New Terran Units shown from Swedish mag scans? - Page 8

On July 17 2007 16:13 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:


Here is what my post was mainly referring to, as you would have known if you had looked at who Your example of the Honda Civic illustrates my point exactly. If I were to say "The 1975 Civic is a much better car than the 2008 Civic" you would probably laugh in my face. Same thing with the SC units.

On July 18 2007 07:03 Schism wrote:
The zealot looks better,according to you. That's my point,everything is subjective,except the gameplay. Either it will rock on, or it will be another C&C. As someone else said earlier,we actually notice the graphics for what,maybe 1 day after buying the game? I've been playing SC/BW since the beginning, and i couldn't describe what an ultra looks like to someone if my life depended on it. My best go would be something like:

"um,a big orange thing,about 4 times the size of a marine.With tusks"

"how big is a marine?"

"dunno"

On July 18 2007 06:52 lololol wrote:
Scanning should at least show some sign on the opponents minimap, so he knows if you scouted his hidden tech/expand/army/whatever or not

On July 17 2007 21:25 SuperJongMan wrote:
Well, screw that... the DT is so stupid... REALLY stupid looking.

Why aren't more people upset at the DT model? It's as bad as the Soul Hunter ~_~

On July 18 2007 07:57 Blacklizard wrote:


If I haven't made it clear... it bothers me more than the Soul Hunter model b/c it's an old unit gone bad. I'm with you! I'm trying to be 99% certain this is placeholder art, just like the really goofy reaver art.

On July 18 2007 06:50 Schism wrote:
SC2 is set a few years after BW,obviously. Protoss homeworld has been exterminated. Why wouldn't some of their weapons and technology change? Before,DT was an assassin with a blade. Now they have a scythe,maybe a more active combat role by necessity. The units will suit the story,not vice versa. When the USA invades Iran,you want them to use P-51 Mustangs and sherman tanks?

I know it's a fantasy universe but still, the Protoss MUST advance their technologies, even on their old units, or they will be completely destroyed. In the end,who cares about graphics. Sometimes i sit there and actually LOOK at some bw units and think...this is THE worst looking game ever. As long as SC2 plays well, they can have the teletubbies as frontline toss units,who gives a shit.

On July 18 2007 07:55 Blacklizard wrote:


Not a bad idea. The scanner flurry or whatever we have now is good, but maybe make it last longer. If SC2 becomes a 5 base macrofest like SC, the split second disply isnt't quite enough.

On July 18 2007 07:42 Blacklizard wrote:
I didn't proofread this, but i gotta finish this post up:

To FA:

Thx for the comments. I have been inspired to return to some of my long/detailed posting habits as there has been much good discussion, a lot of which comes from you yourself! All the progaming and SC2 hype has got me going.

Yes, Terrans being stuck in base without scan is a definite thing to watch out for. If stuck in base too long, it definitely leads to auto-advantage for the other guy. I bet you'd agree that stuck for a little while is a good thing for variety and tech options in certain MUs though (not necessarily the terran). As always, gotta have the right balance.

I was surprised to see Reavers apparently becoming popular again. It's early in the morning... I can't remember... is it mostly due to Monty Hall? Anyway, you probably know how huge reavers were before the reaver/shuttle nerf. If I recall, even after that I had lots of fun catching zerg who got a little too greedy (hehe) and caught them immediately before hydras/mutas with reavers during a period of time. Good to see them on the comeback... I'd name my next child after Bob Fitch if he'd fix the pathing on the scarabs though!

Speaking of greed vs calculated risk... yeah, in the current environment/maps, I will concede that it's not usually a sloppy/greedy risk, but a calculated one. Same for the cheese tactics really. This is one thing that I like about the pro scene and TL in general... cheese and crazy builds are more often than not accepted as part of the game. As it should be. Anyway, I just call it being greedy out of ease of getting the point across and it makes me grin when they die. I have no doube Nada knows what he's doing when he FEs. I have tried FE on Longinus II and Luna as T and P and it does work pretty well even in public games. It goes back to a semi-recent post that touched on how well/smatly pros defend against early offense, and how that pushes the game to more and more macro, which in turn pushes the game into even more macro... finally to the point that early offense works (viable strat) again. Maybe that's what we are seeing with the reavers.

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I think the same argument can be used for the overlord, mostly. Although vs a wraith opening or sair/reaver they can't really stay out in the field, but normally they can cover the map more or less and you have to build them anyway.]]

I won't disagree here... the overlord is pretty damn good even at slow speeds. And then 25 cent zerglings to cover the rest of the land... yeah zerg scouting isn't bad. But I'm still surprised by how effective sair openings have turned out. In my time, I had always found them to be weak way back when... but then again I usually left options for mass hydra and lord speed vs P by default. And here we go back to the environment and maps and at what point each BO becomes the standard or the risky build. That's one thing I like about Bisu (and Stork surprised me lately too)... he seems very flexible on builds and makes them work. While I'm at it, the pounding Iris gave Stork was (sorry Stork), pretty beautful.

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I don't think the dark templar is built purely for the chance of catching terrans off-guard. I think forcing the terran to invest in detection, possibly delaying the command center, giving you room to expand, stopping fast 2fac rushes to some extent and giving you access to fast arbiters are solid enough reasons to get them.]]

I agree with you here. A long time ago, the dark templar "rush" vs Terran followed by a certain degree of expanding/teching was very effective on the right maps.

And I also agree DTs shouldn't be game ending if Terran is building fairly normal and leave some room for anti-cloak options.

On July 18 2007 07:14 Hawk wrote:


That's a poor analogy, because no one regarded the 75 civic as anything worthwhile. It was a run of the mill average car then.

If you were goin to compare it to anything, take the GTO. The GTO of years ago is regarded as your classic, bad ass american sports car. It stood out from the crowd because it was so much better. But when they remade it, they completely shit all over its herritage. It looked so bland and you'd be hard pressed to differentiate it from any other cars on the road. The people who designed it clearly had a poor idea of how to make a new-age sports car that stands out from the crowd. The only reason that thing sold at all was because it had the name GTO. And I'd say the same goes for about 95% of the people here—we're gonna buy it regardless.

But even though it's not even in alpha, I'm really starting to think that I will wait for one of my friends with $$ to buy it and just try it out at their place. There's a real lot here that needs to change