EPThow does TSL avoid it? just, transparency with replays and a lot of oversight?
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how does TSL avoid it? just, transparency with replays and a lot of oversight? | ||
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Rob-Zero
Germany460 Posts
On January 14 2019 22:45 yht9657 wrote: Never understand why instead of an open qualifier WCS would rather have this whole ladder-racing thing, GSL is just way superior in this aspect with no risk of this kind of bullshit happening. Really, we all know there has never been any matchfixing in Korea....wait, what ? I personally think ladder qualifiers are exciting and would like to get them even more hyped up, as anyone above me said, the TSL qualifiers back then were great and generated a lot of stories. There will always be players that think they can trick the system, no matter the system, and if this accusation is true, it just proves how dumb players can be, as it is extremely transparent who played against which opponent, at what time, for how long, etc. | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
On January 14 2019 23:23 Rob-Zero wrote: Really, we all know there has never been any matchfixing in Korea....wait, what ? I personally think ladder qualifiers are exciting and would like to get them even more hyped up, as anyone above me said, the TSL qualifiers back then were great and generated a lot of stories. There will always be players that think they can trick the system, no matter the system, and if this accusation is true, it just proves how dumb players can be, as it is extremely transparent who played against which opponent, at what time, for how long, etc. It's almost impossible to eliminate matchfixing caused by outside gambling from competitive sports since there will always be people dumb enough to try, but it's very easy to change your tournament format to prevent players from cheating like this in order to qualify. | ||
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K5
Slovenia22 Posts
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Rob-Zero
Germany460 Posts
On January 15 2019 00:06 yht9657 wrote: It's almost impossible to eliminate matchfixing caused by outside gambling from competitive sports since there will always be people dumb enough to try, but it's very easy to change your tournament format to prevent players from cheating like this in order to qualify. Yah, i understand your argument, i just don´t think it is necessary, since i don´t think it is that big of a deal. And I don´t want to renounce of something i like just because of some dumb kids not understanding why there is no fun in not being fair. But hey, i also understand that this is my point of view and that there are a lot of people with another opinion. | ||
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Falcon_Power
Canada26 Posts
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Rob-Zero
Germany460 Posts
On January 15 2019 01:36 Falcon_Power wrote: why Parting removed his spot? He had like 3 spot top 10. Parting is not allowed to play in WCS EU or NA as far as i know, since he is in Korea. So his mmr is not taken into account for the ladder qualifier. | ||
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kinsky
Germany368 Posts
i agree too. edit: dont hate the player, hate the game. but still, if they/he are/is guilty, there is no excuse for this shit. really bad sportsmanship. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On January 14 2019 23:15 travis wrote: anyone remember wdtour? I actually made it in the tournament because players got removed for this exact reason. and that was like 15 years ago. how does TSL avoid it? just, transparency with replays and a lot of oversight? Yeah, maybe someone actually involved in the process will comment, but there were so many knowledgeable people (both TL staff and fans) watching the TSL ladder so closely. I'm not sure what exact process the TSL admins used, but I think at the very least they examined the match history of every qualifying player. If anything looked fishy then they did a deeper investigation. Replays were all available to be watched, so even if games looked normal from the outside (by match length, build order, APM, etc), there were people actually watching the replays to see if there were any signs of throwing the game or abnormal play. It's unfortunate that in 2019 there are multiple people in this thread disapproving of ladder qualifiers due to fair play being supposedly inherently unenforceable when a bunch of volunteers were capable of running some very awesome ladder qualifiers a decade ago. As others have said, ladder qualifiers can be really fun but organization and community have to be there. | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
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ProTech
United States493 Posts
They don't take anything seriously these days, it's a joke. | ||
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Haukinger
Germany131 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On January 15 2019 03:04 Haukinger wrote: There's a law against intentionally losing a game on ladder? You guys are ridiculous. The ladder is part of the WCS qualifying system. It's not just throwing games on ladder for teh lulz, it's like throwing against your teammate in a tournament so that they can advance. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2634 Posts
On January 15 2019 01:40 Rob-Zero wrote: Parting is not allowed to play in WCS EU or NA as far as i know, since he is in Korea. So his mmr is not taken into account for the ladder qualifier. Thank god for fairness for all players! /s Seriously why is region lock still a thing. | ||
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Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
On January 15 2019 03:04 Haukinger wrote: There's a law against intentionally losing a game on ladder? You guys are ridiculous. "Losing a game on ladder"? Nope, this is Cyan laddering and boosting Route's account to 6.2k so they could be matched in ladder and do whatever they need to get the spots... in this case taking a free win (0:00 win) 2 min before the time expires to get the last one. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On January 15 2019 03:04 Haukinger wrote: There's a law against intentionally losing a game on ladder? You guys are ridiculous. It is when it's part of the competition. Plus account-sharing which is also alleged and proven beyond a reasonable doubt is expressly against the general ToS as well. EDIT: 6.2. Cheating. (a) Players must compete to the best of their ability at all times. Any form of cheating will not be tolerated. All players are prohibited from influencing or manipulating a WCS game or match so that the outcome is determined by anything other than its merits. Examples of cheating would include: • Collusion, match fixing or any other action to intentionally alter, or attempt to alter, the results of any game or match, including losing a game or match with another player in order to advance one or the other’s rank; • Allowing an individual who is not the registered owner of a Battle.net Account to play on that Battle.net Account in StarCraft II or any other Blizzard game. (b) If someone asks you to bet on any WCS game or “fix” the outcome of a game, you must immediately report this contact to Blizzard using the following email address: sc2admin@blizzard.com. https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/page_media/m5/M538872VEAGF1516242955164.pdf | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On January 15 2019 03:04 Haukinger wrote: There's a law against intentionally losing a game on ladder? You guys are ridiculous. When you thought that you finally found something people can't fucking disagree with, here comes The Guy. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
Disappointed in the others  | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On January 15 2019 03:52 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Look at good guy Has man, he doesn't need this drama and bull**it...the guy is legit, really happy for him! Disappointed in the others Has is the man who is trying to save Starcraft. Infinite respect | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
i remember having to ban so many top players for win abuse | ||
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