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Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
August 09 2007 13:04 GMT
#21
one can only hope
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32084 Posts
August 09 2007 13:33 GMT
#22
Probably not. America and most other countries already don't care much for fps games (which, given the short attention span of most viewers, would be the easiest genre to cover), so what makes anyone think sc2 will be different? I like bw too, but pretty much everyone here has a clear bias that is clouding their logic.

probably the first step in getting people interested would be speeding up the game. I dont like the idea, but in this instance, Entropy's 6 worker start would be nice. No more 2 minutes before action starts.

Think if you were a tv station that was broadcasting the games. Who in their right mind would wanna watch the first two minutes where you just mine and set up builds? (unless your cheesing or something of course) Hell, in reps, im sure most of us speed up the first two minutes, nothing happens usually. While myself and other gamers know that those first two minutes are integral to the game, the tv station, advertisers and viewers don't know and could probably give a damn, it wont sell.

Second is breaking the dork stereotype associated with BW and having a way for newbies to understand the game. To accomplish this, you would need a charismatic broadcaster that doesn't come off as a nerd, but knows the game and can relate it in layman's terms to the public. Basically, you need someone in Tasteless's mold.

Even then, it's still a very big longshot
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Brutalisk
Profile Joined February 2007
794 Posts
August 09 2007 13:50 GMT
#23
It will happen, but maybe it'll take another generation. The young people are often "gamers" nowadays, while the old ones aren't. So this problem will solve itself soon. *evil laugh*
Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
August 09 2007 13:59 GMT
#24
I think belief in fan death has a better chance of catching on internationally than Starcraft mania.
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Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-09 14:08:01
August 09 2007 14:04 GMT
#25
On August 09 2007 22:33 Hawk wrote:
Second is breaking the dork stereotype associated with BW and having a way for newbies to understand the game. To accomplish this, you would need a charismatic broadcaster that doesn't come off as a nerd, but knows the game and can relate it in layman's terms to the public. Basically, you need someone in Tasteless's mold.

You need an AW(Attractive woman) commentator wich would solve the "nerd label" in an instant, just like it does for everything else since the defenition of nerdy things are those that you cant find aw's doing/liking/showing interest in.

As for the other things, sc2 already starts with 6 workers.
ViRii
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States826 Posts
August 09 2007 14:16 GMT
#26
The problem is, America has no clue what eSports are.

Go ask a radio station, a group of 30-40 year old adults, go ask 90% of kids in high school.

Think back to when you got into it, was it by someone you knew? Was it by you stumbling onto it on the internet? I know it wasn't successful promotion by something like ICCup, Excello Cup, BlizzCon, CAL, etc.

I think sc2 will bring back the rts genre to America, and I'm going to do my damndest to make it succeed. But if eSports ever wants to be taken seriously, it needs to step into the light and show everyone what it is.
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
August 09 2007 14:21 GMT
#27
I dunno if it needs really hot people commentating, just people who dont look nerdy and dont dress it, and you can basically turn any nerd into an ok looking person. Do you think the pro gamers on MBC/OGN go on without someone fixing their hair and putting a bit of make up on them? Look at one of Saviors vods and look at the BlizzCon photo, where he doesnt look as good as he does on TV games.

And of course North Americans fucking LOVE drama. You'd have to get scripted conversations or something to get rivalries. I just hope it never gets to scripted games though.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 09 2007 14:22 GMT
#28
On August 09 2007 20:36 Flooper wrote:
Slim chance with trash like Halo 3 being shoved down the throats of gamers by Micro$oft.

Americans like crappy fps games like Halo and Counterstrike. Back when I played quake 3, which was like the starcraft of fps games, we were in the minority because the masses were infatuated with camperstrike. While I was tearing it up in Street Fighter 3rd strike, most people were lined up at the Tekken machine.

Starcraft 2 will be too good of a game for the American public. Americans prefer flash over substance and I don't think a sci-fi game that isn't Halo will be cool enough for the legions of teenage gutter trash.

Isn't tekken a pretty good game tho..? I'm not a fighting game player - at least not a serious one - but given that it has/had a huuuuuuge following in Korea, for instance, I'd assume it's a good competitive game?
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alien3456
Profile Joined June 2007
United States115 Posts
August 09 2007 14:25 GMT
#29
If SC2 gets a TV show (would have to be 1-2 hours long) dedicated to SC2, then it would probably get a small surge of popularity. But I don't think it will become culturally anywhere near as popular as SC is in Korea.

The most popular games here in America don't even get TV attention. Halo, WoW or Counter Strike are probably the most popular games, but none of them get TV attention. Maybe some 5 minute, abridged version of competitive games, but the games themselves has never become an actual spectator show. I've seen some specials about competitive gaming on MTV and G4, but it was mainly the announcer telling you which side is winning, showing very little gameplay, and focusing the camera on the announcer/players.

Blizzard hasn't failed in the realm of PC games. Maybe they should try their hand at TV stations.
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-09 14:31:12
August 09 2007 14:30 GMT
#30
Blizzard should hire Tasteless and start their own online BlizzardTV channel Then organize a league and annual tournaments. Every dollar spent this way would at least double back to them in game sales if it helps progaming internationally xD
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32084 Posts
August 09 2007 14:36 GMT
#31
On August 09 2007 23:21 rushz0rz wrote:
I dunno if it needs really hot people commentating, just people who dont look nerdy and dont dress it, and you can basically turn any nerd into an ok looking person. Do you think the pro gamers on MBC/OGN go on without someone fixing their hair and putting a bit of make up on them? Look at one of Saviors vods and look at the BlizzCon photo, where he doesnt look as good as he does on TV games.

And of course North Americans fucking LOVE drama. You'd have to get scripted conversations or something to get rivalries. I just hope it never gets to scripted games though.


You can dress someone up as much as you want, but that's not going to change their personality. Good commentary is essential to any sport and you're not going to get it with a nerd who knows it all but entertains no one.
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alien3456
Profile Joined June 2007
United States115 Posts
August 09 2007 14:52 GMT
#32
Yea, commentators aren't hired for simply their knowledge of the game. They have to be colorful people who can keep viewers interested by sharing their interest and excitement.

I'm not a big fan of the Tasteless hype (he's sometimes talked about like the only man possible for any English SC-related job), but he is a really good commentator. He lets you know what's going on, he doesn't try to impress anyone with terms and explaining in-depth weird strategies, he's gets excited and is entertaining. I don't know what else to ask for in a commentator. Knowledge of the game is an absolute must, but so is an entertaining persona. Commentary for sports requires both.
SnoopySnacks
Profile Joined May 2003
Tarsonis903 Posts
August 09 2007 15:15 GMT
#33
nope.
Holy shit I'm good. Why u easy?
BigSausage
Profile Joined July 2007
Canada194 Posts
August 09 2007 15:21 GMT
#34
never, no interest, dont care, waste of money and time. asian culture and western culture r different.
Colbi
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States535 Posts
August 09 2007 15:25 GMT
#35
One major problem with showing Starcraft on television in the United States is the time restraints. A match of Starcraft could last anywhere from 5 minutes to over 1 hour. It would be too difficult to try to show a match live without knowing exactly when it will end. The only way they could really do it is showing highlights of the matches along with live commentator, but that wouldn't be nearly as interesting to watch.
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EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
August 09 2007 15:30 GMT
#36
pfft just get a gaming channel MBC / OGN needs to get a american gaming channel running asaply
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5449 Posts
August 09 2007 15:32 GMT
#37
E-sports might rise up a bit and we might have a channel that broadcasts it, but I can guarantee it wouldn't be even close to mainstream popular. Not for many, many years. If it comes out soon, it will be low budget, with the people in charge of marketing not understanding why we would actually want to watch such a show.

If I think of my friends... the people I've associated with in high school and university, maybe 1% of them would watch a whole game of SC2 on TV and enjoy it. Because a very small percentage of them have even heard of something like Starcraft, much less played it beyond a few games casually.



BigSausage
Profile Joined July 2007
Canada194 Posts
August 09 2007 15:36 GMT
#38
u dont ahve no market for sc, americans dont like sc, they like ps3, xbox and other pc games. so u cant just ahve sc channel and shit
Famehunter
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada586 Posts
August 09 2007 15:42 GMT
#39
On August 09 2007 16:59 GuGo wrote:


How could Blizzard encourage Sc2 e-sport?




When the game comes out, there is gunna be a huge buzz about it no doubt.
Im also hoping that pro gaming becomes bigger here in north america.
But how can blizzard help? Well first off there needs to be an audience.
If you saw the pro games at blizzcon you have noticed that the crowd was not cheering as much as the crowds from korean e-sports. There is a big cultural difference there.
The fact that starcraft has became so big in Korea is because they have an audience.
With an audience you can get revenues from sponsorship and thats how e-sports becomes good entertainement. So how can Blizz help develop this in America? Imo it all comes down to if they are willing to put the bucks into the sport. But is that really Blizzards role? If other broadcasting companies think there is no market in America for pro gaming, will Blizzard be able to make any difference? I think nobody has the answer to this, we`just have to wait and see.
Personally I would pay for adding a channel of pro gaming in my digital cable account, but would a broader audience do the same? I have doubts, it all comes down to profitability.
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oHInsane
Profile Joined February 2005
France727 Posts
August 09 2007 15:51 GMT
#40
I think the time of the video games broadcasting will come soon in Europe. After all, we already have some channels that broadcast news about video games and also some video games tournament (like some PES match for instance). So i think we are still far from the audience in Korea, but we are coming closer and closer to it.
Our generation (let's say people that are under thirty years old) have influence now on wether or not we should expand the broadcasting of Esports on TV. So i have hope.
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