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CerebrateHector
Profile Joined January 2024
53 Posts
January 07 2024 15:19 GMT
#1
So, now that balance is up to the community, specially "Community Council", who are they ? how can i write feedback to them ? where is the Community feedback gathered from ? how can i be part of the community council ?

Ive tried to search online, and honestly seems a bit of a black box.

Any ideas ?
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
January 07 2024 15:40 GMT
#2
The community coucil are pro players and (to a lesser extend) community figures.
The community council is not made up by average joes who don t know anything about the game that they are playing (or in many cases) mostly watch
MaxPax
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
January 07 2024 15:41 GMT
#3
I'm assuming you're referring to the Game Balance/Community Council with your question.

The Community Council involves current SC2 pros, former SC2 pros & selected SC2 streamers. I don't know if anyone outside of those circles that is involved with game balance & patches.

Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15996 Posts
January 07 2024 16:07 GMT
#4
On January 08 2024 00:19 CerebrateHector wrote:
how can i write feedback to them ?

Here
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
CerebrateHector
Profile Joined January 2024
53 Posts
January 07 2024 16:21 GMT
#5
The community council is not made up by average joes who don t know anything about the game that they are playing (or in many cases) mostly watch


This is such a fallacy though
, you can be pretty good at balance or strategy, whilst not being a good player yourself.

Think of football coaches, some are not/were not player themselvs.
CerebrateHector
Profile Joined January 2024
53 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-07 16:23:30
January 07 2024 16:23 GMT
#6
The Community Council involves current SC2 pros, former SC2 pros & selected SC2 streamers. I don't know if anyone outside of those circles that is involved with game balance & patches.


Well it seems pretty clear to me they are doing a very bad job with Protoss... and i even play Zerg, but current representation of Protoss on top level pro play demands buffs asap
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16877 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-07 16:30:21
January 07 2024 16:24 GMT
#7
Listen man, the game's designers used to have massive corporate resources behind them; if any one talked the way Idra or Avilo did about David Kim then the massive corp can crush them on many levels. That is no longer the case. The game's balance people are no longer protected.

I respect their privacy. Hopefully, so will everyone else.
On January 08 2024 01:23 CerebrateHector wrote:
Show nested quote +
The Community Council involves current SC2 pros, former SC2 pros & selected SC2 streamers. I don't know if anyone outside of those circles that is involved with game balance & patches.


Well it seems pretty clear to me they are doing a very bad job with Protoss... and i even play Zerg, but current representation of Protoss on top level pro play demands buffs asap

IMO, the Balance Council is doing a great job handling an almost impossible task. Diverse Race games are never 100% balanced and intricate balance also depends on maps.

Over the last 15 years I've played many competitive games. Including C&C3, RA3, CoH, Brood War, SC2, Chess, EA NHL '94 Hockey, Super Tecmo Bowl. None of these games, including Chess, is perfectly balanced.

When playing a competitive game where the infrastructure is running on $0 ... adjust your expectations accordingly. So for games like EA NHL '94, SC2, Super Tecmo Bowl, and Fire Pro Wrestling I get great competitive experiences in a somewhat imbalanced environment. These game are so old... considering what little money I've spent on all these games... I'm getting a great deal.

If you don't like the deal... dude.. the game is 14 years old. Move on. There are a bazillion other really fun multiplayer games to play out there.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
CerebrateHector
Profile Joined January 2024
53 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-07 16:30:16
January 07 2024 16:29 GMT
#8
Listen man, the game's designers used to have massive corporate resources behind them; if any one talked the way Idra or Avilo did about David Kim then the massive corp can crush them on many levels. That is no longer the case. The game's balance people are no longer protected.

I respect their privacy. Hopefully, so will everyone else.


I did not consider this, i just want to pass feedback, they clearly are doing a poor job at balancing Protoss. Its dissapeared from pro play basically. So they may need some help
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16877 Posts
January 07 2024 16:33 GMT
#9
the money has also disappeared from "pro play".
That should be a good indicator of what to expect from the SC2 competitive experience. Relax and have fun.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
CerebrateHector
Profile Joined January 2024
53 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-07 16:43:42
January 07 2024 16:42 GMT
#10
Funny i just saw $500.000 IEM Katowice advertisement. And the fact that there aint money available, doesnt mean that the game should not continue to get balanced.

Hell, look at warcraft, basically proped by the community and Back2Warcraft youtube channel
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-07 16:46:12
January 07 2024 16:45 GMT
#11
On January 08 2024 01:29 CerebrateHector wrote:
Show nested quote +
Listen man, the game's designers used to have massive corporate resources behind them; if any one talked the way Idra or Avilo did about David Kim then the massive corp can crush them on many levels. That is no longer the case. The game's balance people are no longer protected.

I respect their privacy. Hopefully, so will everyone else.


I did not consider this, i just want to pass feedback, they clearly are doing a poor job at balancing Protoss. Its dissapeared from pro play basically. So they may need some help


Well the way things currently stand, it's either we let the current Balance Council handle it, or no more balance patches...ever.

Take it or leave it. Those are your only realistic options at this point.

Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
January 07 2024 16:45 GMT
#12
Don't expect miracles is what I could sum up of the whole topic. Which should be watched upon closely because of the predictable can of worms.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16877 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-07 17:02:11
January 07 2024 17:00 GMT
#13
On January 08 2024 01:42 CerebrateHector wrote:
Funny i just saw $500.000 IEM Katowice advertisement. And the fact that there aint money available, doesnt mean that the game should not continue to get balanced.

Relatively speaking, the money has disappeared from SC2 pro play. The problem is there are many other games offering far more money. This is why we don't have millions of teenagers devoting their lives to reaching the peak of SC2 pay... no money.

And its not just the prize money... its infrastructure money nad resources. Its gone.

On January 08 2024 01:42 CerebrateHector wrote:
Hell, look at warcraft, basically proped by the community and Back2Warcraft youtube channel

Cool, 14 years ago when Blizzard announced no LAN you knew where this was going. Here we are.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
January 07 2024 17:15 GMT
#14
On January 08 2024 02:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2024 01:42 CerebrateHector wrote:
Funny i just saw $500.000 IEM Katowice advertisement. And the fact that there aint money available, doesnt mean that the game should not continue to get balanced.

Relatively speaking, the money has disappeared from SC2 pro play. The problem is there are many other games offering far more money. This is why we don't have millions of teenagers devoting their lives to reaching the peak of SC2 pay... no money.

And its not just the prize money... its infrastructure money nad resources. Its gone.


It could be worse. Without the ESL StarCraft 2 could be in the same situation as Heroes of the Storm.
Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3441 Posts
January 07 2024 17:29 GMT
#15
They chose to take on the task though. I would prefer to revert to the much more balanced queen walk patch than having only hope for Protoss every monday in the esl cup. I believe they could make things good, but all indication shows just a decline. And this optimism while it's good, it is definitely not deserved.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
January 07 2024 17:43 GMT
#16
They don't need your criticism or ideas frankly, everyone that's on the balance council undoubtedly has access to more information and personally HAS more experience watching all of the match ups and trends then any normie on these threads.

That being said, the prolonged hesitation to actually buff Protoss meaningfully is a mystery that I just can't wrap my head around. You damn well know players like Harstem and Rotterdamn are on the Balance Council, so it's just very bizarre to me that buffs weren't/aren't being pursued more aggressively.

ZvP seems mostly fine, but PvT is still an absolute mess for Protoss.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3432 Posts
January 07 2024 19:37 GMT
#17
To be honest they need to revert the change to the Cyclone, or making it half-way between the current and previous one. The change didnt stabilize any of the Terran matchup, just making it more chaotic then ever. We dont really need Terran to have anothet tools to kill everything 3-4 minutes into the game by massing a single unit. At least Bio require stim research and give some good indication, Cyclone just rolling out and deal massive damage is insane to watch.
ZeroByte13
Profile Joined March 2022
774 Posts
January 07 2024 20:35 GMT
#18
On January 08 2024 01:29 CerebrateHector wrote:
they clearly are doing a poor job at balancing Protoss. Its dissapeared from pro play basically.
Most tournaments have as many Protoss as Terran and Zerg combined.
It's just that the top-8 are Terran and Zerg dominated, but everything below the very top is Protoss dominated.
Do you want Ro32 to have 20 Protoss players when it's already often 14-16?
CerebrateHector
Profile Joined January 2024
53 Posts
January 07 2024 21:17 GMT
#19
In the top 10 of IEM there is only 1 protoss, and that is Classic, everything else is just Zerg and Terran.

Who cares about the mediocre ?... Only the top elite matters
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
January 07 2024 21:53 GMT
#20
Go to Reddit. They're always complaining about balance there.
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