03:18 Gumbi wrote:On February 22 2013 02:43 Sverigevader wrote:+ Show Spoiler +It has been almost 5 years since I last upgraded my stuff so I just wanted some input/feedback on this concoction of mine. I would use this computer for gaming and streaming games, programming, VMware and maybe some graphical design crap. i7 3770K - 330€ - BX80637I73770K Asus P8 Z77-V LE Plus S-1155 - 150€ - P8Z77-V LE PLUS Intel 520 240GB SSD Reseller(What is reseller?) - 224€ - SSDSC2CW240A3K5 8GB of 1600mhz ram - 69€ - CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8 For the GPU I'm probably gonna keep my old 9800GTX, and if I find that it lacks in whatever area I'll get one of the Asus GTX 660 2GB cards which are around 250€. Also, I was going to get the i5 3570K at first but I changed it to the i7 because it's not that much more expensive and it seems more future proof. I won't be upgrading again for at least 5 years. The only thing I'm on the fence about is the SSD. I just don't know how worth that particular SSD is compared to its price. Any help on that would be nice. This lands me at around 1350€ with a GPU Edit: I'm buying this from www.dustinhome.se so I just put the prices in a converter for you guys. 3570k + overclock would probably be a smarter buy than the i7. Future proofing doesn't really exist in this industry. Geting a K-suffixed processor (means it's unlocked) is wasteful if you're not going to purchase an aftermarket cooler to overclock). Stick on a Hyper 212 or some other budget cooler and OC a 3570k to 4.4ghz (4.0 on stock voltages, or 4.2 even, easily enough). 8GB of RAM @ 1600mhz is just under double the price it should be. Where you buying your parts from? Hardwareversand is an excellent German site that delivers an order for 20 euro (regardless of order size). €250 is 660ti price (which is a bit more powerful that a 660). I've seen 660ti at 240 euro on Mindfactory.de (another great site, slightly cheaper than HWVS, but ship separately their cases, though this mightn't affect you). If you're spending that much I would defeinitely get an SSD. An Crucial M4 or Samsung 940 Pro are good models. Good input, thanks! I'll think about this some more.
Don't overspend for a motherboard with more support than you need, either, especially if you're not going to get into aggressive, advanced overclocking. Look for the key features that you want (enough USB 2.0/3.0, any special device connections, audio that meets the needs of your equipment, etc.) and don't spend for the extra stuff -- the returns on boards past about the 125 euro range after sales is quite poor for the average user.
Also Crucial M4 is still a decent SSD, but is outclassed by more modern technology in terms of sequential read and write, which is most important to the average user (benchmarks for reference: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-charts-2012/benchmarks,129.html). Still, the Crucial M4 is so much faster than any 7200rpm HDD that it is a good buy if it is on sale for considerably cheaper than your other options.
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Requesting a system build.
What is your budget?
$1200 usd
What is your resolution? 1600x900
What are you using it for? Gaming (Battlefield 3, Starcraft 2, Crysis 3) and running AutoCAD
What is your upgrade cycle? 2-3 Years.
When do you plan on building it? Within the next 2 weeks.
Do you plan on overclocking? Yes.
Do you need an Operating System? Yes
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No
Where are you buying your parts from? I will buy from online stores and the Fry's Electronics if necessary
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What would be a ball park cost to build something where I could run starcraft 2 smoothly on like mid or high graphics. I have this thing I could use as a monitor maybe. I know nothing about computers could I even build one? Any recomendations for one I could just go buy?
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On February 22 2013 09:58 jamesr12 wrote:What would be a ball park cost to build something where I could run starcraft 2 smoothly on like mid or high graphics. I have this thing I could use as a monitor maybe. I know nothing about computers could I even build one? Any recomendations for one I could just go buy?
What else are you using the computer for? I'd recommend looking at the questions in the OP and filling them in. If you have monitor/keyboard/mouse/OS, then you could build a system that could run lategame SC2 at about 20 fps for about $450-500. If you want 30+ fps, you'd have to add about $100. If you want to get a newer 1920x1080 monitor and still run high, probably another $50-$100+monitor cost above that. If you want a solid state drive and a regular hard drive build, add another $100 bucks.
Again, it all depends on other questions in the OP.
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[QUOTE]On February 22 2013 12:08 upperbound wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 22 2013 09:58 jamesr12 wrote:
What would be a ball park cost to build something where I could run starcraft 2 smoothly on like mid or high graphics. I have [url=http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-LC19SB25U-19-Inch-720p-HDTV/dp/B0018KSPDK] this thing[/url] I could use as a monitor maybe. I know nothing about computers could I even build one? Any recomendations for one I could just go buy?[/QUOTE]
What else are you using the computer for? I'd recommend looking at the questions in the OP and filling them in. If you have monitor/keyboard/mouse/OS, then you could build a system that could run lategame SC2 at about 20 fps for about $450-500. If you want 30+ fps, you'd have to add about $100. If you want to get a newer 1920x1080 monitor and still run high, probably another $50-$100+monitor cost above that. If you want a solid state drive and a regular hard drive build, add another $100 bucks.
What is your budget?
800 max but less is better
What is your resolution?
720p ? see link (I dont know shit)
What are you using it for?
starcraft 2 and nothing else even remotely intensive surfing the internet ect.
What is your upgrade cycle?
uhhh rare
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP
Do you plan on overclocking?
Don't know what this means so no
Do you need an Operating System?
Nope
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
uhhh no?
Where are you buying your parts from?
Online USA
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Quoting for reference
I'm concerned that possibly the PSU in this build isn't powerful enough for the graphics card. I installed the card with the cd and when I change the dvi cable to the port on the card, the monitor is black. I'm not sure what the problem is here but this would rule out one thing.
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On February 22 2013 12:53 Coil1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Quoting for reference I'm concerned that possibly the PSU in this build isn't powerful enough for the graphics card. I installed the card with the cd and when I change the dvi cable to the port on the card, the monitor is black. I'm not sure what the problem is here but this would rule out one thing.
Check to make sure the card is correctly powered and also slotted into the motherboard properly. Check cpu_z to make sure it is being properly detected by the mobo after you're sure that the physical installation works. If not, then download the lastest AMD drivers, reboot, then try again.
EDIT: to directly answer your question, the PSU is plenty powerful
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On February 22 2013 13:04 upperbound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 12:53 Coil1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Quoting for reference I'm concerned that possibly the PSU in this build isn't powerful enough for the graphics card. I installed the card with the cd and when I change the dvi cable to the port on the card, the monitor is black. I'm not sure what the problem is here but this would rule out one thing. Check to make sure the card is correctly powered and also slotted into the motherboard properly. Check cpu_z to make sure it is being properly detected by the mobo after you're sure that the physical installation works. If not, then download the lastest AMD drivers, reboot, then try again. EDIT: to directly answer your question, the PSU is plenty powerful
Oh sorry, after checking the post again, later on I was recommended this PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 and this is the one I bought.
edit: tried cpu z, it only shows the motherboard integrated graphics and that's greyed-out.
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On February 22 2013 13:12 Coil1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 13:04 upperbound wrote:On February 22 2013 12:53 Coil1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Quoting for reference I'm concerned that possibly the PSU in this build isn't powerful enough for the graphics card. I installed the card with the cd and when I change the dvi cable to the port on the card, the monitor is black. I'm not sure what the problem is here but this would rule out one thing. Check to make sure the card is correctly powered and also slotted into the motherboard properly. Check cpu_z to make sure it is being properly detected by the mobo after you're sure that the physical installation works. If not, then download the lastest AMD drivers, reboot, then try again. EDIT: to directly answer your question, the PSU is plenty powerful Oh sorry, after checking the post again, later on I was recommended this PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 and this is the one I bought. edit: tried cpu z, it only shows the motherboard integrated graphics and that's greyed-out.
Basically any psu anyone would ever suggest here is enough to power a normal clock cpu and mid range graphics card. Your mobo should autodetect a 7870, so definitely check the physical connections first, then flash bios and upgrade video card drivers.
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On February 22 2013 13:23 upperbound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 13:12 Coil1 wrote:On February 22 2013 13:04 upperbound wrote:On February 22 2013 12:53 Coil1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Quoting for reference I'm concerned that possibly the PSU in this build isn't powerful enough for the graphics card. I installed the card with the cd and when I change the dvi cable to the port on the card, the monitor is black. I'm not sure what the problem is here but this would rule out one thing. Check to make sure the card is correctly powered and also slotted into the motherboard properly. Check cpu_z to make sure it is being properly detected by the mobo after you're sure that the physical installation works. If not, then download the lastest AMD drivers, reboot, then try again. EDIT: to directly answer your question, the PSU is plenty powerful Oh sorry, after checking the post again, later on I was recommended this PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 and this is the one I bought. edit: tried cpu z, it only shows the motherboard integrated graphics and that's greyed-out. Basically any psu anyone would ever suggest here is enough to power a normal clock cpu and mid range graphics card. Your mobo should autodetect a 7870, so definitely check the physical connections first, then flash bios and upgrade video card drivers.
Doesn't the disc fully update the card? or is it just the installation?
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The PSU is good and fine, is the GPU invisible everywhere else too? Detected by drivers, or by other tools, what does windows experience index say etcetc
Its not good at all if it's just not running. Is the fan spinning up etc? Checked to make sure you have right power cables? Its very difficult to diagnose without more data.
More likely to be a simple mistake (oops i forgot to plug in second 6 pin or whatever) than randomly completely dead card or something i think
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Doesn't the disc fully update the card? or is it just the installation?
It will be some driver, probably not up to date etc
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It's probably not the most recent version, and also you should really check if the physical connections are good before trying anything else...
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On February 22 2013 01:11 r0yalution wrote:
Hey guys hopefully you can help me. I made an account just to ask for help and I believe I followed the guidelines set forth in this thread. I'm not sure is my budget is enough to get what I want but I'd like a fairly strong system for gaming and streaming. Also I have 250 down / 15 up internet.
Budget : 1500.00 ( give or take )
Resolution : Generally game @ 1280 x 1024 but wouldn’t mind going higher if I can stay within my budget.
General Use : Gaming / Streaming ( I’d like to have to option to play and stream almost every game I play.
Upgrade Cycle : 1 – 2 years.
Over clocking : Nothing planned on that front.
Operating System – I have Windows 7 with my last build, would anyone suggest upgrading to 8 ? If so I’ll purchase myself don’t include in budget.
SLI / Crossfire – If it’s the best option I’d explore it but don’t know much about it.
Parts – I’d prefer NCIX Canada and I’d need a case, nothing amazing just something with good airflow and cable management.
Monitor – Do not require a monitor.
Sound – I’d prefer an actual sound card since it may help with sound input while streaming.
I’m having a friend build it for me so I just need the parts. No preference on the type of parts used in the build.
Core components: $741
i5-3570
MSI z77-G41 (wouldn't normally get a z77 for a non-overclocking build, but it's a cheap full-sized board)
2x4gb Crucial RAM
Gigabyte 7970 (this is fairly overkill - one of the best places to cut back if you want to spend less - but you should be pretty confident in running basically everything at max graphics settings)
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Supporting components:$343
Bit Fenix Ghost
XFX Core 450w
Samsung 840 120gb SSD - put programs you want to load zoom-zoom fast here
Seagate 2TB HDD - lots & lots of extra storage
DVD-burner
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Other:
Asus VG23AH ($250 - a very good quality, but otherwise fairly normal screen)
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=72713&vpn=VG23AH&manufacture=ASUS
Asus Xonar DG Sound Card ($33)
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=56330
or Asus Xonar D1 Sound Card ($90 - depending on how much you want to put into sound card)
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=39269
(very optional) Aver Media Live Gamer HD ($200) - a capture card, I wouldn't buy right off, but could be useful if you need to reduce the capture burden of streaming (not necessarily needed).
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=71523
Total (w/monitor & Xonar DG): $1367 not counting shipping or rebates (or tax?)
Note also that NCIX, like all canadian retailers, price match. & I only looked at their website. So there's a good chance you can find some parts advertised for cheaper & reduce price somewhat that way.
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