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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
November 15 2019 19:04 GMT
#181
Lowko joins as a caster as well!

Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 15 2019 23:34 GMT
#182
Does luolis join as a caster?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1200 Posts
November 15 2019 23:40 GMT
#183
On November 16 2019 03:15 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2019 06:41 Z3nith wrote:
On November 15 2019 06:06 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:49 Seeker wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:36 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:25 Seeker wrote:
On November 15 2019 04:28 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 04:24 Seeker wrote:
Did Dark decline his invite?

Indeed he did, didn't feel like going to Germany I think. I think NarutO said he was worried about language issues at well. Probably just wants a well deserved break.

Language issues...? What about all the other Koreans going then?

Gotta ask Dark that question :D

Also, did Rogue decline his invite too?

Yes, I just asked, Rogue was invited but declined.


Out of curiosity who was invited but declined?

Don't have a full list and don't want to bother Naruto with a full list either, but the big NA players declined as well for example. Maru too.


You never bother, I just don't always see every post.

Neeb, Special, Scarlett, Rogue, sOs, Maru, Classic, Dark, Stephano

Neeb > wants to relax / avoid travel end of year
Classic > military (asked for summer, same reason winter so I didnt ask)
Special > schedule conflict
Rogue > doesnt want to travel
Dark > language barrier
Maru > doesnt want to travel
sOs > doesnt want to travel
Scarlett > doesnt want to attend
Stephano > university class he got , cant be skipped
Namshar > private reason cannot attend (cancelled)

probably forgot someone but thats it so far.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8217 Posts
November 16 2019 00:34 GMT
#184
On November 16 2019 08:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Does luolis join as a caster?


$10000 question
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 16 2019 02:35 GMT
#185
On November 16 2019 08:40 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2019 03:15 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 06:41 Z3nith wrote:
On November 15 2019 06:06 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:49 Seeker wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:36 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:25 Seeker wrote:
On November 15 2019 04:28 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 04:24 Seeker wrote:
Did Dark decline his invite?

Indeed he did, didn't feel like going to Germany I think. I think NarutO said he was worried about language issues at well. Probably just wants a well deserved break.

Language issues...? What about all the other Koreans going then?

Gotta ask Dark that question :D

Also, did Rogue decline his invite too?

Yes, I just asked, Rogue was invited but declined.


Out of curiosity who was invited but declined?

Don't have a full list and don't want to bother Naruto with a full list either, but the big NA players declined as well for example. Maru too.


You never bother, I just don't always see every post.

Neeb, Special, Scarlett, Rogue, sOs, Maru, Classic, Dark, Stephano

Neeb > wants to relax / avoid travel end of year
Classic > military (asked for summer, same reason winter so I didnt ask)
Special > schedule conflict
Rogue > doesnt want to travel
Dark > language barrier
Maru > doesnt want to travel
sOs > doesnt want to travel
Scarlett > doesnt want to attend
Stephano > university class he got , cant be skipped
Namshar > private reason cannot attend (cancelled)

probably forgot someone but thats it so far.


Hmm, I guess Neeb will go to France to play Nation Wars' offline finals if team USA qualifies today; he could have arranged something; Special, on the other hand, is super unlucky with HSC.
Dark's language barrier problem seems weird when there are more than ten korean players while Maru just doesn't like to travel, it can't be helped.
Maybe if the idea of HSC being played in the USA turned out successful we would have eventually seen them play in the tournament...

Thus said, I obviously don't want to complain, the roster is very nice and I appreciate the effort as usual; I just would have loved to see those players at HSC once.

On a side note, I am curious about Dear and Ragnarok. They went to ASUS Rog earlier this year so I guess they wouldn't have problems to travel, and I don't recall them ever being at HSC.
DinosaurJones
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1000 Posts
November 16 2019 04:27 GMT
#186
I love HSC, but it's going to be different without Geoff
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27041 Posts
November 16 2019 13:20 GMT
#187
On November 16 2019 09:34 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2019 08:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Does luolis join as a caster?


$10000 question

I’d be more hyped to see Luolis join as a player tbh, although I realise it would be unfair on the rest of the field.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27041 Posts
November 16 2019 13:27 GMT
#188
On November 16 2019 11:35 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2019 08:40 TaKeTV wrote:
On November 16 2019 03:15 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 06:41 Z3nith wrote:
On November 15 2019 06:06 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:49 Seeker wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:36 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:25 Seeker wrote:
On November 15 2019 04:28 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 04:24 Seeker wrote:
Did Dark decline his invite?

Indeed he did, didn't feel like going to Germany I think. I think NarutO said he was worried about language issues at well. Probably just wants a well deserved break.

Language issues...? What about all the other Koreans going then?

Gotta ask Dark that question :D

Also, did Rogue decline his invite too?

Yes, I just asked, Rogue was invited but declined.


Out of curiosity who was invited but declined?

Don't have a full list and don't want to bother Naruto with a full list either, but the big NA players declined as well for example. Maru too.


You never bother, I just don't always see every post.

Neeb, Special, Scarlett, Rogue, sOs, Maru, Classic, Dark, Stephano

Neeb > wants to relax / avoid travel end of year
Classic > military (asked for summer, same reason winter so I didnt ask)
Special > schedule conflict
Rogue > doesnt want to travel
Dark > language barrier
Maru > doesnt want to travel
sOs > doesnt want to travel
Scarlett > doesnt want to attend
Stephano > university class he got , cant be skipped
Namshar > private reason cannot attend (cancelled)

probably forgot someone but thats it so far.


Hmm, I guess Neeb will go to France to play Nation Wars' offline finals if team USA qualifies today; he could have arranged something; Special, on the other hand, is super unlucky with HSC.
Dark's language barrier problem seems weird when there are more than ten korean players while Maru just doesn't like to travel, it can't be helped.
Maybe if the idea of HSC being played in the USA turned out successful we would have eventually seen them play in the tournament...

Thus said, I obviously don't want to complain, the roster is very nice and I appreciate the effort as usual; I just would have loved to see those players at HSC once.

On a side note, I am curious about Dear and Ragnarok. They went to ASUS Rog earlier this year so I guess they wouldn't have problems to travel, and I don't recall them ever being at HSC.

I imagine language barrier issues are way more pronounced at HSC than at a regular stock tournament.

Basically why so many love the tournament is the house party with a StarCraft tournament attached vibe they have going, but I imagine for Koreans it might be unappealing because they can’t really partake in that aspect so much.

Perhaps that’s a factor for some. For Dark especially he’s had a gruelling year and ascended to the top of the mountain so maybe he wants a break too to enjoy his Blizzcon cash.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1954 Posts
November 16 2019 13:47 GMT
#189
A part of me would like Grubby to come back as a caster. He was one of the best, full of knowledge, especially about protoss, and a likeable guy who would never step on his co-commentator's toes.

It has been a long time since I saw him in the SC2 scene, too bad he jumped on the Heroes train, but maybe he will be back if WC3 reforged gets some decent tournaments.
Buff the siegetank
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-16 13:53:11
November 16 2019 13:51 GMT
#190
Koreans also have a day of flight to go there and if they miss the top 5 it's quite an expensive trip to take, so I can get why some koreans wouldn't be to interested to go.
~2000$ and at least 2 whole day to go to a party is something to think about.

On top of not beeing to comfortable in an european party


Still it's gonna be amazing
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-16 14:07:47
November 16 2019 14:04 GMT
#191
On November 16 2019 22:27 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2019 11:35 Xain0n wrote:
On November 16 2019 08:40 TaKeTV wrote:
On November 16 2019 03:15 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 06:41 Z3nith wrote:
On November 15 2019 06:06 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:49 Seeker wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:36 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:25 Seeker wrote:
On November 15 2019 04:28 Musicus wrote:
[quote]
Indeed he did, didn't feel like going to Germany I think. I think NarutO said he was worried about language issues at well. Probably just wants a well deserved break.

Language issues...? What about all the other Koreans going then?

Gotta ask Dark that question :D

Also, did Rogue decline his invite too?

Yes, I just asked, Rogue was invited but declined.


Out of curiosity who was invited but declined?

Don't have a full list and don't want to bother Naruto with a full list either, but the big NA players declined as well for example. Maru too.


You never bother, I just don't always see every post.

Neeb, Special, Scarlett, Rogue, sOs, Maru, Classic, Dark, Stephano

Neeb > wants to relax / avoid travel end of year
Classic > military (asked for summer, same reason winter so I didnt ask)
Special > schedule conflict
Rogue > doesnt want to travel
Dark > language barrier
Maru > doesnt want to travel
sOs > doesnt want to travel
Scarlett > doesnt want to attend
Stephano > university class he got , cant be skipped
Namshar > private reason cannot attend (cancelled)

probably forgot someone but thats it so far.


Hmm, I guess Neeb will go to France to play Nation Wars' offline finals if team USA qualifies today; he could have arranged something; Special, on the other hand, is super unlucky with HSC.
Dark's language barrier problem seems weird when there are more than ten korean players while Maru just doesn't like to travel, it can't be helped.
Maybe if the idea of HSC being played in the USA turned out successful we would have eventually seen them play in the tournament...

Thus said, I obviously don't want to complain, the roster is very nice and I appreciate the effort as usual; I just would have loved to see those players at HSC once.

On a side note, I am curious about Dear and Ragnarok. They went to ASUS Rog earlier this year so I guess they wouldn't have problems to travel, and I don't recall them ever being at HSC.

I imagine language barrier issues are way more pronounced at HSC than at a regular stock tournament.

Basically why so many love the tournament is the house party with a StarCraft tournament attached vibe they have going, but I imagine for Koreans it might be unappealing because they can’t really partake in that aspect so much.

Perhaps that’s a factor for some. For Dark especially he’s had a gruelling year and ascended to the top of the mountain so maybe he wants a break too to enjoy his Blizzcon cash.

yet many top Koreans always attend, and some even bothered to learn to speak English during their career. Some wont, but that s okay, for me it's completely fine to have half a Korean roaster and a full EU roster, compared to having full EU+ full NA
On November 16 2019 22:51 Nakajin wrote:
Koreans also have a day of flight to go there and if they miss the top 5 it's quite an expensive trip to take, so I can get why some koreans wouldn't be to interested to go.
~2000$ and at least 2 whole day to go to a party is something to think about.

On top of not beeing to comfortable in an european party


Still it's gonna be amazing


From a business/ cost-benefit analysis point of view it might not make monetary sense to attend for anyone aside from the top5. Yet if you treat it as a semi-casual trip to Europe, with the possibility to promote ur personal brand and earn some money on the side, than it's a no-brainer.
Plus I imagine you could ask your sponsors and whatnot for contributions for the costs involved.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
November 16 2019 17:41 GMT
#192
Man I wish I weren’t a poor college student in the US. I want to go so bad


I’ll have a ton of fun watching though! The player list, the caster list, the overall hype. Amazing. Huge thanks to Take in advance for all the enjoyment I’m going to get out of watching HSCXX
TaKeSeN
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany196 Posts
November 16 2019 18:55 GMT
#193
Just that you know, no korean comes on own cost and we take care of almost every korean
We have 1 Winner but really 2 Losers ;)
kubaPS
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany162 Posts
November 16 2019 19:52 GMT
#194
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1200 Posts
November 16 2019 20:12 GMT
#195
On November 16 2019 22:51 Nakajin wrote:
Koreans also have a day of flight to go there and if they miss the top 5 it's quite an expensive trip to take, so I can get why some koreans wouldn't be to interested to go.
~2000$ and at least 2 whole day to go to a party is something to think about.

On top of not beeing to comfortable in an european party


Still it's gonna be amazing


We brought nearly all Koreans. All hotels are covered for every player as well. Usually its an argument but for this HSC it isn't. But obviously free time can be worth more than money too
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
November 17 2019 00:26 GMT
#196
On November 17 2019 05:12 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2019 22:51 Nakajin wrote:
Koreans also have a day of flight to go there and if they miss the top 5 it's quite an expensive trip to take, so I can get why some koreans wouldn't be to interested to go.
~2000$ and at least 2 whole day to go to a party is something to think about.

On top of not beeing to comfortable in an european party


Still it's gonna be amazing


We brought nearly all Koreans. All hotels are covered for every player as well. Usually its an argument but for this HSC it isn't. But obviously free time can be worth more than money too


Thanks for pulling out all the stops to make this HSC the sickest one yet, aside from the loss of incontrol.
TL+ Member
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
November 17 2019 01:14 GMT
#197
one question I gotta ask...

Will the nips be iced when Rotti goes topless??
DarkGamer
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany330 Posts
November 17 2019 08:51 GMT
#198
Great event, great line-up of players and casters. Im really looking forward this hsc! I got one question out of interest: did u invite fantasy and he declined?
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 17 2019 12:01 GMT
#199
On November 17 2019 17:51 DarkGamer wrote:
Great event, great line-up of players and casters. Im really looking forward this hsc! I got one question out of interest: did u invite fantasy and he declined?

I m not sure, but I belive I ve read it somewhere in this thread, that he wasn t invited. The reasoning behind that was, that not necessarily the best player possible were invited, but also players with a lot of history witch HSC, like TLO or Teaja
MaxPax
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 17 2019 12:17 GMT
#200
Even while Alligulac isnt that strong when comparing EU and KR Players and it can t handle a Bo2, it is still quite interesting what is predicted by them:
Group A:
                    1        2        3        4        5        6        7        8    
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Solar 50.37% 24.78% 13.92% 6.70% 2.77% 1.17% 0.27% 0.03%
Cure 22.94% 29.40% 22.69% 14.54% 6.34% 2.72% 1.07% 0.30%
Trap 15.80% 22.90% 25.30% 19.30% 9.67% 4.28% 1.93% 0.82%
Elazer 7.98% 14.01% 19.13% 20.14% 16.85% 12.03% 6.17% 3.68%
TIME 2.07% 5.19% 9.45% 18.52% 23.42% 18.96% 14.19% 8.21%
TaeJa 0.43% 1.13% 3.56% 7.84% 14.75% 22.87% 25.83% 23.59%
souL 0.27% 1.53% 3.57% 7.97% 15.46% 22.03% 26.53% 22.64%
TLO 0.13% 1.07% 2.39% 5.00% 10.73% 15.94% 24.02% 40.72%

Group B:
                        1        2        3        4        5        6        7        8    
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Serral 66.87% 22.01% 7.02% 2.81% 0.81% 0.33% 0.10% 0.03%
TY 23.11% 39.42% 18.87% 10.81% 4.46% 2.23% 0.80% 0.30%
ShoWTimE 3.91% 14.56% 22.62% 19.43% 15.66% 11.83% 8.12% 3.87%
uThermal 3.40% 10.43% 20.38% 21.26% 17.49% 13.40% 8.43% 5.20%
MarineLorD 1.20% 4.12% 10.71% 14.26% 18.03% 20.49% 17.31% 13.88%
PtitDrogo 1.18% 5.83% 11.57% 16.06% 18.62% 17.77% 15.47% 13.50%
Bly 0.27% 2.27% 5.27% 9.28% 14.25% 17.63% 23.57% 27.46%
Kelazhur 0.07% 1.36% 3.56% 6.08% 10.67% 16.32% 26.20% 35.75%

Group C:
                        1        2        3        4        5        6        7        8    
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Reynor 49.64% 24.94% 11.96% 7.07% 3.52% 1.81% 0.89% 0.17%
INnoVation 21.14% 23.14% 17.90% 14.56% 10.52% 6.90% 4.00% 1.83%
PartinG 10.88% 17.02% 18.10% 17.06% 15.09% 10.85% 6.87% 4.13%
HeRoMaRinE 9.41% 14.96% 17.36% 15.63% 15.93% 11.85% 9.47% 5.38%
MaNa 4.11% 7.83% 12.11% 15.32% 16.49% 16.51% 15.01% 12.63%
Harstem 2.72% 6.99% 11.41% 13.82% 15.19% 16.72% 17.67% 15.47%
Denver 1.53% 3.62% 7.76% 9.83% 13.30% 19.13% 22.14% 22.69%
SortOf 0.57% 1.50% 3.40% 6.70% 9.96% 16.23% 23.95% 37.69%

Group D:
                        1        2        3        4        5        6        7        8    
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stats 31.27% 22.85% 18.23% 11.87% 8.29% 4.05% 2.59% 0.87%
soO 27.67% 22.48% 18.31% 12.98% 9.57% 5.65% 2.30% 1.03%
Clem 18.70% 19.84% 19.31% 16.17% 11.51% 8.44% 4.37% 1.67%
Zest 14.40% 17.15% 16.71% 17.91% 13.81% 10.32% 6.98% 2.72%
Lambo 4.07% 8.26% 12.97% 15.96% 18.17% 18.96% 12.57% 9.05%
Bunny 2.70% 6.53% 8.53% 13.30% 19.14% 20.06% 17.61% 12.14%
Hellraiser 1.00% 2.00% 4.20% 7.39% 11.52% 18.39% 27.16% 28.35%
Zanster 0.20% 0.89% 1.74% 4.42% 7.99% 14.15% 26.43% 44.18%
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