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@kaifragrance
gpu performance should be the same. The double-fan version should run quieter and perhaps cooler. The sapphire double-fan version is better reviewed in terms of noise though, and is the same price as the Core Edition.
@BeMannerDuPenner
looks mostly good. Kingston HyperX is generally 1.65v ram, while Intel prefers 1.5v, so you might change brands there. Without examining german prices specifically, looks like a well-put together build. The HR-02 ought to come with everying needed for mounting the macho... link the thingy if you're thinking of something specific. A very long screwdriver can be handy, as there's a hole through the middle of the heatsink you can use to make installation much easier if you have a long enough screwdriver.
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On April 30 2012 05:09 MisterFred wrote:
@BeMannerDuPenner
looks mostly good. Kingston HyperX is generally 1.65v ram, while Intel prefers 1.5v, so you might change brands there. Without examining german prices specifically, looks like a well-put together build. The HR-02 ought to come with everying needed for mounting the macho... link the thingy if you're thinking of something specific. A very long screwdriver can be handy, as there's a hole through the middle of the heatsink you can use to make installation much easier if you have a long enough screwdriver.
the mentioned ram is 1,5v. found this "8GB Corsair Vengeance LP Blue DDR3-1600 DIMM CL9 Dual Kit" while doublechecking for only 2€ more. also runs at 1,5v so would be the better deal?
this :link is the 5€ thing i was talking about. didnt find anything specific but since this will be the first big cpu cooler im gonna install im leaning towards the safe approach.
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On April 30 2012 01:29 Bounty wrote:
Hello everyone, I'd like to request a build for a new computer.
What is your budget?
Budget is 1000€, flexible up to a maximum of ~1150€.
What is your resolution?
1920x1080.
What are you using it for?
Mostly gaming with the odd multimedia, office and light scientific calculations (Matlab, R, etc.). At the moment I'm mainly playing SC2, but there is no strict focus on that and I hope I can pick up more graphic intensive titles with a new computer.
What is your upgrade cycle?
I'm normally on a long upgrade cycle of about 5 years. My current machine is 5 1/2 years old. Usually I upgrade the GPU after ~3 years.
When do you plan on building it?
I plan on building it immediatly.
Do you plan on overclocking?
I was thinking about a mild overclock in the 4.1-4.3 Ghz range.
Do you need an Operating System?
I don't need an OS.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
SLI doesn't seem sensible for my budget and not worth the drivers/combability headaches.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I'm buying from Germany, so I guess the major online retailers hardwareversand.de, alternate.de or mindfactory.de. I'm not sure which of those is the cheapest overall.
Additional Information
I'd like to include a 120/128gb SSD in the configuration coupled with a 500gb 7200 rpm secondary HDD. If it's possible I'd also prefer components that have a bit more emphasis on silence if they can be had for a minor extra amount of money, like a Fractal R3 as case. Also while I'm not sure whether Ivy Bridge is the price/performance champion at the moment, I'd like to go that route for a processor.
Thanks a lot in advance for anyone helping!
Ok, you seem to kinda know what components you want, but here's a recommendation, I haven't matched prices vs alternate fyi (but some quick searches confirmed that they were more expensive than the other two).
hardwareversand:
FRACTAL DESIGN Gehäuse DEFINE R3 Titanium Grey 92,71 €
Seagate Barracuda 7200 500GB SATA 6GB's 65,76 €
Intel Core i5-2500K Box, LGA1155 189,79 €
ASRock P67 Pro3 SE (B3), Sockel 1155, ATX 70,37 €
8GB-Kit Kingston ValueRAM PC3-10667U CL9 38,06 €
Alpenföhn K2 - 120/140mm 63,99 €
Crucial M4 128GB SSD 6,4cm (2,5") 131,24 €
HIS HD 7950 GDDR5 3072MB DVI/HDMI/2xMiniDP 337,23 € (It's a relatively quiet card, but if you feel like it, add Accelero Xtreme 7970 OR Alpenföhn Peter 79xx edition + 2 fans to get it real silent)
be quiet! STRAIGHT POWER BQT E9-450W 80+Gold 65,91 €
Sum:
1.055,06 €
mindfactory.de:
Fractal Define R3 USB3.0 Black Pearl Midi € 84,68*
500GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 € 71,75*
Intel Core i5 2500K 4x 3.30GHz So.1155 BOX € 177,20*
ASRock P67 Pro SE Intel P67 So.1155 Dual € 67,54*
8GB Kingston ValueRAM DDR3-1333 DIMM CL9 € 50,39*
EKL Alpenföhn K2 - 120/140mm, für Sockel € 59,83*
128GB Crucial m4 SSD CT128M4SSD2 € 94,90*
3072MB HIS Radeon HD 7950 Aktiv PCIe 3.0 € 328,20*
450W be quiet! Straight Power E9 80+ € 63,70*
Zwischensumme: € 997,74
So a bit better prices overall there. The site says inkl. 19% UST: € 159.30. Does that mean it's already included or what?
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@BeMannerDePunner
That's a mounting bracket... the HR-02 will come with one. The extra on sale is for people who bought their machos before 1155 mobos came out.
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On April 30 2012 05:57 MisterFred wrote:
@BeMannerDePunner
That's a mounting bracket... the HR-02 will come with one. The extra on sale is for people who bought their machos before 1155 mobos came out.
i know what it is, i just thought its maybe something special for the asus/asrock boards cause there might be some problems with the one included.
but if its the same there is ofc no point in buying it ~~
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Double D is only worth getting if you want lifetime warranty. Core Edition is not worth getting at all since DirectCu II, Dual-X, and Twin Frozr III are all basically the same price and have equal or longer warranty.
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On April 30 2012 06:05 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 05:57 MisterFred wrote:
@BeMannerDePunner
That's a mounting bracket... the HR-02 will come with one. The extra on sale is for people who bought their machos before 1155 mobos came out. i know what it is, i just thought its maybe something special for the asus/asrock boards cause there might be some problems with the one included. but if its the same there is ofc no point in buying it ~~
The Asus/Asrock bracket should be included, they started including it half a year ago with the HR-02 Macho, so unless the reseller's stock is really old (if so, ask them to open one) there will be no issue.
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On April 30 2012 06:55 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 06:05 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On April 30 2012 05:57 MisterFred wrote:
@BeMannerDePunner
That's a mounting bracket... the HR-02 will come with one. The extra on sale is for people who bought their machos before 1155 mobos came out. i know what it is, i just thought its maybe something special for the asus/asrock boards cause there might be some problems with the one included. but if its the same there is ofc no point in buying it ~~ The Asus/Asrock bracket should be included, they started including it half a year ago with the HR-02 Macho, so unless the reseller's stock is really old (if so, ask them to open one) there will be no issue.
thanks to you and evryone that commented before. finally ordered it 10 mins ago. :>
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@Bounty
Looks like good advice from Shauni, but I'd make two changes.
First, I'd go with an HR-02 Macho (34 euros at either website) instead of the K2 cooler. The HR-02 is effective, quiet, and cheap (especially in europe), can't go wrong with the Macho as a cooler. I dunno if the K2 is louder, but it is more expensive  .
Second, If you want to save about 40-50 euros on powersupply & case, replace those items with a Sonata III or Sonata IV (both a little cheaper at mindfactory). The case quality will drop a little from the fractal design, but by a small enough amount the savings are worth it. Yes, most cases that come with power supplies come with crap power supplies... the Sonatas are the exception. Both come with quality power supplies (antec earthwatts 500w for the sonata 3, antec neo eco 620 for the sonata IV if I remember correctly). Either will serve for your purposes. The Sonata III is a bit cheaper, the Sonata IV has a usb 3.0 port on the front if you want one of those.
Like the Fractal Design R3 the Sonatas are meant to be fairly quiet cases. I haven't seen any direct comparisons.
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I'm building a new PC. Ordering parts like today. I have like ~$1000 to spend, a 1080p display, and the only real PC intensive thing I'm going to do is playing and maybe streaming SC2. Some coding, some photoshop, w/e doesn't matter that much. I won't be upgrading for quite a while probably. I don't really care to overclock, and I don't need an OS. Ordering online from Newegg or Amazon. I want to keep my current hard drive, but add a solid state drive. I don't need a kbm or display, just a box and everything in it (minus the storage drive).
Enough info?
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Sonata series hasn't really aged that well. Top mount PSU, irremovable insides (gah that metal bar...), gets hot due to insufficient intake. I don't like the plastic front, it breaks easily when you remove it. Also have to open front for buttons. Even though I have 3 of them at home (2 of them Sonata III) I wouldn't recommend them for a modern build, there are better options for almost any purpose. The old earthwatts isn't really optimal for a silent case, since the fan is small and will make noises at load (and those fans die pretty quickly from age). antec neo eco 620 a bit better on that front but still not optimal. I'd never favor Sonata+earthwatts over R3+bequiet 450w e9.
The latter is easier to build in, will be more silent, better ventilation and overall design.
HR-02 Macho vs K2? K2 cools better passive, comes with 2 pretty nice fans and is more comparable to Noctua's D-14 at a lower price. Macho is not bad at all, and a bit cheaper like you said, but I think he'll be more pleased with the K2. Especially since he's german.
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Hello all,
What is your budget?
as small as possible, i don't need superflu and i focus on my using.
If it's possible to have suggestion with and without SSD. i would be grateful
What is your resolution?
1920*1080
advice for a screen in 23" or 24" would welcome
What are you using it for?
Starcraft 2, Diablo 3 (max settings for both)
What is your upgrade cycle?
Starcraft 3, Diablo 4, Warcraft 4
When do you plan on building it?
As soon as possiblle after Diablo 3 release. 1 week ago if possible
Do you plan on overclocking?
no
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
no, exept if it's relevant
Where are you buying your parts from?
France: http://www.materiel.net/
Thanks in advance
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Check the spoiler to see my answers for the questions.
+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
2000$ CAD/USD
What is your resolution?
1920x1080 but thinking of getting either 27in (and whaever resolution it has) or 3x 24in monitors at 1920x1080.
What are you using it for?
-Gaming
-Streaming
-CAD (ANSYS, CATIA, Abaqus)
-3D gaming (at some point)
What is your upgrade cycle?
The next 5 years
When do you plan on building it?
Right now, this computer sux.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes, I am going to try overcloking.
Do you need an Operating System?
No, can get free OS from school.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Yes, a pair of 660's in SLI
Where are you buying your parts from?
-Newegg.ca
-Tigerdirect.ca
-NCIX.ca
-DirectCanada.com
-CanadaComputers.com
-Anywhere thats delivers in Canada or pick up stores close of Montreal, Quebec.
I have attempt to build a system myself, here is the link: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/7vnP
Here are some of the things I want:
-Brands that support ESPORTS (if possible).
-Hard drive : SSD's only, either 1x 256GB or 2x 128GB.
-White case, pretty fixed on the one I picked. Unless someone find something that looks better.
-Modular power supply.
-Motherboard: EVGA (if possible, since my graphics card will be from there).
As you can see, I only need the core components. I don't need any monitors, OS and optical drive right now.
I need quality products, I don't mind overpaying if I won't have any trouble with the components.
If anyone could advise me, it would be greatly appreciated.
EDIT: I forgot to check if that motherboard support PCI 3.0, but I don't think it does. I would replace the current one with this one: http://www.evga.com/products/prodlist.asp?switch=5&MBSeries=Intel Z77 Series Family
I would like a motherboard that support PCI 3.0. If I need to upgrade to Z77 or X79 over Z68, then so be it.
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On April 30 2012 10:13 MoneyHypeMike wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Check the spoiler to see my answers for the questions. + Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
2000$ CAD/USD
What is your resolution?
1920x1080 but thinking of getting either 27in (and whaever resolution it has) or 3x 24in monitors at 1920x1080.
What are you using it for?
-Gaming
-Streaming
-CAD (ANSYS, CATIA, Abaqus)
-3D gaming (at some point)
What is your upgrade cycle?
The next 5 years
When do you plan on building it?
Right now, this computer sux.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes, I am going to try overcloking.
Do you need an Operating System?
No, can get free OS from school.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Yes, a pair of 660's in SLI
Where are you buying your parts from?
-Newegg.ca
-Tigerdirect.ca
-NCIX.ca
-DirectCanada.com
-CanadaComputers.com
-Anywhere thats delivers in Canada or pick up stores close of Montreal, Quebec.
I have attempt to build a system myself, here is the link: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/7vnPHere are some of the things I want: -Brands that support ESPORTS (if possible). -Hard drive : SSD's only, either 1x 256GB or 2x 128GB. -White case, pretty fixed on the one I picked. Unless someone find something that looks better. -Modular power supply. -Motherboard: EVGA (if possible, since my graphics card will be from there). As you can see, I only need the core components. I don't need any monitors, OS and optical drive right now. I need quality products, I don't mind overpaying if I won't have any trouble with the components. If anyone could advise me, it would be greatly appreciated. EDIT: I forgot to check if that motherboard support PCI 3.0, but I don't think it does. I would like a motherboard that support PCI 3.0. If I need to upgrade to Z77 or X79 over Z68, then so be it.
Z68 does not have native Ivybridge support. You need a Sandybridge to flash to the latest BIOS in order for it to support Ivybridge. If you are getting an Ivybridge, you want a Z77 motherboard. EVGA motherboards are also overpriced for what they offer.
Kingston HyperX kit runs at 1.65v which is not ideal for LGA1155. You want a kit that runs at 1.5v or lower such as this Corsair kit: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62313&promoid=1058
You do not need 750w for a SLI configuration with Ivybridge and SLI mid-range Keplers. Seasonic X660 for $125 already offers plenty of headroom for everything to be overclocked and is fully modular: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65390&promoid=1058 The Corsair equivalent (exact same, except Corsair and seven year warranty) is the AX650 for slightly more: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11180AC9203
Corsair 600T is less expensive at NCIX: http://www.ncix.com/products/?&sku=59759&promoid=1058
PCI-E 3.0 is useless for mid-range SLI since even high-end Kepler can't saturate PCI-E 2. But all Z77 support PCI-E 3.0 and all high-end boards will have both slots as PCI-E 3.0. Only LGA2011 supports dual x16, LGA1155 is limited to dual x8.
You're missing a heatsink for overclocking.
GTX 660s are also no where close to being released so I have no clue how long you plan on waiting.
And you shouldn't be buying a $300 board if you can't afford a flagship GPU or CPU.
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On April 30 2012 10:31 skyR wrote:Z68 does not have native Ivybridge support. You need a Sandybridge to flash to the latest BIOS in order for it to support Ivybridge. If you are getting an Ivybridge, you want a Z77 motherboard. EVGA motherboards are also overpriced for what they offer. Kingston HyperX kit runs at 1.65v which is not ideal for LGA1155. You want a kit that runs at 1.5v or lower such as this Corsair kit: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62313&promoid=1058You do not need 750w for a SLI configuration with Ivybridge and SLI mid-range Keplers. Seasonic X660 for $125 already offers plenty of headroom for everything to be overclocked and is fully modular: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65390&promoid=1058 The Corsair equivalent (exact same, except Corsair and seven year warranty) is the AX650 for slightly more: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11180AC9203Corsair 600T is less expensive at NCIX: http://www.ncix.com/products/?&sku=59759&promoid=1058PCI-E 3.0 is useless for mid-range SLI since even high-end Kepler can't saturate PCI-E 2. But all Z77 support PCI-E 3.0 and all high-end boards will have both slots as PCI-E 3.0. Only LGA2011 supports dual x16, LGA1155 is limited to dual x8. You're missing a heatsink for overclocking. GTX 660s are also no where close to being released so I have no clue how long you plan on waiting.
Thanks for the answers.
Yeah I totally screw up on the motherboard. I don't mind changing motherboard if I am paying too much.
The reason why I want PCI 3.0 is in case I change my mind and decide in the next 5 years to upgrade my video card and god knows what could happen by then. Same reason why I had that power supply.
What is your opinion on X79 vs Z77?
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On April 30 2012 10:39 MoneyHypeMike wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 30 2012 10:31 skyR wrote:Z68 does not have native Ivybridge support. You need a Sandybridge to flash to the latest BIOS in order for it to support Ivybridge. If you are getting an Ivybridge, you want a Z77 motherboard. EVGA motherboards are also overpriced for what they offer. Kingston HyperX kit runs at 1.65v which is not ideal for LGA1155. You want a kit that runs at 1.5v or lower such as this Corsair kit: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62313&promoid=1058You do not need 750w for a SLI configuration with Ivybridge and SLI mid-range Keplers. Seasonic X660 for $125 already offers plenty of headroom for everything to be overclocked and is fully modular: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65390&promoid=1058 The Corsair equivalent (exact same, except Corsair and seven year warranty) is the AX650 for slightly more: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11180AC9203Corsair 600T is less expensive at NCIX: http://www.ncix.com/products/?&sku=59759&promoid=1058PCI-E 3.0 is useless for mid-range SLI since even high-end Kepler can't saturate PCI-E 2. But all Z77 support PCI-E 3.0 and all high-end boards will have both slots as PCI-E 3.0. Only LGA2011 supports dual x16, LGA1155 is limited to dual x8. You're missing a heatsink for overclocking. GTX 660s are also no where close to being released so I have no clue how long you plan on waiting. Thanks for the answers. Yeah I totally screw up on the motherboard. I don't mind changing motherboard if I am paying too much. The reason why I want PCI 3.0 is in case I change my mind and decide in the next 5 years to upgrade my video card and god knows what could happen by then. Same reason why I had that power supply. What is your opinion on X79 vs Z77?
LGA2011 is an enthusiast platform. The few reasons why you build on it is because you need the memory support (64GB) or quad channel provided by it, doing a tri/quad GPU setup, and need hex / octo cores. A motherboard and core i7 3930k would be half your budget.
All Z77 supports PCI-E 3.0 so there's nothing to worry about there. If you missed my edit, you don't want to spend $300 on a board unless you are also getting a GTX 680 or GTX 690. An MSI Z77 GD65 / 80 or ASUS P8Z77-V will be fine.
Power consumption generally goes down as we move onto smaller manufacturing processes. The 40nm cards in the $200-$300 range consumed nearly 200w while the newer 28nm 7850 and 7870 consume close to 100w. An Ivybridge mid-range SLI configuration simply will have a hard time exceeding 500w even with overclocks on everything.
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On April 30 2012 10:48 skyR wrote:
LGA2011 is an enthusiast platform. The few reasons why you build on it is because you need the memory support (64GB) or quad channel provided by it, doing a tri/quad GPU setup, and need hex / octo cores. A motherboard and core i7 3930k would be half your budget.
All Z77 supports PCI-E 3.0 so there's nothing to worry about there. If you missed my edit, you don't want to spend $300 on a board unless you are also getting a GTX 680 or GTX 690. An MSI Z77 GD65 / 80 or ASUS P8Z77-V will be fine.
Power consumption generally goes down as we move onto smaller manufacturing processes. The 40nm cards in the $200-$300 range consumed nearly 200w while the newer 28nm 7850 and 7870 consume close to 100w. An Ivybridge mid-range SLI configuration simply will have a hard time exceeding 500w even with overclocks on everything.
Alright, I will check out these Z77 motherboards and the power supply then.
If the GTX 660 is not comming out anytime soon, I will just buy a GTX 680.
Could you advise me on the SSD? I would like 2 seperate ones (2x 128GB I guess): one for my games and one for OS + programs. I have no idea which SSD are best, I don't know if you can help me out on that one.
Cheers.
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X79 is only compatible with Sandy Bridge-E (possibly later, there may be some Ivy Bridge-E), which is useful mostly to be able to use Intel hex cores. If you want to pay like $250 for a motherboard and $550 for a processor (easily possible in a $200 budget) just for two extra cores, then that's okay I guess. That's what has the best processing power for streaming and some CAD operations. You're just paying a few hundred dollars more for a negligible boost in games and at best around 50% more performance in some tasks.
If you really want to spend $2000, for the purposes you've listed, I'd consider it.
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On April 30 2012 10:55 MoneyHypeMike wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 30 2012 10:48 skyR wrote:
LGA2011 is an enthusiast platform. The few reasons why you build on it is because you need the memory support (64GB) or quad channel provided by it, doing a tri/quad GPU setup, and need hex / octo cores. A motherboard and core i7 3930k would be half your budget.
All Z77 supports PCI-E 3.0 so there's nothing to worry about there. If you missed my edit, you don't want to spend $300 on a board unless you are also getting a GTX 680 or GTX 690. An MSI Z77 GD65 / 80 or ASUS P8Z77-V will be fine.
Power consumption generally goes down as we move onto smaller manufacturing processes. The 40nm cards in the $200-$300 range consumed nearly 200w while the newer 28nm 7850 and 7870 consume close to 100w. An Ivybridge mid-range SLI configuration simply will have a hard time exceeding 500w even with overclocks on everything. Alright, I will check out these Z77 motherboards and the power supply then. If the GTX 660 is not comming out anytime soon, I will just buy a GTX 680. Could you advise me on the SSD? I would like 2 seperate ones (2x 128GB I guess): one for my games and one for OS + programs. I have no idea which SSD are best, I don't know if you can help me out on that one. Cheers.
Intel 520 is arguably the best. Supports esports, five year warranty, exclusive Intel firmware that supposedly fixes the Sandforce BSOD issue that plagued other Sandforce SSDs (eg. OCZ Vertex 3, the Kingston you have listed) and improves on performance.
A single Intel 520 240gb would offer better performance and have better GB per dollar ratio than a pair of Intel 520 120gb.
Keep in mind you're missing a heatsink... Noctua NH-D14 would be the best option unless you want Corsair H100 as they support esports but note that it's also more expensive and louder.
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