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AxiomBlurr
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Thank you to all the players, casters, organizers and observers, SC2 is a beautiful game, may our scene live long!!! <3 | ||
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scbwsc2
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DBooN
Germany2310 Posts
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pzlama333
United States210 Posts
On November 03 2019 07:30 Waxangel wrote: I didn't know you called "Has" as "Reynor" in Chinese community Well, I would say, though Has also has the same aura, there's a little difference. It says, when you play against Has, he will lower your level to be same as his, and he has more experience at this level. However, Has has limit and cannot play better. But for someone else like Reynor, he may play better, but when Reynor activate his aura, both Reynor himself and his opponent would play terrible. | ||
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DSh1
276 Posts
On November 03 2019 07:46 kajtarp wrote: Im still upset to Reynor. Beating Serral to give us a shitty finals. Serral vs Dark could have been an awesome final. I feel you. Feeling upset that Classic won against Rogue to give Rogue chance to beat Dark  But if anyone had to Protoss cheese, I guess Classic is the most forgivable. | ||
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DSh1
276 Posts
On November 03 2019 13:06 DSh1 wrote: I feel you. Feeling upset that Classic won against Rogue to deny Rogue chance to beat Dark But if anyone had to Protoss cheese, I guess Classic is the most forgivable. | ||
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ThunderJunk
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Ej_
45968 Posts
Everything good on TeamSerral.net | ||
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HeroSandro
130 Posts
On November 03 2019 15:08 Ej_ wrote: It's nice that Xainon found a way to derail a thread about Dark's victory as well. Everything good on TeamSerral.net Let me be honest: there are Serral fanboys (count me in) and then there are people who bash him all the time. Those, let´s call them "haters", pretend to be the paragons of objectivity that simply point out the rampart fanaticism of Serral fans. In my opinion this is highly dishonest and their attitude is often really toxic. Every victor Serral gets is swept aside by: "not a GSL" or "did not defeat Maru" -level of comments. Summa summarum: nobody is perfect, but let us recognize our own faults also. | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China512 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany198 Posts
The content | ||
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StarcraftSquall
United States188 Posts
THAT BEING SAID: I feel the last two BlizzCons we have been robbed of the best finals matchup. I think we DID get the correct top four this year but I really wanted to at least see a Serral Dark match after being denied Serral Maru last year. This is the second year in a row it hasn’t been a matchup of the two best players from the year. No disrespect to Reynor; but until he elevates his play to consistently win against higher tier players like Serral has (yes I get the irony since he won head to head) he won’t be viewed as a serious threat for title contender. Once he advanced I knew the likelihood of a stellar finals was pretty low. So, Reynor- we know you can match Serral: but can you start beating Korea as much as Serral has? That’s the REAL question you need to answer next year. Looking forward to the reply. | ||
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opisska
Poland8821 Posts
I have been watching SC2 from about 2011 and I soon found out that GSL is what I care about the most. I didn't watch it religiously, but when I had time, I would tune in, the late morning slot was actually great considering my lax working hours and I become a relatively invested fan. But the last few years, GSL seems a little bit like a ghost town, there are virtually no knew people coming, old greats are leaving and the whole thing seems like a competition of who gets bored with SC2 the latest or who was the youngest when they started and thus can postpone military duty the longest. And this is, to a large extent, caused by the heavily limited chances any prospective Korean player would have to compete for any significant money outside of the few GSLs during the year. Fair enough, so Blizzard took a huge dump on the country that created the whole idea of eSports and all the people in it. Let's see what it was for: they have sacrificed all this greatness that Korean SC2 used to be to "nurture a scene" that has produced a whooping 2 players that can get out of Ro16 at Blizzcon - and even that happened basically thanks to making their race OP enough so that they have to worry mostly about being really good at ZvZ, because the other matchups play themselves at this moment. Or are we still pretending this is not on purpose, to maintain the aura that this is somewhat fair? Anyway, was that really worth it? The whole experiment with region lock is obviously a complete failure, it hugely disrespects the people in Korea who made this thing happen in this first place and alienates all their fans ... like me. Ironically, I still enjoy playing the game - I haven't actually found time to play it in a long time, but some of my great friends (found originally at this forum, in the olden times when there was any veneer of friendliness around here) convinced me to play some teams with them and man, is that still so much fun. I even went so far to play 1v1s and that's still thrilling as ever. But watching SC2 has gone from a thing that used to be on in our house almost every day at some point (somewhat like a TV in background for normies) to something we don't even think about much of doing. For me, this is really the end of an era and it's a pretty sad one seeing how said era was destroyed for stupid reasons that have not even turned out to be reached. Piss out. | ||
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Anc13nt
1019 Posts
On November 03 2019 17:11 opisska wrote: I watched the first game, then opted for sex with my wife instead of the second one and went to sleep, favoring and early morning start the other day so that I can stop by to try to find a rare species of goose on my way to Prague instead of staying up for SC2. Maybe it's me getting old or just moving on with my life, or just the terrible anti-european schedule of the whole thing (starting with Ro16 already) but I think the current situation with the SC2 competition is a part of it, it's simply not as attractive to me as it used to be. I have been watching SC2 from about 2011 and I soon found out that GSL is what I care about the most. I didn't watch it religiously, but when I had time, I would tune in, the late morning slot was actually great considering my lax working hours and I become a relatively invested fan. But the last few years, GSL seems a little bit like a ghost town, there are virtually no knew people coming, old greats are leaving and the whole thing seems like a competition of who gets bored with SC2 the latest or who was the youngest when they started and thus can postpone military duty the longest. And this is, to a large extent, caused by the heavily limited chances any prospective Korean player would have to compete for any significant money outside of the few GSLs during the year. Fair enough, so Blizzard took a huge dump on the country that created the whole idea of eSports and all the people in it. Let's see what it was for: they have sacrificed all this greatness that Korean SC2 used to be to "nurture a scene" that has produced a whooping 2 players that can get out of Ro16 at Blizzcon - and even that happened basically thanks to making their race OP enough so that they have to worry mostly about being really good at ZvZ, because the other matchups play themselves at this moment. Or are we still pretending this is not on purpose, to maintain the aura that this is somewhat fair? Anyway, was that really worth it? The whole experiment with region lock is obviously a complete failure, it hugely disrespects the people in Korea who made this thing happen in this first place and alienates all their fans ... like me. Ironically, I still enjoy playing the game - I haven't actually found time to play it in a long time, but some of my great friends (found originally at this forum, in the olden times when there was any veneer of friendliness around here) convinced me to play some teams with them and man, is that still so much fun. I even went so far to play 1v1s and that's still thrilling as ever. But watching SC2 has gone from a thing that used to be on in our house almost every day at some point (somewhat like a TV in background for normies) to something we don't even think about much of doing. For me, this is really the end of an era and it's a pretty sad one seeing how said era was destroyed for stupid reasons that have not even turned out to be reached. Piss out. I lol'd at the first sentence and the last. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2051 Posts
On November 03 2019 07:28 Xain0n wrote: Dark was constantly good this year but he was far from looking the best; soO, Inno, Classic, Maru, Stats, Serral, Rogue all looked stronger than Dark in 2019. Dark looked unstoppable yesterday and, before, at Super Tournament. I am still convinced he is not the best current player(debatable), but he has had the best accomplishment this year. INno is my fav' but i can't see how he looked stronger than Dark overall this year. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany13122 Posts
On November 03 2019 17:27 Mun_Su wrote: INno is my fav' but i can't see how he looked stronger than Dark overall this year. it's better to not respond to his posts | ||
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pichoo
Australia115 Posts
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dspnebula
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Agh
United States740 Posts
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Anc13nt
1019 Posts
On November 03 2019 17:11 opisska wrote: I watched the first game, then opted for sex with my wife instead of the second one and went to sleep, favoring and early morning start the other day so that I can stop by to try to find a rare species of goose on my way to Prague instead of staying up for SC2. Maybe it's me getting old or just moving on with my life, or just the terrible anti-european schedule of the whole thing (starting with Ro16 already) but I think the current situation with the SC2 competition is a part of it, it's simply not as attractive to me as it used to be. I have been watching SC2 from about 2011 and I soon found out that GSL is what I care about the most. I didn't watch it religiously, but when I had time, I would tune in, the late morning slot was actually great considering my lax working hours and I become a relatively invested fan. But the last few years, GSL seems a little bit like a ghost town, there are virtually no knew people coming, old greats are leaving and the whole thing seems like a competition of who gets bored with SC2 the latest or who was the youngest when they started and thus can postpone military duty the longest. And this is, to a large extent, caused by the heavily limited chances any prospective Korean player would have to compete for any significant money outside of the few GSLs during the year. Fair enough, so Blizzard took a huge dump on the country that created the whole idea of eSports and all the people in it. Let's see what it was for: they have sacrificed all this greatness that Korean SC2 used to be to "nurture a scene" that has produced a whooping 2 players that can get out of Ro16 at Blizzcon - and even that happened basically thanks to making their race OP enough so that they have to worry mostly about being really good at ZvZ, because the other matchups play themselves at this moment. Or are we still pretending this is not on purpose, to maintain the aura that this is somewhat fair? Anyway, was that really worth it? The whole experiment with region lock is obviously a complete failure, it hugely disrespects the people in Korea who made this thing happen in this first place and alienates all their fans ... like me. Ironically, I still enjoy playing the game - I haven't actually found time to play it in a long time, but some of my great friends (found originally at this forum, in the olden times when there was any veneer of friendliness around here) convinced me to play some teams with them and man, is that still so much fun. I even went so far to play 1v1s and that's still thrilling as ever. But watching SC2 has gone from a thing that used to be on in our house almost every day at some point (somewhat like a TV in background for normies) to something we don't even think about much of doing. For me, this is really the end of an era and it's a pretty sad one seeing how said era was destroyed for stupid reasons that have not even turned out to be reached. Piss out. Also to add to my previous post, I still find SC2 almost as entertaining as I used but I've only been a big fan for a few years in fairness. That said, I agree with a lot of your sentiments; winning it no longer feels as grand and momentous as it used to. I remember after GSL vs the World this year, I wasn't as hyped for the GSL season 3 finals as I would normally be because winning it feels more like winning any ordinary tournament. As an INnoVation fan, I think your point that "old greats are leaving and the whole thing seems like a competition of who gets bored with SC2 the latest" resonates with me the most. It disappoints me to see him drop out so early in most tournaments nowadays and lose to opponents he would have seldom lost to in his prime. When he won WESG, I felt like he finally returned to his old form but now I think it was his last hurrah. I sometimes feel like INnoVation, of possibly all the top Korean players, has lost the most passion for the game. It does seem to me that Blizzard is least likely to nerf Zerg and has been for a while. Many Terran units like the Reaper and Raven were nerfed immediately after ByuN and Maru, respectively, enjoyed considerable success with them. However, when I looked at the balance of those eras, it was not clear to me that the TvZ matchup was excessively imbalanced during the times when those units were seemingly OP. It seems more likely that these units were only "overpowered" in the hands of a few players. As another example, many people thought Protoss was overpowered in early 2019 because of their representation in the later stages of IEM Katowice and Super Tournament and I was not above that either, for the record. However, Protoss went 108-97 in IEM Katowice, had no Korean representation in WESG, went 48-55 in 2019 GSL Season 1 and 20-15 in Super Tournament. The point is that it was not really even clear at the time that Protoss was imbalanced but because of community outrage, they were nerfed severely in PvZ. Looking back, the immortal all-in meta was very boring and I still would have liked to see it get nerfed but it seems clear to me that the race should never have been nerfed as a whole. Still, I wouldn't want to speculate that they wanted to prop up Serral and Reynor because they didn't seem to do that in 2018. I think they wanted to appease the community in the examples where Terran and Protoss got nerfed and it ended up making the affected races under-powered. Not very many people in the community complained about Zerg for a while this year and so Zerg kind of sneaked by with few nerfs and probably a couple buffs. It took a while for everyone to realize that Zerg is pretty imbalanced and is actually deserving of a nerf, unlike in the previous examples that I have mentioned. However, by the time this happened, it was already a bit too late to do a large balance patch. I suppose my takeaway is that the balance team should not be overly reliant on the input of the SC2 community. They should have been proactive enough to nerf Zerg before everyone realized what it had become and they should have resisted community opinion that erroneously thought a race was overpowered. But it is me easy for me to say because hindsight is 20/20.. | ||
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