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Jurassic1
3 Posts
I played WOL when it came out and 2 base muta until Diamond in 2010. I got back last year after I randomly found out about Serral beating Koreans. I did mutas again and only got to Plat3...then found Vibe''s Bronze to GM guide and made it to Plat1. Hitting a wall right now with A move but learned about Macro. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
choose a simple, conservative playstyle that doesn't involve too much heavy micro and culminates in a timing attack, perfect a build for each matchup. you'll get far | ||
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Jurassic1
3 Posts
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On April 04 2019 04:39 Jurassic1 wrote: I am 34 and recently found joy in this game again. Do you think I am too old to make GM? I played WOL when it came out and 2 base muta until Diamond in 2010. I got back last year after I randomly found out about Serral beating Koreans. I did mutas again and only got to Plat3...then found Vibe''s Bronze to GM guide and made it to Plat1. Hitting a wall right now with A move but learned about Macro. It's never too late man. It's all a matter of dedication. If GM is really important to you, then practice a little every day, set smaller goals and work to achieve them, study, and you can make it there or really damn close I'm sure. The bigger question, is getting GM really important? ? ? I wanted to achieve an MMR that had me getting matched with at least some pro players... Eventually I realized there were other things in life I valued much more  And I became ok with hitting masters 1v1, and now only diamond 2v2 Edit: Now I want GM in guitar. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
All you need to do is to play, not to win, but to learn. Thus you can be consistent and achieve your goal. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Around a year back there was a thread where 2 "older" guys with full time jobs who almost never played SC2 started a race to get GM in a year with some prize for the winner, they both burn out after a few months far from getting to GM. I would say trying to get into master is a more achievable goal and if you arrive there and want to continue there's nothing that stop you, but overall just take it slow and have fun. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19226 Posts
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StabiloBoss20
313 Posts
eventhough there might be a decline in reactiontime, doesnt mean you cannot compete on a high level. imo prioritising is what a great player separates form the good one. only few players over 35 in GM/M1? maybe... but i guess this has more to do with how much time you can spent on practicing. | ||
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WeakOwl
25 Posts
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Warcloud
United States97 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On April 04 2019 04:39 Jurassic1 wrote: been nearly black out drunk, or so high on acid im not sure im a person, and I can still casually, without watching or knowing any sc2 meta at all, make it to diamond. It is not a hard game. Your age is not a limiting factor---except obviously you cant dedicate your life to the game and go pro. If you are half way intelligent, and have the physical coordination to dress yourself without splitting your head open, you can make diamond too.I am 34 and recently found joy in this game again. Do you think I am too old to make GM? I played WOL when it came out and 2 base muta until Diamond in 2010. I got back last year after I randomly found out about Serral beating Koreans. I did mutas again and only got to Plat3...then found Vibe''s Bronze to GM guide and made it to Plat1. Hitting a wall right now with A move but learned about Macro. | ||
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
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Jan1997
Norway671 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany6872 Posts
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On April 04 2019 05:27 outscar wrote: NaDa, the legend made it to ASL not long ago, he is 34 like you. Why wouldn't you? And I will say qualifying ASL is like 15x harder than hitting GM. All you need to do is to play, not to win, but to learn. Thus you can be consistent and achieve your goal. Such a good point, playing to learn! Great post. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On April 05 2019 00:57 ShambhalaWar wrote: Such a good point, playing to learn! Great post. PS. If money isn't a big deal, hire a coach. In music, having a teacher is infinitely valuable. Mechanics are something you can learn online from forums and guides, but learning the way a better player sees the game is something you can only learn from that player. Which is actually really valuable. I thinks that's why day9's old shows were so valuable, I learned so much about how to think about the game... I was sooo bad when I started, no natural talent what so ever. Edit: Sorry double post I just woke up. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24984 Posts
If you can type fast and navigate your desktop accurately, you can play Starcraft well, that's all you're essentially doing, the rest is knowledge and making good reads based off that knowledge. Generalising a bit here, it's not always going to be the case but I would wager that older people are a bit more sanguine mentally and less prone to raging hard and tilting if they're laddering. At least I've found that to be the case for me anyway. I treat ladder at least initially as me just playing vs bots and with the sole goal of improving or executing a certain strat or style, at least until I get into some kind of shape after a hiatus and then maybe winning games starts to become a goal again. I was a pretty decent guitar player, have just come back to it recently after a borderline 3 year hiatus for various reasons. I'm not quite what I was, but 99% of that muscle memory baseline is still there, to a surprising degree actually. I'm 29 myself, I think it'd be verydifficult now to get as good as I was if I had never played, I just don't have the time to put in the hours I did as a teenager and a younger man to grind the mechanics out. I'm filling in the theory gaps I had way more effectively though, not having all that free time means I've structured practice a lot better, so that side has actually improved with the time constraints forcing me to be more efficient in my practice. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24984 Posts
On April 05 2019 01:02 ShambhalaWar wrote: PS. If money isn't a big deal, hire a coach. In music, having a teacher is infinitely valuable. Mechanics are something you can learn online from forums and guides, but learning the way a better player sees the game is something you can only learn from that player. Which is actually really valuable. I thinks that's why day9's old shows were so valuable, I learned so much about how to think about the game... I was sooo bad when I started, no natural talent what so ever. Edit: Sorry double post I just woke up. Yeah, 100%. For me at least the internet is a double-edged sword, it has all the information you could need, but that's a lot of information and I don't necessarily know what is good or not, sifting through it takes time and I find it a bit overwhelming. For guitar especially, which I play, it's full of 'hacks' to improve etc when you go looking online, which usually suck because they're teaching you to skirt around having to learn theory properly, and for me theory isn't difficult to learn if you learn it all because it's all interlinked and the picture becomes clearer the more you know, so avoiding doing so is counter-productive in the long run Hiring a coach/teacher is invaluable because you can cut through that really quickly. You also get feedback which is super useful to have, a tutorial can't talk back to you. You might have one small, weird question that you can't find an answer for online, but is cleared up in about a minute of talking to someone who is an expert in the area. Anyway best of luck OP, do let us know how your quest is going! | ||
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BlackLilium
Poland426 Posts
I am about your age. I managed to reach diamond 7 years ago, and I am able to reach diamond now (thus - no progress!). I have been playing - albeit with some pauses - all this time. Often I hit a point in game where I feel that I know what I want to do, but my fingers are not fast enough. Like - there is an intense micro fight, and I think "I should now look at my base and warp in some units. But then this battle is lost". Early game PvP with adepts is where I melt consistently for example. Probably I could train my fingers hard, but I feel I am at my limit assuming just casual play. | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On April 05 2019 03:57 hiroshOne wrote: I'm 39 this year, and I'm playing. The only issue is lack of time (wife and 2 kids) that's why I warmed my stay in diamond :-) But I have no ambition to be pro. Just playing for fun. You just need to convince your kids they should be pro players, then you can be the coach | ||
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Poopi
France12780 Posts
On April 04 2019 04:39 Jurassic1 wrote: I am 34 and recently found joy in this game again. Do you think I am too old to make GM? I played WOL when it came out and 2 base muta until Diamond in 2010. I got back last year after I randomly found out about Serral beating Koreans. I did mutas again and only got to Plat3...then found Vibe''s Bronze to GM guide and made it to Plat1. Hitting a wall right now with A move but learned about Macro. You are not too old but is the journey worth it at that age? I don’t know, you probably won’t find that much joy playing if your sole goal is to become GM, mostly frustration. I’d recommend playing as much as you enjoy it, while keeping this GM goal in mind, and not care that much if you become too frustrated. | ||
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BadHabits
Canada45 Posts
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AaBbCc
New Zealand110 Posts
The main problem is at 34 (my age too) is life does become a real hurdle to any sincere dedication to a video game, as any thing other than a casual pass time. The other issue that I see, is that SC2 is probably more fun (for older, less serious, non-pros) at moderately lower levels i.e. high diamond-low masters because the higher you go, the more knife-edged everything starts to become and if you're like me, this kind of stuff is frustrating. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On April 04 2019 05:46 BisuDagger wrote: If you aren't a pro, I think StarCraft gets easier as you get older. Turning 30 this year, and I really only started playing with some regularity 1-2 years ago (after playing a lot from WOL - HOTS). I was never any good--only made it to Diamond (but I was diamond when there was no masters!), but I think it has gotten a little easier as I've gotten older. I'm a little looser and enjoy the game more. My APM is even better than it used to be, but I don't expect this to last forever. SC2 remains my favorite lunch-break pastime | ||
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Hadronsbecrazy
United Kingdom551 Posts
GM not so sure, prove us wrong buddy  | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
but it has to be important to you or you won't make it. Take small steps, analyze replays, watch as much pro starcraft as possible, and not just watch it, analyze it while doing so. Also do it on the NA server, it's way easier. i would say a 5200-5300 on EU easily makes GM on NA nowadays. | ||
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
Anyone who's willing to practice deliberately can reach M, though. The skill gap between M3 and GM is huge, though. Also don't forget: Everyone else got better over the years, too. | ||
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truescorpio14
2 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
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skdsk
138 Posts
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PuRpOs3
United States45 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
That said, Platinum and Diamond are very fun leagues to be in. They are not as hard to attain andmore play styles are viable, but people still mostly play builds you would recognize for the first 5 minutes of a professional game. Bronze and Silver league you’re unlikely to see recognizable standard builds, things go off the rails after 2 minutes. | ||
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lestye
United States4155 Posts
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allmotor1
152 Posts
was masters multiple times but now im stuck at diamond 1. I work a lot etc so I can't put my best effort but I do feel people have gotten better and at times when I'm tired from work I do feel slower | ||
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
I am pretty sure someone putting as much time in as a younger player can attain any level. I suspect top 100/being a pro in Korea is near impossible even if the age limitation factor is probably extremly small, that top 100 is putting as much time as humanly possible so even a very small edge make all the difference. Also, I suspect probably there is a biological limitation that is less correlated to age that we think. Some humans simply have a better brain for those tasks and can achieve higher proficiency. Thing is : it's so much harder to justify putting 10 hours a day and seeing the years pass by when you are 35 than when you are 19. I guess there needs to be more study on the subject? | ||
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LOcDowN
United States1015 Posts
I'm also 34 yo and is Master. Full-time job. To answer your original question, I do think it's highly possible to reach GM at our age or even older. The key is to continuously learn the game correctly and improve. You probably cannot reach GM without a solid foundation of knowledge and have no guidance. The fastest way is most likely with a coach as it is hard to learn it on your own after you get home from work. | ||
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derpistole
Germany33 Posts
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Togekiss
Canada154 Posts
So again, age is basically irrelevant. I know I would likely make Masters pretty easily if I could even just put in 2-3 hours/day, like 5 days a week, but unfortunately that isn't even possible for me with the time constraints I have working full-time and raising a young family. Best of luck, and remember, just enjoy the game, and make realistic goals. Going up a Tier within your league is more the kind of realistic goal you should be setting, because putting the bar so high will only result in frustration. I know I will never be top Masters calibre because I can't put enough time and effort aside for SC2, so I enjoy playing at a Diamond lv when I do get the chance... Hope this helps. | ||
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Xamo
Spain877 Posts
I hope you enjoy your ladder time, even if you cannot promote. | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1415 Posts
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1068 Posts
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alpenrahm
Germany628 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
On April 07 2019 08:47 jinjin5000 wrote: artosis is almost 40 Artosis just turned 36 yesterday. Last week he was officially 35. That's not "nearly 40", mate. | ||
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PuRpOs3
United States45 Posts
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PuRpOs3
United States45 Posts
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Tayar
United States1439 Posts
On April 08 2019 01:42 figq wrote: Artosis just turned 36 yesterday. Last week he was officially 35. That's not "nearly 40", mate. spoken like someone who is nearly 40 | ||
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Admirable_Classroom2
1 Post
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24984 Posts
On July 20 2020 12:13 Admirable_Classroom2 wrote: I’m 40 and made masters in 1 month. I’ve never played SC2 previously A 40 year old who’d never played SC2 making Masters in a month? Come on gotta expand a bit there, much RTS experience? If you did manage this feat I’m sure a lot of people would want to hear about your ways | ||
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