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On March 15 2019 11:12 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 08:32 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2019 08:08 frazzle wrote:
I feel like this obsession with Maru v Serral is getting nowhere, which is part of the fun I suppose.
If you are a Serral fanboy you have to admit that 4 GSLs in a row is amazing. Imagine getting through IEM Katowice 4 times in a row to win it, but with your opponents having a week or two to prepare for you. On the other hand, After WESG last year, Serral did win everything except Nation Wars and Maru had chances to face him but crumbled early. Serral's ZvT against Koreans is suspect a bit yes, but Innovation was on point in HSC and beat Rogue in Blizzcon. Serral didn't totally get a pass like Neeb did winning Kespa Cup.
It seems to me that Serral vs Maru comparisons feel like the old NCAA College football issues when you had unbeaten teams that were juggernauts but played weak schedules vs SEC teams who have a few losses and they never meet in the bowl games. Who was better? You never get to decide for sure. I don't think we are going anywhere, in fact. Also, I don't think anyone said Maru's year wasn't amazing but he "only" won 3 consecutive Code S. Great point. Honestly I feel like the "best player in the world" debate shouldn't even be happening right now. If Maru won Blizzcon, or advanced significantly further than Serral, then yes he would be the indisputable "best player in the world". However now I think there are two branches...Serral is the "best short term tournament player in the world" while Maru is the "best preparation tournament player in the world" and they both can be safely classified as "the two best players in the world." Also, the people crying the loudest about Terran being underpowered are also the ones championing Maru as the best player in the world...cognitive dissonance.
Is it though? It seems logical to me..that if they think hes playing from a disadvantage it strengthens his claim? Care to elaborate? I'm anxious to learn what you think cognitive dissonance is.
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On March 15 2019 11:36 DomeGetta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 11:12 mierin wrote:On March 15 2019 08:32 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2019 08:08 frazzle wrote:
I feel like this obsession with Maru v Serral is getting nowhere, which is part of the fun I suppose.
If you are a Serral fanboy you have to admit that 4 GSLs in a row is amazing. Imagine getting through IEM Katowice 4 times in a row to win it, but with your opponents having a week or two to prepare for you. On the other hand, After WESG last year, Serral did win everything except Nation Wars and Maru had chances to face him but crumbled early. Serral's ZvT against Koreans is suspect a bit yes, but Innovation was on point in HSC and beat Rogue in Blizzcon. Serral didn't totally get a pass like Neeb did winning Kespa Cup.
It seems to me that Serral vs Maru comparisons feel like the old NCAA College football issues when you had unbeaten teams that were juggernauts but played weak schedules vs SEC teams who have a few losses and they never meet in the bowl games. Who was better? You never get to decide for sure. I don't think we are going anywhere, in fact. Also, I don't think anyone said Maru's year wasn't amazing but he "only" won 3 consecutive Code S. Great point. Honestly I feel like the "best player in the world" debate shouldn't even be happening right now. If Maru won Blizzcon, or advanced significantly further than Serral, then yes he would be the indisputable "best player in the world". However now I think there are two branches...Serral is the "best short term tournament player in the world" while Maru is the "best preparation tournament player in the world" and they both can be safely classified as "the two best players in the world." Also, the people crying the loudest about Terran being underpowered are also the ones championing Maru as the best player in the world...cognitive dissonance. Is it though? It seems logical to me..that if they think hes playing from a disadvantage it strengthens his claim? Care to elaborate? I'm anxious to learn what you think cognitive dissonance is.
Yes. In Brood War, Terran was so overpowered that the ASL had to engineer maps so that someone other than Flash could win. I don't think we're in that stage here in SC2.
EDIT: What does "is it though" even mean? It makes no sense reading over my initial post.
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On March 15 2019 11:41 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 11:36 DomeGetta wrote:On March 15 2019 11:12 mierin wrote:On March 15 2019 08:32 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2019 08:08 frazzle wrote:
I feel like this obsession with Maru v Serral is getting nowhere, which is part of the fun I suppose.
If you are a Serral fanboy you have to admit that 4 GSLs in a row is amazing. Imagine getting through IEM Katowice 4 times in a row to win it, but with your opponents having a week or two to prepare for you. On the other hand, After WESG last year, Serral did win everything except Nation Wars and Maru had chances to face him but crumbled early. Serral's ZvT against Koreans is suspect a bit yes, but Innovation was on point in HSC and beat Rogue in Blizzcon. Serral didn't totally get a pass like Neeb did winning Kespa Cup.
It seems to me that Serral vs Maru comparisons feel like the old NCAA College football issues when you had unbeaten teams that were juggernauts but played weak schedules vs SEC teams who have a few losses and they never meet in the bowl games. Who was better? You never get to decide for sure. I don't think we are going anywhere, in fact. Also, I don't think anyone said Maru's year wasn't amazing but he "only" won 3 consecutive Code S. Great point. Honestly I feel like the "best player in the world" debate shouldn't even be happening right now. If Maru won Blizzcon, or advanced significantly further than Serral, then yes he would be the indisputable "best player in the world". However now I think there are two branches...Serral is the "best short term tournament player in the world" while Maru is the "best preparation tournament player in the world" and they both can be safely classified as "the two best players in the world." Also, the people crying the loudest about Terran being underpowered are also the ones championing Maru as the best player in the world...cognitive dissonance. Is it though? It seems logical to me..that if they think hes playing from a disadvantage it strengthens his claim? Care to elaborate? I'm anxious to learn what you think cognitive dissonance is. Yes. In Brood War, Terran was so overpowered that the ASL had to engineer maps so that someone other than Flash could win. I don't think we're in that stage here in SC2.
But there too, the question is: Is Terran OP, or is Flash OP?
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On March 15 2019 11:48 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 11:41 mierin wrote:On March 15 2019 11:36 DomeGetta wrote:On March 15 2019 11:12 mierin wrote:On March 15 2019 08:32 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2019 08:08 frazzle wrote:
I feel like this obsession with Maru v Serral is getting nowhere, which is part of the fun I suppose.
If you are a Serral fanboy you have to admit that 4 GSLs in a row is amazing. Imagine getting through IEM Katowice 4 times in a row to win it, but with your opponents having a week or two to prepare for you. On the other hand, After WESG last year, Serral did win everything except Nation Wars and Maru had chances to face him but crumbled early. Serral's ZvT against Koreans is suspect a bit yes, but Innovation was on point in HSC and beat Rogue in Blizzcon. Serral didn't totally get a pass like Neeb did winning Kespa Cup.
It seems to me that Serral vs Maru comparisons feel like the old NCAA College football issues when you had unbeaten teams that were juggernauts but played weak schedules vs SEC teams who have a few losses and they never meet in the bowl games. Who was better? You never get to decide for sure. I don't think we are going anywhere, in fact. Also, I don't think anyone said Maru's year wasn't amazing but he "only" won 3 consecutive Code S. Great point. Honestly I feel like the "best player in the world" debate shouldn't even be happening right now. If Maru won Blizzcon, or advanced significantly further than Serral, then yes he would be the indisputable "best player in the world". However now I think there are two branches...Serral is the "best short term tournament player in the world" while Maru is the "best preparation tournament player in the world" and they both can be safely classified as "the two best players in the world." Also, the people crying the loudest about Terran being underpowered are also the ones championing Maru as the best player in the world...cognitive dissonance. Is it though? It seems logical to me..that if they think hes playing from a disadvantage it strengthens his claim? Care to elaborate? I'm anxious to learn what you think cognitive dissonance is. Yes. In Brood War, Terran was so overpowered that the ASL had to engineer maps so that someone other than Flash could win. I don't think we're in that stage here in SC2. But there too, the question is: Is Terran OP, or is Flash OP?
Terran is OP
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On March 15 2019 11:48 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 11:41 mierin wrote:On March 15 2019 11:36 DomeGetta wrote:On March 15 2019 11:12 mierin wrote:On March 15 2019 08:32 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2019 08:08 frazzle wrote:
I feel like this obsession with Maru v Serral is getting nowhere, which is part of the fun I suppose.
If you are a Serral fanboy you have to admit that 4 GSLs in a row is amazing. Imagine getting through IEM Katowice 4 times in a row to win it, but with your opponents having a week or two to prepare for you. On the other hand, After WESG last year, Serral did win everything except Nation Wars and Maru had chances to face him but crumbled early. Serral's ZvT against Koreans is suspect a bit yes, but Innovation was on point in HSC and beat Rogue in Blizzcon. Serral didn't totally get a pass like Neeb did winning Kespa Cup.
It seems to me that Serral vs Maru comparisons feel like the old NCAA College football issues when you had unbeaten teams that were juggernauts but played weak schedules vs SEC teams who have a few losses and they never meet in the bowl games. Who was better? You never get to decide for sure. I don't think we are going anywhere, in fact. Also, I don't think anyone said Maru's year wasn't amazing but he "only" won 3 consecutive Code S. Great point. Honestly I feel like the "best player in the world" debate shouldn't even be happening right now. If Maru won Blizzcon, or advanced significantly further than Serral, then yes he would be the indisputable "best player in the world". However now I think there are two branches...Serral is the "best short term tournament player in the world" while Maru is the "best preparation tournament player in the world" and they both can be safely classified as "the two best players in the world." Also, the people crying the loudest about Terran being underpowered are also the ones championing Maru as the best player in the world...cognitive dissonance. Is it though? It seems logical to me..that if they think hes playing from a disadvantage it strengthens his claim? Care to elaborate? I'm anxious to learn what you think cognitive dissonance is. Yes. In Brood War, Terran was so overpowered that the ASL had to engineer maps so that someone other than Flash could win. I don't think we're in that stage here in SC2. But there too, the question is: Is Terran OP, or is Flash OP?
There's no question. Flash plays Terran, and if Flash is OP then Terran is OP. Others need to "get good", otherwise we are balancing based on lower level players. If "getting good" isn't an option then Terran is indeed OP in BW. The same logic applies here in SC2.
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On March 14 2019 22:40 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 22:36 Mike L wrote:
that`s gotta be sick... will be funny if Scarlett manage to destroy the dream of many who waiting final Serral - Maru clash of the best players of 2018 If INno beats Maru we'll get that as third place match So if each series was 50-50, we'd have 50% chances of seeing Serral vs Maru
You do realize that it would be 25% for the Maru vs Serral MU if the preceeding series are both 50% right? :D
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On March 15 2019 12:07 Dachief wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 22:40 Poopi wrote:On March 14 2019 22:36 Mike L wrote:
that`s gotta be sick... will be funny if Scarlett manage to destroy the dream of many who waiting final Serral - Maru clash of the best players of 2018 If INno beats Maru we'll get that as third place match So if each series was 50-50, we'd have 50% chances of seeing Serral vs Maru You do realize that it would be 25% for the Maru vs Serral MU if the preceeding series are both 50% right? :D
You do realize that it would be 50% because Serral vs Maru can happen in either the finals or the third place match, right?
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On March 15 2019 11:51 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 11:48 TheDougler wrote:On March 15 2019 11:41 mierin wrote:On March 15 2019 11:36 DomeGetta wrote:On March 15 2019 11:12 mierin wrote:On March 15 2019 08:32 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2019 08:08 frazzle wrote:
I feel like this obsession with Maru v Serral is getting nowhere, which is part of the fun I suppose.
If you are a Serral fanboy you have to admit that 4 GSLs in a row is amazing. Imagine getting through IEM Katowice 4 times in a row to win it, but with your opponents having a week or two to prepare for you. On the other hand, After WESG last year, Serral did win everything except Nation Wars and Maru had chances to face him but crumbled early. Serral's ZvT against Koreans is suspect a bit yes, but Innovation was on point in HSC and beat Rogue in Blizzcon. Serral didn't totally get a pass like Neeb did winning Kespa Cup.
It seems to me that Serral vs Maru comparisons feel like the old NCAA College football issues when you had unbeaten teams that were juggernauts but played weak schedules vs SEC teams who have a few losses and they never meet in the bowl games. Who was better? You never get to decide for sure. I don't think we are going anywhere, in fact. Also, I don't think anyone said Maru's year wasn't amazing but he "only" won 3 consecutive Code S. Great point. Honestly I feel like the "best player in the world" debate shouldn't even be happening right now. If Maru won Blizzcon, or advanced significantly further than Serral, then yes he would be the indisputable "best player in the world". However now I think there are two branches...Serral is the "best short term tournament player in the world" while Maru is the "best preparation tournament player in the world" and they both can be safely classified as "the two best players in the world." Also, the people crying the loudest about Terran being underpowered are also the ones championing Maru as the best player in the world...cognitive dissonance. Is it though? It seems logical to me..that if they think hes playing from a disadvantage it strengthens his claim? Care to elaborate? I'm anxious to learn what you think cognitive dissonance is. Yes. In Brood War, Terran was so overpowered that the ASL had to engineer maps so that someone other than Flash could win. I don't think we're in that stage here in SC2. But there too, the question is: Is Terran OP, or is Flash OP? There's no question. Flash plays Terran, and if Flash is OP then Terran is OP. Others need to "get good", otherwise we are balancing based on lower level players. If "getting good" isn't an option then Terran is indeed OP in BW. The same logic applies here in SC2.
It wasnt even just flash either. all the bonjwas but one were terran
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On March 15 2019 05:08 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 03:38 Pursuit_ wrote:On March 15 2019 03:17 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2019 03:08 Boggyb wrote:On March 15 2019 02:30 fishjie wrote:On March 15 2019 01:04 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2019 00:39 fishjie wrote:
maru vs serral will be sick. hope maru will win, cause otherwise the insufferable serral fans boys like dave will be popping off and demanding that the bullying of serral stop (see power rank thread). i'm also ok with scarlett winning that'd be awesome too, there are no insufferable scarlett fan boys Noo, not really. Maru winning would result in Maru being canonized with every single Serral's accomplishment being diminished("you see? He only won because he dodged Maru, that foreigner scrub"); Inno winning is somehow better even if that would crown him GOAT in the eyes of his fans. not really, serral already proved himself best player in 2018 period, and i hate serral fanboys with a passion. its pretty much not open for debate. GSL vs the world, and then at blizzcon - he murdered all the korean competition. what i'm annoyed with is the hyperbole. serrals stats are inflated by being protected from region lock. he'd still have been best in 2018, but have that kind of record if no region lock? nah. No he didn't. He didn't beat a single top 3 Terran. He also didn't have a single series win while playing on the wrong side of an imbalanced match up. This is exactly what I meant. Let me inform you, Boggyb, that Serral didn't beat any top 3 Terran(a statement that could be contested as Gumiho being ahead of Innovation at the time HSC XVIII happened is a very dubious claim) because he did not face them; we are obviously speaking of what happened AFTER 4.30 BU, when Serral rose to prominence. Serral didn't actively dodge Terran, he just only got to play a bo1 against Maru at GSL vs the World, which he won. He beat Inno at GSL vs the World 3-0. exactly. serral beat inno multiple times, and i think at HSC as well? and LOL at anyone saying inno wasn't a top 3 terran at the time. Maru, TY, and innovation are top 3. who else belongs there? Gumiho? Alive (LOL). cmon now
At the time of GSL vs The World Gumiho clearly belonged int the top 3 terrans instead of Inno. Gumi made it to Ro8 of CodeS before and after GSL vs The World while Inno did not
On March 15 2019 04:33 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 04:26 fronkschnonk wrote:On March 15 2019 03:50 DomeGetta wrote:On March 15 2019 03:46 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2019 03:42 DomeGetta wrote:On March 15 2019 03:38 Pursuit_ wrote:On March 15 2019 03:17 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2019 03:08 Boggyb wrote:On March 15 2019 02:30 fishjie wrote:On March 15 2019 01:04 Xain0n wrote:
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Noo, not really. Maru winning would result in Maru being canonized with every single Serral's accomplishment being diminished("you see? He only won because he dodged Maru, that foreigner scrub"); Inno winning is somehow better even if that would crown him GOAT in the eyes of his fans.
not really, serral already proved himself best player in 2018 period, and i hate serral fanboys with a passion. its pretty much not open for debate. GSL vs the world, and then at blizzcon - he murdered all the korean competition. what i'm annoyed with is the hyperbole. serrals stats are inflated by being protected from region lock. he'd still have been best in 2018, but have that kind of record if no region lock? nah. No he didn't. He didn't beat a single top 3 Terran. He also didn't have a single series win while playing on the wrong side of an imbalanced match up. This is exactly what I meant. Let me inform you, Boggyb, that Serral didn't beat any top 3 Terran(a statement that could be contested as Gumiho being ahead of Innovation at the time HSC XVIII happened is a very dubious claim) because he did not face them; we are obviously speaking of what happened AFTER 4.30 BU, when Serral rose to prominence. Serral didn't actively dodge Terran, he just only got to play a bo1 against Maru at GSL vs the World, which he won. He beat Inno at GSL vs the World 3-0. He also lost to Maru 0-3 at Wesg which everyone seems to convienantly forget. Nobody forgets. Maru was the best when it happened while Serral wasn't at his best yet, it's easy; everything I have been discussing of takes into consideration that Serral became a player capable of beating top koreans in Premier tournament finals at a certain point between April and August and he started dominating after GSL vs the World. Ok but the assertion that was made was that Serral was hands down the best player of 2018..not May to December. When u line up achievements on both sides to me it still seems that has to be Maru and by a good margin. Not ignoring 4 wcs not ignoring blizzcon..3 gsls is still more difficult forget about wesg and even the 3 to 1 head to head mapscore. To emphasize your point: May as starting point of Serral's dominance is a bold assumption since he only proved his capability of winning vs toughest competition in august. Also, since he wasn't playing Maru (nobody's fault) he wasn't solely dominant for quite some time with Maru dominating GSLs before and after GSL vs The World. I had edited already as it was a wrong statement: Serral started dominating WCS in January and globally in August. As for Maru, his Code S domination could have not ended yet, but if we look at the global scene he was dethroned after GSL vs the World.
Well, I still don't think that Maru can be called dethroned internationally because of losing one match and going on to win GSL afterwards. You also didn't want to call Serral dethroned after losing to Inno and soO at IEM and I'd have supported your case if he hadn't lost vs Neeb in group stage. As the case for Serral being #1 after IEM is way shakier than calling Maru still globally dominant after his 3rd GSL win, I hardly can grasp your logic here.
On March 15 2019 08:08 frazzle wrote:
I feel like this obsession with Maru v Serral is getting nowhere, which is part of the fun I suppose.
You're correct. This is why I'll keep on the discussion 
Also because I think that the case isn't nearly as settled as many think due to the TL 2018 awards, so it is my purpose to not let this impression stabilize ^^
On March 15 2019 11:12 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 08:32 Xain0n wrote:On March 15 2019 08:08 frazzle wrote:
I feel like this obsession with Maru v Serral is getting nowhere, which is part of the fun I suppose.
If you are a Serral fanboy you have to admit that 4 GSLs in a row is amazing. Imagine getting through IEM Katowice 4 times in a row to win it, but with your opponents having a week or two to prepare for you. On the other hand, After WESG last year, Serral did win everything except Nation Wars and Maru had chances to face him but crumbled early. Serral's ZvT against Koreans is suspect a bit yes, but Innovation was on point in HSC and beat Rogue in Blizzcon. Serral didn't totally get a pass like Neeb did winning Kespa Cup.
It seems to me that Serral vs Maru comparisons feel like the old NCAA College football issues when you had unbeaten teams that were juggernauts but played weak schedules vs SEC teams who have a few losses and they never meet in the bowl games. Who was better? You never get to decide for sure. I don't think we are going anywhere, in fact. Also, I don't think anyone said Maru's year wasn't amazing but he "only" won 3 consecutive Code S. Great point. Honestly I feel like the "best player in the world" debate shouldn't even be happening right now. If Maru won Blizzcon, or advanced significantly further than Serral, then yes he would be the indisputable "best player in the world". However now I think there are two branches...Serral is the "best short term tournament player in the world" while Maru is the "best preparation tournament player in the world" and they both can be safely classified as "the two best players in the world." Also, the people crying the loudest about Terran being underpowered are also the ones championing Maru as the best player in the world...cognitive dissonance.
Hey, I never balance whined. The weird thing is: many are discussing Maru vs Serral as if this was a continuation for the competition of the title "best player in the world". But it's not. Maru lost to sOs in GSL Super Tournament and Blizzcon and Serral lost to Inno and soO at IEM and now vs Neeb in group stage. They perhaps can become the best again and winning WESG would be an important but not sufficient step to surely claim that title again.
So most of the discussion is wether Serral or Maru was the greatest of 2018.
Also, as others said: Maru, or Flash in BW are exceptions. Players that are ahead of many others. It can be misleading to judge balance by looking at the very best players. If one does this then mizenhower's famous patchzerg allegation becomes the default claim for any champion of any big tournament which would be just dumb.
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Maru was part of the 4 terran horsemen, and Flash was a bonjwa (all of which one were terran)
they weren't exceptions or alone - other players met their criteria
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If Scarlett wins, expect the same "well, it's WESG so it doesn't count" that happened with her IEM/Olympics win.
(I hope she wins.)
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The stars aligned for gumiho that year and he won a championship, much like soo did this year. but he reverted back to the mean. gumiho didn't qualify for super tournament 2 after losing to ??? i don't remember but it wasn't a top tier player
gumiho, byun, and innovation didn't qualify for super tournament 2 , and none of them made it to blizzcon either. so between those 3, inno has won more championships, he might have performed under his true ability that year, but he's still innovation. how is he not in the top 3 terran, and gumiho or byun be above him? an argument can be made in tvt that gumiho or even alive can beat innovation from time to time, but as a whole innovation is still stronger.
and serral beat innovation. actually, looking at the brackets (EDIT: for blizzcon) again, serral went 4-0 in his group, and TY was in his group, and iirc he played TY. TY was #2 at the time, ahead of innovation. serral already proved himself against inno and TY. you can argue inno wasn't top 3 terran at that time, but TY was definitely #2, and serral won. soooooo
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On March 15 2019 13:38 fishjie wrote:
The stars aligned for gumiho that year and he won a championship, much like soo did this year. but he reverted back to the mean. gumiho didn't qualify for super tournament 2 after losing to ??? i don't remember but it wasn't a top tier player
gumiho, byun, and innovation didn't qualify for super tournament 2 , and none of them made it to blizzcon either. so between those 3, inno has won more championships, he might have performed under his true ability that year, but he's still innovation. how is he not in the top 3 terran, and gumiho or byun be above him? an argument can be made in tvt that gumiho or even alive can beat innovation from time to time, but as a whole innovation is still stronger.
and serral beat innovation. actually, looking at the brackets again, serral went 4-0 in his group, and TY was in his group, and iirc he played TY. TY was #2 at the time, ahead of innovation. serral already proved himself against inno and TY. you can argue inno wasn't top 3 terran at that time, but TY was definitely #2, and serral won. soooooo
For what tournament was Serral in a group with TY? If you're talking about blizzcon that is not correct. Nor did they play at IEM or GSL vs the World. TY also wasn't at the homestory cup Serral won. I think you're confused.
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On March 15 2019 13:52 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 13:38 fishjie wrote:
The stars aligned for gumiho that year and he won a championship, much like soo did this year. but he reverted back to the mean. gumiho didn't qualify for super tournament 2 after losing to ??? i don't remember but it wasn't a top tier player
gumiho, byun, and innovation didn't qualify for super tournament 2 , and none of them made it to blizzcon either. so between those 3, inno has won more championships, he might have performed under his true ability that year, but he's still innovation. how is he not in the top 3 terran, and gumiho or byun be above him? an argument can be made in tvt that gumiho or even alive can beat innovation from time to time, but as a whole innovation is still stronger.
and serral beat innovation. actually, looking at the brackets again, serral went 4-0 in his group, and TY was in his group, and iirc he played TY. TY was #2 at the time, ahead of innovation. serral already proved himself against inno and TY. you can argue inno wasn't top 3 terran at that time, but TY was definitely #2, and serral won. soooooo For what tournament was Serral in a group with TY? If you're talking about blizzcon that is not correct. Nor did they play at IEM or GSL vs the World. TY also wasn't at the homestory cup Serral won. I think you're confused.
 2018 WCS Global Finals
He was in a group with TY
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On March 15 2019 13:53 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 13:52 JJH777 wrote:On March 15 2019 13:38 fishjie wrote:
The stars aligned for gumiho that year and he won a championship, much like soo did this year. but he reverted back to the mean. gumiho didn't qualify for super tournament 2 after losing to ??? i don't remember but it wasn't a top tier player
gumiho, byun, and innovation didn't qualify for super tournament 2 , and none of them made it to blizzcon either. so between those 3, inno has won more championships, he might have performed under his true ability that year, but he's still innovation. how is he not in the top 3 terran, and gumiho or byun be above him? an argument can be made in tvt that gumiho or even alive can beat innovation from time to time, but as a whole innovation is still stronger.
and serral beat innovation. actually, looking at the brackets again, serral went 4-0 in his group, and TY was in his group, and iirc he played TY. TY was #2 at the time, ahead of innovation. serral already proved himself against inno and TY. you can argue inno wasn't top 3 terran at that time, but TY was definitely #2, and serral won. soooooo For what tournament was Serral in a group with TY? If you're talking about blizzcon that is not correct. Nor did they play at IEM or GSL vs the World. TY also wasn't at the homestory cup Serral won. I think you're confused. 2018 WCS Global FinalsHe was in a group with TY
Err he wasn't though. Look at the groups again. sOs and Zest were in his group. I'm pretty sure TY and Serral have never played a tournament match against each other.
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oh wait nm, i confused myself
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Best case scenario: Scarlett beats Maru in the finals, Serral beats Inno for third place, and the Serral/Maru fan boys continue to argue forever about who's better.
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On March 15 2019 14:52 Kitai wrote:
Best case scenario: Scarlett beats Maru in the finals, Serral beats Inno for third place, and the Serral/Maru fan boys continue to argue forever about who's better.
I’m going to hop in on this hype train, imo this is what I’m cheering for because of my favorite players and the hilarious community reaction
otherwise, serral #1, scarlett #3
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On March 15 2019 14:52 Kitai wrote:
Best case scenario: Scarlett beats Maru in the finals, Serral beats Inno for third place, and the Serral/Maru fan boys continue to argue forever about who's better.
Please god no.
I can't take anymore. WE NEED ANSWERS. Next opportunity won't be until GSL vs The World again...
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I am happy with any of these players winning. I just want to see good matches.
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