EPTIve tried to search online, and honestly seems a bit of a black box.
Any ideas ?
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CerebrateHector
53 Posts
Ive tried to search online, and honestly seems a bit of a black box. Any ideas ? | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
The community council is not made up by average joes who don t know anything about the game that they are playing (or in many cases) mostly watch | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States598 Posts
The Community Council involves current SC2 pros, former SC2 pros & selected SC2 streamers. I don't know if anyone outside of those circles that is involved with game balance & patches. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On January 08 2024 00:19 CerebrateHector wrote: how can i write feedback to them ? Here | ||
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CerebrateHector
53 Posts
The community council is not made up by average joes who don t know anything about the game that they are playing (or in many cases) mostly watch This is such a fallacy though, you can be pretty good at balance or strategy, whilst not being a good player yourself. Think of football coaches, some are not/were not player themselvs. | ||
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CerebrateHector
53 Posts
The Community Council involves current SC2 pros, former SC2 pros & selected SC2 streamers. I don't know if anyone outside of those circles that is involved with game balance & patches. Well it seems pretty clear to me they are doing a very bad job with Protoss... and i even play Zerg, but current representation of Protoss on top level pro play demands buffs asap | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16600 Posts
I respect their privacy. Hopefully, so will everyone else. On January 08 2024 01:23 CerebrateHector wrote: Well it seems pretty clear to me they are doing a very bad job with Protoss... and i even play Zerg, but current representation of Protoss on top level pro play demands buffs asap IMO, the Balance Council is doing a great job handling an almost impossible task. Diverse Race games are never 100% balanced and intricate balance also depends on maps. Over the last 15 years I've played many competitive games. Including C&C3, RA3, CoH, Brood War, SC2, Chess, EA NHL '94 Hockey, Super Tecmo Bowl. None of these games, including Chess, is perfectly balanced. When playing a competitive game where the infrastructure is running on $0 ... adjust your expectations accordingly. So for games like EA NHL '94, SC2, Super Tecmo Bowl, and Fire Pro Wrestling I get great competitive experiences in a somewhat imbalanced environment. These game are so old... considering what little money I've spent on all these games... I'm getting a great deal. If you don't like the deal... dude.. the game is 14 years old. Move on. There are a bazillion other really fun multiplayer games to play out there. | ||
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CerebrateHector
53 Posts
Listen man, the game's designers used to have massive corporate resources behind them; if any one talked the way Idra or Avilo did about David Kim then the massive corp can crush them on many levels. That is no longer the case. The game's balance people are no longer protected. I respect their privacy. Hopefully, so will everyone else. I did not consider this, i just want to pass feedback, they clearly are doing a poor job at balancing Protoss. Its dissapeared from pro play basically. So they may need some help | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16600 Posts
 That should be a good indicator of what to expect from the SC2 competitive experience. Relax and have fun. | ||
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CerebrateHector
53 Posts
Hell, look at warcraft, basically proped by the community and Back2Warcraft youtube channel | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States598 Posts
On January 08 2024 01:29 CerebrateHector wrote: I did not consider this, i just want to pass feedback, they clearly are doing a poor job at balancing Protoss. Its dissapeared from pro play basically. So they may need some help Well the way things currently stand, it's either we let the current Balance Council handle it, or no more balance patches...ever. Take it or leave it. Those are your only realistic options at this point. | ||
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Philippe
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16600 Posts
On January 08 2024 01:42 CerebrateHector wrote: Funny i just saw $500.000 IEM Katowice advertisement. And the fact that there aint money available, doesnt mean that the game should not continue to get balanced. Relatively speaking, the money has disappeared from SC2 pro play. The problem is there are many other games offering far more money. This is why we don't have millions of teenagers devoting their lives to reaching the peak of SC2 pay... no money. And its not just the prize money... its infrastructure money nad resources. Its gone. On January 08 2024 01:42 CerebrateHector wrote: Hell, look at warcraft, basically proped by the community and Back2Warcraft youtube channel Cool, 14 years ago when Blizzard announced no LAN you knew where this was going. Here we are. | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States598 Posts
On January 08 2024 02:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Relatively speaking, the money has disappeared from SC2 pro play. The problem is there are many other games offering far more money. This is why we don't have millions of teenagers devoting their lives to reaching the peak of SC2 pay... no money. And its not just the prize money... its infrastructure money nad resources. Its gone. It could be worse. Without the ESL StarCraft 2 could be in the same situation as Heroes of the Storm. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3340 Posts
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Beelzebub1
1004 Posts
That being said, the prolonged hesitation to actually buff Protoss meaningfully is a mystery that I just can't wrap my head around. You damn well know players like Harstem and Rotterdamn are on the Balance Council, so it's just very bizarre to me that buffs weren't/aren't being pursued more aggressively. ZvP seems mostly fine, but PvT is still an absolute mess for Protoss. | ||
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tigera6
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ZeroByte13
747 Posts
On January 08 2024 01:29 CerebrateHector wrote: Most tournaments have as many Protoss as Terran and Zerg combined.they clearly are doing a poor job at balancing Protoss. Its dissapeared from pro play basically. It's just that the top-8 are Terran and Zerg dominated, but everything below the very top is Protoss dominated. Do you want Ro32 to have 20 Protoss players when it's already often 14-16? | ||
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CerebrateHector
53 Posts
Who cares about the mediocre ?... Only the top elite matters | ||
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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
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ZeroByte13
747 Posts
On January 08 2024 06:17 CerebrateHector wrote: Top 20 and top 30 players in the world are mediocre just because they're not in top 10?Who cares about the mediocre ?... Only the top elite matters If you're not at Serral, Maru, Reynor or Clem level - you "don't matter"? What a nice take. And you want to watch endless PvP and PvX for most of the tournament until Ro8 starts? | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1098 Posts
On January 08 2024 06:17 CerebrateHector wrote: In the top 10 of IEM there is only 1 protoss, and that is Classic, everything else is just Zerg and Terran. Who cares about the mediocre ?... Only the top elite matters If nobody cares about the mediocre, nobody should care about your opinion. Everyone that is not a Top 8 player is from now on banned of making balance-comments, deal? In other news: it is incredibly stupid to look at one tournament and say "there, balance". Look how some of the protoss in Knockout-Stage got eliminated: herO beats Maru 3-2 and then loses to Heromarine 1-3. Harstem beats Reynor 3-1 and then loses to Oliveira 0-3. Creators wins slightly against Kelazhur and then loses also very slightly to GuMiho. Nothing of that screams "imbalance", though it might indicate some PvT-problems (though honestly, in which world do you beat Maru in a Terran-favored matchup and then lose horribly against Heromarine?). | ||
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Maksim2010
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I wasbanned fromthis
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CerebrateHector
53 Posts
Serral 4350 2 Clem 3292 3 dark (kr) 2997 4 GuMiho 2547 5 cure 2495 6 Solar 2374 7 Maru 2130 8 ByuN 1746 9 Classic 1679 10 Reynor 1544 If you're not at Serral, Maru, Reynor or Clem level - you "don't matter"? For balance reasons obviously.... the top 10 only has Classic in it .. and at number 9 (i believe he is as good as the others but Protoss is weak) The top 5 has 5 Terrans, 4 Zergs (number 1 and 3 tho), and 1 Protoss at 10... IF you include top 20 its only marginally better, at 5 Protoss, only 1 top 10, 10 terrans, and 5 Zergs (But again the zerg are in the top 10, 4 out of 10, and the Best player is Zerg) | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom815 Posts
Balance changes since have been as you'd expect. It's not worth worrying about. Either you have fun playing the game or you don't. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1162 Posts
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LostUsername100
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Infested.rine
33 Posts
Thanks | ||
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franzji
United States581 Posts
Personally I would love for them to look at new protoss upgrades or some other new toy besides what they did to the mothership... Give players more chances to differentiate themselves. Or tone down Terran. my two cents. | ||
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sidasf
73 Posts
On January 08 2024 02:43 Beelzebub1 wrote: They don't need your criticism or ideas frankly, everyone that's on the balance council undoubtedly has access to more information and personally HAS more experience watching all of the match ups and trends then any normie on these threads. That being said, the prolonged hesitation to actually buff Protoss meaningfully is a mystery that I just can't wrap my head around. You damn well know players like Harstem and Rotterdamn are on the Balance Council, so it's just very bizarre to me that buffs weren't/aren't being pursued more aggressively. ZvP seems mostly fine, but PvT is still an absolute mess for Protoss. Oh stop kissing their ass. They literally buffed fucking widow mines last patch. The previous two patches were really good imo-this last patch, something has gone haywire and I'm glad people are still criticizing it. Protoss got hugely buffed vs zerg via zerg nerfs. But like you said, pvt remains ass. Which is weird because I don't think pvz was a problem to begin with. On January 08 2024 21:52 LostUsername100 wrote: Please undelete the broodlord is my request if you're reading community council. Yes, god, please. | ||
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