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pawacoteng
4 Posts
But I think this year's blizzcon suffered most from comparison - now there is a body of games that makes it seem worse than how epic this tourney would have been just a couple years ago. Highlight of the year will definitely be Soo's championship - with a biitersweet cast from incontrol. How could blizzcon 2019 ever match up to that? | ||
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GrandSmurf
Netherlands462 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Congrats to the players but damn... | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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HsDLTitich
Italy830 Posts
On November 03 2019 07:46 kajtarp wrote: Im still upset to Reynor. Beating Serral to give us a shitty finals. Serral vs Dark could have been an awesome final. You should be upset at Serral for losing, then. btw let's not forget Reynor defeated Serral 3 times out of 5 in this year's WCS... | ||
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TheSneak
Australia118 Posts
BUT overall I have to say I was pleasantly surprised how quality this tourney and the games were, especially the Ro16, especially thanks to bo5 change. I think Classic's series with Rogue will go down as one of the games most memorable big matches. Classic's whole run is worth a watch except vs Dark. Reynor vs Serral was a roller coaster and a very worthy zvz (unlike the final). I think one reason the eventual winner is kind of not getting the attention of normal winners is in part because of serral being KO'd by tyhe runner up and robbing us of 'the final', and also because most of the games he was in were fairly one sided ugly games... vs Classic, vs Reynor and (especially) vs Maru. He knocked out some very popular non-zerg players in pretty dispiriting games. But overall I actually enjoyed the event, with mild rage-gasms mostly related to Classic who lost the tournament but won our hearts. Now thank fk this meta will hopefully be drawing to a close and a new era of expensive cooldown worms, super fast zealots, non-instantaneous zerg teleportation and super tanky IT's can begin! | ||
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parksonsc
175 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15926 Posts
On November 03 2019 19:50 parksonsc wrote: Inno said on his stream that gaming is no longer important to him like it was before, after his WESG win. Others Korean like Soo, Rogue also admit they got lazy and did not practice hard anymore (until important tournaments), and more often I see top Protoss in GSL got 10+ probes killed by a widowmine drop while nothing was happening anywhere else. I can't believe people still say that Koreans are not getting worse. people don't want to admit the truth and want to hype up foreigners finally getting to the level of koreans. | ||
Poopi
France12793 Posts
On November 03 2019 08:46 Xain0n wrote: If Reynor surpasses Serral, he becomes the best player in the world, foreigner or not. As far as I know, Neeb had no intention to live and play in Korea for years; this narrative of winning easy money in WCS...stealing them from Serral and Reynor? It worked out pretty well, I have to say xd It's one thing to recognize GSL as the home of the majority of the best Sc2 players, it's another to think Korea is the holy promised land. It has actually being shown that you can become the best even without residing in Korea; while having Serral and/or Reynor in GSL would be interesting, it js not(anymore) an essential requirement to be one of Sc2's greats. No? Reynor surpassed Serral at this BlizzCon but didn't become the best player in the world, that was Dark, winning the BlizzCon (after GSL S2 and GSL ST2). Well at least the best zerg in the world, we'll see if he stays on top on a more balanced patch but I believe he is more all rounded than Reynor | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 03 2019 17:27 Mun_Su wrote: INno is my fav' but i can't see how he looked stronger than Dark overall this year. That's definitely not what I meant. It should have been clear by reading the previous post, but I admit this sentence actually make it seem that I meant what you understood, my bad. I meant that there were periods in 2019 year when other players looked better than Dark, who actually convincingly seemed the best(Serral being supposedly better, but Dark actually looked better at BlizzCon) in October. Overall, Dark is the most consistent player(tied with Serral) and the most accomplished player in 2019, but it's not like he looked dominant this year. On November 03 2019 15:08 Ej_ wrote: It's nice that Xainon found a way to derail a thread about Dark's victory as well. Everything good on TeamSerral.net One may think that your capability of identifying causal links isn't the best, but I'm pretty sure you are doing intentionally to personally attack me every time. You don't like me? Be sure that I don't like you as well. The thread "derails" because every "non Serral player wins x" degenerates into "that player is much better than Serral, who basically sucks" or "that player is the best that we have ever seen on earth", which most of the times is a sound exaggeration. That's not TeamSerral.net more than it is KoreanElitist.net, the respect some people here pay to Serral is much inferior to those any progamer would deserve. [/QUOTE] No? Reynor surpassed Serral at this BlizzCon but didn't become the best player in the world, that was Dark, winning the BlizzCon (after GSL S2 and GSL ST2). Well at least the best zerg in the world, we'll see if he stays on top on a more balanced patch but I believe he is more all rounded than Reynor[/QUOTE] Defeating someone in one bo5 means surpassing them? That's new to me. Following this line of thought would lead to extremely funny situations in a game as volatile as Sc2 xd On November 03 2019 20:25 Charoisaur wrote: people don't want to admit the truth and want to hype up foreigners finally getting to the level of koreans. Either pick one: the koreans have become bad and everything happened after KeSpa's demise is diminished so that Maru's never enough incensed 4xCode S isn't as impressive as repeatedly say it were or korean scene at its top, in its best player, is as competitive as ever and it has lost depth, which means top foreigners are more legit than you would like to admit. Again, you encourage others to ignore my posts then make very controversial ones yourself... [/QUOTE] A win against Showtime, Has, Special? You can hardly call that an achievement. At this point Serral has only done what Neeb has achieved before - surprise everyone. He has lost all tournaments where there are no restrictions. He's only won tournaments where half of it are circuit players. Reynor has already tried Code S and got destroyed. Serral, full of excuses. To be the best, you have to compete where the best players are found, no matter how you sugar-coat it. Sure I'll give you that. WCS > winning 3 GSL Code S IN A ROW. Dream on![/QUOTE] Serral suprised everyone and then he kept winning titles the way any top player is expected to: losing some tournament, winning some other. It's not like there is no competition, if you are the best you don't win every tournament everytime, that's not how Sc2 works. Reynor advanced to the ro16 over classic and got narrowly eliminated by the eventual winner, Maru. You call that being destroyed? To be the best, you have to be able to consistently beat the best ones when you get to face them. Hah sure, it has to be that all of the Sc2 progamers were wrong when they called Serral the best and that the notoriously pro foreigner TL.net site committed a huge error when giving Serral player of the year 2018. | ||
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parksonsc
175 Posts
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On November 03 2019 21:50 parksonsc wrote: It's hilarious that none of the "expert EU Zergs" is doing any "Blizzcon analysis stream" like they were all doing after GSL vs TW. I guess becoz Serral didnt win it, or maybe they have no clue why do Dark's style work. Lambo did an analysis stream yesterday, if I do recall correctly. | ||
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Bombit
Belarus20 Posts
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Stormhoof
Serbia182 Posts
Also @topic : maybe couple of bo5's isn't making Reynor better then Serral but kid is close! I would like to see raise of Special, HeroMarine and at least 1 more protoss player. Can't stand all thiose zvzvzvz's at every WCS Finals. Congratz to Dark even I don't like him. I cheered for EU duo, Reynor in particular and still think if he has beaten Serral he could beat Dark too. Maybe tired or Dark didn't show off his zvz up to finals. Hope next year we will have more equal number of KR vs Circuit and races in ro8. | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On November 03 2019 17:27 Mun_Su wrote: INno is my fav' but i can't see how he looked stronger than Dark overall this year. He won a series against serral, so he's the goat of 2019. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On November 03 2019 15:08 Ej_ wrote: It's nice that Xainon found a way to derail a thread about Dark's victory as well. Everything good on TeamSerral.net Lol underrated comment | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 03 2019 23:30 DBooN wrote: He won a series against serral, so he's the goat of 2019. You might have cared to read my answer before coming out with this low quality bait. | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On November 03 2019 23:59 Xain0n wrote: You might have cared to read my answer before coming out with this low quality bait. Why would anyone care to read your posts? | ||
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alpenrahm
Germany628 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On November 04 2019 00:20 alpenrahm wrote: in the raynor serral series during the muta ling bane vs roach hydra lurker wars why did neither of the players ever transition into BL ? it just seemed quite counterintuitive to me that they would always opt to go for Ultra ling bane which was clearly inferior in straightup fights to lurker comps. I mean in that last game Serral went up to 7! Bases and had them saturated for a while how is that not enough time to make a worthwhile transition? Brood lords aren't immune to abduct like the ultralisks are. | ||
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