EPTAll this video was was Blizzard giving Western countries a small taste of what "e-sports" is about. Remember this is a foreign concept to most. They want it to become slowly palatable to our culture, so they introduced this simple video. Believe me, everyone knew how TL.net would react: like a bunch of stuck up, closed minded, backwards assholes. We didn't fail to deliver, either!
[EP1] Starcraft 2 Battle Report #1 - Page 15
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SaharaDrac
United States76 Posts
All this video was was Blizzard giving Western countries a small taste of what "e-sports" is about. Remember this is a foreign concept to most. They want it to become slowly palatable to our culture, so they introduced this simple video. Believe me, everyone knew how TL.net would react: like a bunch of stuck up, closed minded, backwards assholes. We didn't fail to deliver, either! | ||
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Rucky
United States717 Posts
On December 22 2008 13:33 SaharaDrac wrote: No, no!!! Starcraft 2 sucks, did you see those ROCKS? They were stupid, just like Xel'Naga watchtowers!!!! I hate how it looks like WC3, its like it ISN'T in 2D or something!!! What the fuck Blizz you retards!? All this video was was Blizzard giving Western countries a small taste of what "e-sports" is about. Remember this is a foreign concept to most. They want it to become slowly palatable to our culture, so they introduced this simple video. Believe me, everyone knew how TL.net would react: like a bunch of stuck up, closed minded, backwards assholes. We didn't fail to deliver, either! Srsly(period) | ||
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ForVengeance
United States111 Posts
Also, i DL the video and watched it slightly sped up, to simulate the game being played on "fastest" as close as i could guess based on BW speeds. It looks WAY better and the slowness people are associating with attack animations and movement speeds are mostly gone at that point. Stalker has this ridiculous "kick" animation and the shots fired seem to travel too slow on the current speed setting. But when sped up a bit looks just like BW. I think it will be good. | ||
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ForVengeance
United States111 Posts
Just a thought though. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On December 22 2008 13:33 SaharaDrac wrote: No, no!!! Starcraft 2 sucks, did you see those ROCKS? They were stupid, just like Xel'Naga watchtowers!!!! I hate how it looks like WC3, its like it ISN'T in 2D or something!!! What the fuck Blizz you retards!? All this video was was Blizzard giving Western countries a small taste of what "e-sports" is about. Remember this is a foreign concept to most. They want it to become slowly palatable to our culture, so they introduced this simple video. Believe me, everyone knew how TL.net would react: like a bunch of stuck up, closed minded, backwards assholes. We didn't fail to deliver, either! Hoo boy, settle for mediocrity, that's the way of the true fan!! Can't talk about it cus it's work in progress? Why, cus all games WIP eventually end up as shining examples of god's merciful presence on earth? His divine creation? Get your head screwed on right. Battle report goes back 10 years to the original beta. This is just promotion for the game, there's nothing remotely e-sports about this video. It's a playtest between 2 staffers who are playing the 2 races that are further along. SC went through a lot of revisions (the right kind of revisions) to become what it is today. SC2 is shooting for the moon here, with such a lofty goal I wouldn't hesitate to comment. If something's not right it needs to be said it's not right, and hopefully improved on in the future. | ||
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RinoZerg
Australia130 Posts
The level of promotion in the video is to be expected really. Its free advertising basically, why wouldn't they do it? Hopefully we can see some more of this! Weekly videos! Weekly! Karune doesn't have anything better to do!  | ||
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Rucky
United States717 Posts
In SC2 when you move a group of units, they are just like one after another like clones/mindless zombies following each other. They are always perfectly positioned. The second thing I noticed is the missing attack animations. Even when the stalkers shoot, like in the beginning when the scv is running away, the shot would miss and land on the floor but the scv would take damage and eventually die. When a dragoon fires, once the shot leaves the dragoon, the shot will hit the target even if the unit moves away from firing range. That's something that needs to be fixed. Either make animation hit and damage delt or animation miss means damage not delt, but no one would want the latter. | ||
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
i love to watch it. SC2 will rock as esports and we will be all happy | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On December 22 2008 13:06 .risingdragoon wrote: you know what? you should stay out of this section, cus you got nothing to say. those aren't barricades to make semi-islands you fool. the only thing they do is block scouting. they don't take much of anything to take down unlike the real barricades in promaps with huge hp. that kind of rock barricades are lifted from wc3 singleplayer maps. and WTF does bangwidth have to do with the 2d/3d graphics? if you're talking about the amount of details, that's the whole friggin point right now. the "HQ 3D details" are not only not distinct, they distract by getting in the way. They have 2000 hp. You can change the HP to whatever the fuck you want. In fact, you can do more or less whatever you want in the SC2 editor, you can probably turn the entire map into quagmire if you want to. So could you please, PLEASE not bring up the god damn rocks again? ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/11_Sin%20Pioneer%20Period_thumbnail.jpg) The buildings blocking the path leading to the corners/to the temples blocking your main, all have 2000 hp. That is the exact same amount as those rocks. The person that should not be posting here is you - take a break if you don't feel like explaining why they are different from the SC barricades. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10644 Posts
What I did not like that much: Marauders: A bit too big for my taste and the Rocket could be a bit less *flashy*? The Flamethrower-Buggy: High-Tech Tanks, Mech's in different sizes, Power Armored Marines and even bigger ones (Marauders), stealth flyers and the other new weapon of the Terrans: Beachbuggys with Flamethrowers... eww... | ||
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InRaged
1047 Posts
On December 22 2008 13:06 .risingdragoon wrote: and WTF does bangwidth have to do with the 2d/3d graphics? if you're talking about the amount of details, that's the whole friggin point right now. the "HQ 3D details" are not only not distinct, they distract by getting in the way. mmm... Not at all. The problem is not in details that get in the way. It's quite other way around. The problem is that all the details were lost during video compression. BW is clearer on vods because it's played in 640x480 screen resolution, and that's about it. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10644 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5498 Posts
I'm pretty sure use the same settings for TV and online streams. | ||
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GunsofthePatriots
South Africa991 Posts
On December 22 2008 13:33 SaharaDrac wrote: No, no!!! Starcraft 2 sucks, did you see those ROCKS? They were stupid, just like Xel'Naga watchtowers!!!! I hate how it looks like WC3, its like it ISN'T in 2D or something!!! What the fuck Blizz you retards!? All this video was was Blizzard giving Western countries a small taste of what "e-sports" is about. Remember this is a foreign concept to most. They want it to become slowly palatable to our culture, so they introduced this simple video. Believe me, everyone knew how TL.net would react: like a bunch of stuck up, closed minded, backwards assholes. We didn't fail to deliver, either! You're angry because of fucking rocks and watch towers?... Seriously, get a life. EDIT: Oh, looks like he's been banned  | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On December 23 2008 01:50 GunsofthePatriots wrote: You're angry because of fucking rocks and watch towers?... Seriously, get a life. EDIT: Oh, looks like he's been banned Actually he's being sarcastic, the person complaining about the rocks was .risingdragoon | ||
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Bash
Finland1533 Posts
Also, for the record, SC was an incomprehensible mess to me when it was new to me, too. Please make some attempt at objective thinking here people, or is that too much to ask? | ||
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Phrogs!
Japan521 Posts
But everytime I see an SC2 game like this I'm happy as it seems a really fun game for the spectators. | ||
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V6
147 Posts
You just dont play with love, with love comes trust and trust is earned. I can love the girl but hate her parents and sisters, so i dont need to love blizz or sc2 just becouse I love SC/BW. conservative | ||
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Blacklizard
United States1194 Posts
- From a design standpoint, I'd say it's fine. Proxy attacks were/are a big BW part of Protoss early game options, but they were all or nothing. This makes them doable without being all or nothing. It also gives them an option for dealing with containment which I always felt was a huge weakness in BW Protoss. The Protoss logically need some way around a ranged containment. We can guess that the Zerg will have Muta options or if going land more efficient expansion options and hatchery production outside their main built-in. Terrans always have the tank to fall back on to prevent dangerous containment. Yeah, I felt Protoss were the ones that always were sweating the most back in the day. Do I sound biased to Protosss? I just always root for the underdog. Once SC2 comes out and (if) Protoss seem to have it too easy, I'll switch my stance quickly. Still, Terran with all ranged units, multiple AOE ranged units, units with auto-cast slow... they just sound very scary. I plan on having some fun with Terran. Colossus - Yeah, I feel the same way. Isn't worth the cost in that build of the game. Matchup - I was surprised to see no tanks or whatnot either. Not sure if they kept it simple on purpose, or if the Terran just knew he was building the right counters and stuck with it. On December 19 2008 19:38 Nintu wrote: I'm very impressed. One of my only real concerns is the same that's been voiced a thousand times before. I hope that wasn't the fastest game speed. Hopefully it was 2 notches below the fastest because everything was pretty.. easy to handle. Looked like everything would have been ezpz to do at that speed. 100 apm tops necessary for that stuff. So again, I hope there are 2 speeds faster than that. Other than that it looks amazing and fun. I hope some of the death animations get reworked. I hate seeing every protoss unit die in a generic blue explosion. I don't want long death animations that could confuse battles, but rather unique and distinctive animations. The colossus for example is too large to merely die in a generic small blue explosion. -_-;; I'm also concerned that a single proxy'd pylon can now pump units from anywhere on the map. Protoss simply has too much map control and maneuverability. The whole balance in BW of fighting on your side of the map giving you an advantage because your reinforcements get there first, that's completely destroyed if Protoss can get a single proxy pylon close to the Terran base. If you enjoyed containing Protoss in BW, I think you'll be unimpressed by the rework Protoss mobility has been given. I still think the colossus blows entirely way too much ass. Nothing that is that large should ever be that useless. I assume it costs more than a hellion, and a single hellion was killing probes faster than the Colossus attacking a group of 20 SCV's. Seriously needs a rework. I know it's a different game and will work completely differently, it's just hard to accept such drastic changes to certain matchups. I also wish we had seen some tech from either players. We just saw Marines, Hellions, Marauders and like 2 banshees vs zealots, stalkers and some colossi. I feel like we only saw like 20% of the units from both sides. I wanted to see Siege Tank abuse, dark templar and carriers.  I hope the next battle report is a better display of the Race's arsenal. I also hope it's sooner rather than later. Despite my criticism and pessimism, I really enjoyed what I saw and am extremely excited for SC2. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
I think maybe it's a result of all the shading and soft edges; somehow the more simplistic unit design of SC1 without such sophisticated lighting/shading seems so much easier to take in at a glance. I wish they'd use SC2-style terrain and SC1-style unit design Also, I can't stand the way the units seem to clump together weirdly --- I can't quite explain what bothers me about it but for some reason it doesn't feel right. Is it a result of the absence of magic boxes? I can't tell. But it makes the game less pleasant to look at. Still, nice preview, and I actually found it encouraging, all things considered. | ||
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