• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 03:52
CET 09:52
KST 17:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)1Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win2RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge2[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays 2v2 maps which are SC2 style with teams together? [BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D) soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft What happened to TvZ on Retro?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group A - Sat 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Nintendo Switch Thread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2103 users

Serral, Scarlett, Maru, INnoVation headed to WESG final fo…

Forum Index > SC2 General
154 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 All
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
March 15 2019 18:10 GMT
#141
before region lock - koreans dominated. period. no debate. did you start watching sc2 just recently?
DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
March 15 2019 19:20 GMT
#142
One thing I will say - not to derail the sick nearly solved debate - is that I think both Scarlett and Serral have a good chance to beat either Innovation or Maru based on what I watched on soO's stream last night - he was beating both Maru and Inno for like 4 hours back and forth with some random Protoss in between - I think I saw him drop one map between the 2 of them I think to Maru vs a proxy 2 rax reaper lol. Unless soO is just now super saiyan soO godmode now that the Kong is dead - I think whoever plays in the finals it's going to be a sick series.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-15 19:27:54
March 15 2019 19:26 GMT
#143
On March 15 2019 19:30 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2019 19:20 AzAlexZ wrote:
On March 15 2019 12:40 pvsnp wrote:
On March 15 2019 12:07 Dachief wrote:
On March 14 2019 22:40 Poopi wrote:
On March 14 2019 22:36 Mike L wrote:
that`s gotta be sick... will be funny if Scarlett manage to destroy the dream of many who waiting final Serral - Maru clash of the best players of 2018

If INno beats Maru we'll get that as third place match

So if each series was 50-50, we'd have 50% chances of seeing Serral vs Maru


You do realize that it would be 25% for the Maru vs Serral MU if the preceeding series are both 50% right? :D


You do realize that it would be 50% because Serral vs Maru can happen in either the finals or the third place match, right?

it would still be 25% because the possible finals are:

Scarlett vs Inno
Scarlett vs Maru
Serral vs Inno
Serral vs Maru
25% for Serral vs Maru

The Corresponding 3rd place matches would then be:
Serral vs Maru
Serral vs Inno
Scarlett vs Maru
Scarlett vs Inno
again 25% for Serral vs Maru

so Serral vs Maru is possible in 2 of out 8 matches, therefore, if I did my math correctly, is 25% for Serral vs Maru

The maths are really simple:

Serral w - Maru w : 1/4 good (1/4 because 1/2 * 1/2, good because Maru and Serral meet)
Serral w - Maru l : 1/4 bad
Serral l - Maru w : 1/4 bad
Serral l - Maru l : 1/4 good

1/4+1/4 = 1/2

Basically your error comes from the fact that there are 4 possibilities not 8


This.

The sets of possible matches for third place and first place are complementary; if Serral wins then Scarlett must lose and vice versa. Thus your list of eight "possibilities" is actually only four real possibilities.

Serral vs Maru (means Scarlett vs Inno)
Serral vs Inno (means Scarlett vs Maru)
Scarlett vs Maru (means Serral vs Inno)
Scarlett vs Inno (means Serral vs Maru)

You are double-counting the possible matches, so you got half the actual probability as your result.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
March 15 2019 20:09 GMT
#144
On March 16 2019 03:10 fishjie wrote:
before region lock - koreans dominated. period. no debate. did you start watching sc2 just recently?


I have nothing to object, that's a fact.
StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
March 15 2019 20:37 GMT
#145
I am as interested as the rest of you in seeing Maru vs Serral albeit it’s a few months later than the situation I wanted it to be in.

However, and, yes, I stopped before I said this... I can make a pretty decent case that INnoVation is in better shape than Maru is at the moment and he is more than capable of ruining everyone’s dream matchup for (how many times now?).

On the other side, I think, if I’m not mistaken, that Scarlett was the last non Korean to take down Serral in an offline match. (IEM PyeongChang). She certainly had her chance at Valencia as well so Serral advancing is not a gimme.

I’m hoping we finally get what we want, but I’m just as eager to avoid a Maru vs Scarlett match because I fear that would look ridiculously one sided - Scarlett herself has mentioned she is quite fearful of him, which, to be fair, is an intelligent response.

(Would’ve liked to see more from Neeb against him but I think after that Game 2 loss I think he mentally folded - and yes I plead 🇺🇸 😏).

In a side note, maybe we should just automatically make Year Zero map 7 based on recent performances on it? It seems to have the best games but is the quickest to exhaust the players. 🤔
chavo
Profile Joined March 2008
United States14 Posts
March 16 2019 00:58 GMT
#146
Serral vs. Maru would be sick, but my heart is with Scarlett.
Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
March 16 2019 01:17 GMT
#147
On March 16 2019 05:37 StarcraftSquall wrote:
I am as interested as the rest of you in seeing Maru vs Serral albeit it’s a few months later than the situation I wanted it to be in.

However, and, yes, I stopped before I said this... I can make a pretty decent case that INnoVation is in better shape than Maru is at the moment and he is more than capable of ruining everyone’s dream matchup for (how many times now?).

On the other side, I think, if I’m not mistaken, that Scarlett was the last non Korean to take down Serral in an offline match. (IEM PyeongChang). She certainly had her chance at Valencia as well so Serral advancing is not a gimme.

I’m hoping we finally get what we want, but I’m just as eager to avoid a Maru vs Scarlett match because I fear that would look ridiculously one sided - Scarlett herself has mentioned she is quite fearful of him, which, to be fair, is an intelligent response.

(Would’ve liked to see more from Neeb against him but I think after that Game 2 loss I think he mentally folded - and yes I plead 🇺🇸 😏).

In a side note, maybe we should just automatically make Year Zero map 7 based on recent performances on it? It seems to have the best games but is the quickest to exhaust the players. 🤔

I dont want to nitpick, but Im pretty sure neeb was the last non korean to defeat serral in an offline match, as he did so in the group stages of thie very tournament.
Togekiss
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada154 Posts
March 16 2019 02:20 GMT
#148
Please, please, please. Scarlett vs Maru Finals. This way I can be happy with whoever wins!!!
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3077 Posts
March 16 2019 02:27 GMT
#149
I really would like to see Scarlett win a major championship, but it's hard to not want that Maru vs. Serral.

INNO YOU CAN TAKE 4TH.

StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
March 16 2019 03:08 GMT
#150
Ah yup you’re right. I’m just so used to Serral still being on his streak that I completely forgot about that (partially because no one got to SEE the match live - thanks WESG production).

Considering how big this tournament is you’d think they’d do a better job producing the thing. I mean, the casters are remote casting from Kiev. Since when is that a thing?
StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
March 16 2019 04:21 GMT
#151
IMPORTANT ALERT!

https://twitter.com/rotterdam08/status/1106622789442768897?s=21
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
March 16 2019 04:23 GMT
#152
On March 16 2019 12:08 StarcraftSquall wrote:
Ah yup you’re right. I’m just so used to Serral still being on his streak that I completely forgot about that (partially because no one got to SEE the match live - thanks WESG production).

Considering how big this tournament is you’d think they’d do a better job producing the thing. I mean, the casters are remote casting from Kiev. Since when is that a thing?


Yeah, that is really weird. Maybe it was easier to have them cast from Kiev than trying to get them VISAs in time? Based on how WESG has been going thus far, I wouldn't be surprised if the talent was hired too close to the tournament's start date to reliably get VISAs in time.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
col_jung
Profile Joined October 2017
139 Posts
March 16 2019 05:00 GMT
#153
GO MARU
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-16 06:39:25
March 16 2019 06:38 GMT
#154
I'm more excited about this final 4 than any I've seen in a long time. I'd be happy to see any of these players win.

I think a huge Serral vs Innovation finals, with all the nucs and endgame the displayed in their series at IEM would probably bee the most epic possibility...

Though, if I could create the storyline, I'd like to see Scarlett just crush everyone and really take a big championship like she deserves. Showing the wide range of strategies like nydus and large macro games and early 1 base attacks. She's got this sort of ethereal greatness to her play, that I would just love to see fully actualized. I think she could do it if conditions are right.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
-visnu-
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia149 Posts
March 22 2019 00:01 GMT
#155
sc:bw guys. stop this.
Serral pwns heavy though, would love to see him try BW
Prev 1 6 7 8 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 9m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 168
ProTech43
trigger 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3458
Larva 444
PianO 264
Sacsri 73
soO 32
ToSsGirL 26
sorry 18
Killer 18
Bale 8
Hm[arnc] 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever274
League of Legends
JimRising 584
Trikslyr25
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss415
Other Games
summit1g9152
ceh9522
Happy346
C9.Mang0265
Mew2King132
NeuroSwarm74
QueenE22
NotJumperer14
Dewaltoss14
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick724
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream330
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH213
• Adnapsc2 15
• LUISG 11
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1633
• Stunt614
• HappyZerGling158
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
3h 9m
PiGosaur Cup
16h 9m
Replay Cast
1d
Wardi Open
1d 3h
OSC
1d 4h
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
1d 15h
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
OSC
3 days
LAN Event
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

SOOP Univ League 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.