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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
March 15 2019 18:10 GMT
#141
before region lock - koreans dominated. period. no debate. did you start watching sc2 just recently?
DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
March 15 2019 19:20 GMT
#142
One thing I will say - not to derail the sick nearly solved debate - is that I think both Scarlett and Serral have a good chance to beat either Innovation or Maru based on what I watched on soO's stream last night - he was beating both Maru and Inno for like 4 hours back and forth with some random Protoss in between - I think I saw him drop one map between the 2 of them I think to Maru vs a proxy 2 rax reaper lol. Unless soO is just now super saiyan soO godmode now that the Kong is dead - I think whoever plays in the finals it's going to be a sick series.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-15 19:27:54
March 15 2019 19:26 GMT
#143
On March 15 2019 19:30 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2019 19:20 AzAlexZ wrote:
On March 15 2019 12:40 pvsnp wrote:
On March 15 2019 12:07 Dachief wrote:
On March 14 2019 22:40 Poopi wrote:
On March 14 2019 22:36 Mike L wrote:
that`s gotta be sick... will be funny if Scarlett manage to destroy the dream of many who waiting final Serral - Maru clash of the best players of 2018

If INno beats Maru we'll get that as third place match

So if each series was 50-50, we'd have 50% chances of seeing Serral vs Maru


You do realize that it would be 25% for the Maru vs Serral MU if the preceeding series are both 50% right? :D


You do realize that it would be 50% because Serral vs Maru can happen in either the finals or the third place match, right?

it would still be 25% because the possible finals are:

Scarlett vs Inno
Scarlett vs Maru
Serral vs Inno
Serral vs Maru
25% for Serral vs Maru

The Corresponding 3rd place matches would then be:
Serral vs Maru
Serral vs Inno
Scarlett vs Maru
Scarlett vs Inno
again 25% for Serral vs Maru

so Serral vs Maru is possible in 2 of out 8 matches, therefore, if I did my math correctly, is 25% for Serral vs Maru

The maths are really simple:

Serral w - Maru w : 1/4 good (1/4 because 1/2 * 1/2, good because Maru and Serral meet)
Serral w - Maru l : 1/4 bad
Serral l - Maru w : 1/4 bad
Serral l - Maru l : 1/4 good

1/4+1/4 = 1/2

Basically your error comes from the fact that there are 4 possibilities not 8


This.

The sets of possible matches for third place and first place are complementary; if Serral wins then Scarlett must lose and vice versa. Thus your list of eight "possibilities" is actually only four real possibilities.

Serral vs Maru (means Scarlett vs Inno)
Serral vs Inno (means Scarlett vs Maru)
Scarlett vs Maru (means Serral vs Inno)
Scarlett vs Inno (means Serral vs Maru)

You are double-counting the possible matches, so you got half the actual probability as your result.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
March 15 2019 20:09 GMT
#144
On March 16 2019 03:10 fishjie wrote:
before region lock - koreans dominated. period. no debate. did you start watching sc2 just recently?


I have nothing to object, that's a fact.
StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
March 15 2019 20:37 GMT
#145
I am as interested as the rest of you in seeing Maru vs Serral albeit it’s a few months later than the situation I wanted it to be in.

However, and, yes, I stopped before I said this... I can make a pretty decent case that INnoVation is in better shape than Maru is at the moment and he is more than capable of ruining everyone’s dream matchup for (how many times now?).

On the other side, I think, if I’m not mistaken, that Scarlett was the last non Korean to take down Serral in an offline match. (IEM PyeongChang). She certainly had her chance at Valencia as well so Serral advancing is not a gimme.

I’m hoping we finally get what we want, but I’m just as eager to avoid a Maru vs Scarlett match because I fear that would look ridiculously one sided - Scarlett herself has mentioned she is quite fearful of him, which, to be fair, is an intelligent response.

(Would’ve liked to see more from Neeb against him but I think after that Game 2 loss I think he mentally folded - and yes I plead 🇺🇸 😏).

In a side note, maybe we should just automatically make Year Zero map 7 based on recent performances on it? It seems to have the best games but is the quickest to exhaust the players. 🤔
chavo
Profile Joined March 2008
United States14 Posts
March 16 2019 00:58 GMT
#146
Serral vs. Maru would be sick, but my heart is with Scarlett.
Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
March 16 2019 01:17 GMT
#147
On March 16 2019 05:37 StarcraftSquall wrote:
I am as interested as the rest of you in seeing Maru vs Serral albeit it’s a few months later than the situation I wanted it to be in.

However, and, yes, I stopped before I said this... I can make a pretty decent case that INnoVation is in better shape than Maru is at the moment and he is more than capable of ruining everyone’s dream matchup for (how many times now?).

On the other side, I think, if I’m not mistaken, that Scarlett was the last non Korean to take down Serral in an offline match. (IEM PyeongChang). She certainly had her chance at Valencia as well so Serral advancing is not a gimme.

I’m hoping we finally get what we want, but I’m just as eager to avoid a Maru vs Scarlett match because I fear that would look ridiculously one sided - Scarlett herself has mentioned she is quite fearful of him, which, to be fair, is an intelligent response.

(Would’ve liked to see more from Neeb against him but I think after that Game 2 loss I think he mentally folded - and yes I plead 🇺🇸 😏).

In a side note, maybe we should just automatically make Year Zero map 7 based on recent performances on it? It seems to have the best games but is the quickest to exhaust the players. 🤔

I dont want to nitpick, but Im pretty sure neeb was the last non korean to defeat serral in an offline match, as he did so in the group stages of thie very tournament.
Togekiss
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada154 Posts
March 16 2019 02:20 GMT
#148
Please, please, please. Scarlett vs Maru Finals. This way I can be happy with whoever wins!!!
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
March 16 2019 02:27 GMT
#149
I really would like to see Scarlett win a major championship, but it's hard to not want that Maru vs. Serral.

INNO YOU CAN TAKE 4TH.

StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
March 16 2019 03:08 GMT
#150
Ah yup you’re right. I’m just so used to Serral still being on his streak that I completely forgot about that (partially because no one got to SEE the match live - thanks WESG production).

Considering how big this tournament is you’d think they’d do a better job producing the thing. I mean, the casters are remote casting from Kiev. Since when is that a thing?
StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
March 16 2019 04:21 GMT
#151
IMPORTANT ALERT!

https://twitter.com/rotterdam08/status/1106622789442768897?s=21
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
March 16 2019 04:23 GMT
#152
On March 16 2019 12:08 StarcraftSquall wrote:
Ah yup you’re right. I’m just so used to Serral still being on his streak that I completely forgot about that (partially because no one got to SEE the match live - thanks WESG production).

Considering how big this tournament is you’d think they’d do a better job producing the thing. I mean, the casters are remote casting from Kiev. Since when is that a thing?


Yeah, that is really weird. Maybe it was easier to have them cast from Kiev than trying to get them VISAs in time? Based on how WESG has been going thus far, I wouldn't be surprised if the talent was hired too close to the tournament's start date to reliably get VISAs in time.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
col_jung
Profile Joined October 2017
139 Posts
March 16 2019 05:00 GMT
#153
GO MARU
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-16 06:39:25
March 16 2019 06:38 GMT
#154
I'm more excited about this final 4 than any I've seen in a long time. I'd be happy to see any of these players win.

I think a huge Serral vs Innovation finals, with all the nucs and endgame the displayed in their series at IEM would probably bee the most epic possibility...

Though, if I could create the storyline, I'd like to see Scarlett just crush everyone and really take a big championship like she deserves. Showing the wide range of strategies like nydus and large macro games and early 1 base attacks. She's got this sort of ethereal greatness to her play, that I would just love to see fully actualized. I think she could do it if conditions are right.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
-visnu-
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia151 Posts
March 22 2019 00:01 GMT
#155
sc:bw guys. stop this.
Serral pwns heavy though, would love to see him try BW
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