EPTThere's absolutely no excuse for Cyan (0 second game with 2 minutes left in the competition) and Nice (the 29 second game and 17 second game) however. They and Route should be banned for a year.
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TheDougler
Canada8323 Posts
There's absolutely no excuse for Cyan (0 second game with 2 minutes left in the competition) and Nice (the 29 second game and 17 second game) however. They and Route should be banned for a year. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On January 15 2019 05:48 TheDougler wrote: At a glance, the cannon rush games, while shitty, would set a dangerous precedent to punish those. It was often said during the controversy around Naniwa's infamous probe rush that if he had even just cannon-rushed, that would have been something. So I could see not punishing Jieshi for this, without further evidence. Just my opinion. I could see arguments against it, but I just think unfortunately it'd be a very tough thing to police. Like, if the "legit" game against Has had also been a cannon rush, that wouldn't really incriminate Has, you know Has is gonna be cheesy so it's fair to try to throw him off his game early. Then again, it did happen multiple times... There's absolutely no excuse for Cyan (0 second game with 2 minutes left in the competition) and Nice (the 29 second game and 17 second game) however. They and Route should be banned for a year. There isn't any evidence (that we know of) that Nice or Jieshi are complicit to this match-fixing though. It's possible that Cyan playing as Route quit those games really fast of his own volition, because they're his buddies or because he was trying to get matched up against himself etc. I'm not sure how you could prove that they knew what Cyan was doing. | ||
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StiMpacKeD1
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TheDougler
Canada8323 Posts
On January 15 2019 05:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: There isn't any evidence (that we know of) that Nice or Jieshi are complicit to this match-fixing though. It's possible that Cyan playing as Route quit those games really fast of his own volition, because they're his buddies or because he was trying to get matched up against himself etc. I'm not sure how you could prove that they knew what Cyan was doing. That's true I suppose. Good point. | ||
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Zreg
9 Posts
Its a shame but hey, this will also boost the channels in the sc2 list and would be really cool to find new p[layers looking to break out while we all watch their games, im flicking through the best ZPT most of the night, its amazing sc atm | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
On January 15 2019 06:28 Zreg wrote: Yes i agree with someone above. You identify a month before the season starts that you intend to compete in the wcs ladder, You are not limited by time but all games HAVE to be streamed, kinda like speedrun races. I know it can really hurt some players due to connection or technology but a line has to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I am absolutelky sure they all have each other on each others friends list and send a message like, hey man, if i vs you im in top 8 can you go easy? or mate, ur 56th, if i match you will you throw? Its a shame but hey, this will also boost the channels in the sc2 list and would be really cool to find new p[layers looking to break out while we all watch their games, im flicking through the best ZPT most of the night, its amazing sc atm I think streaming all your games is a bit overkill because 1) what if you're a good, aspiring pro player but you have a potato computer? A lot of people fall in this category. And 2) people see all your builds, your playstyle, your bad habits etc etc. I was thinking maybe they need to submit all their reps, but since qualification falls over a long period of time iirc so that may not be possible either. There is no perfect method to prevent all cheaters. After all, if someone really wanted to cheat, they will find a way. The best thing we can do imo is an analysis of all qualified players and to see if they cheated to get there. One or two < 2 mins game here and there over a long period is fine (dc, doorbell, unexpected bathroom breaks happens), but if there is a pattern of trading or drastic unexpected hotkey change and different hotkey usage pattern, then Blizz just needs to swiftly ban that person and all/any accomplice. Then analyze the next person up on the ladder, if they are clean then give the spot to the next waitlisted player. | ||
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fealx
Germany376 Posts
On January 15 2019 02:19 ProTech wrote: I think the real question here is: Why do we have random people on reddit/in-game discovering this kind of stuff? Why isn't BLIZZARD cleaning up their servers? They don't take anything seriously these days, it's a joke. Maybe because Blizzard is a big company who cant just accuse people as long as they dont have a real proof??????? They were probably already investigating it. Really dont know why you blame Blizzard here...your post is the joke here | ||
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CiuCiu
31 Posts
P.S.S I have checked the match history, seems I am totally wrong. I should apologize to both players.  I agree. | ||
Waxangel
United States33699 Posts
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StiMpacKeD1
5 Posts
On January 15 2019 07:20 fealx wrote: Maybe because Blizzard is a big company who cant just accuse people as long as they dont have a real proof??????? They were probably already investigating it. Really dont know why you blame Blizzard here...your post is the joke here The community has been reporting things like this to blizzard for YEARS now. Do you know what happens? Those users are silenced and shamed. #freeAvilo When SC2 went free to play Blizzard's emphasis went to the WCS circuit and off of their core playerbase. Game balance has suffered since. Blizzard teams, devs, CFO's have broken away from the company. The Blizzard we grew up with and fell for, is gone. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33699 Posts
DnS, MarineLord, and SpeCial were given around 2 month bans for win-trading during a ladder qualifier, so maybe we can expect the same (pending the result of the investigation)? | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On January 15 2019 09:08 Waxangel wrote: For reference: WCS Spring 2016 Win-Trading Ruling DnS, MarineLord, and SpeCial were given around 2 month bans for win-trading during a ladder qualifier, so maybe we can expect the same (pending the result of the investigation)? Punishments have a tendency to get harsher over time because people should know better and have seen others get punished but are still doing it. Also, given all the damage various forms of cheating have done to Starcraft over the years, and the precarious state of the esport in the era of the Activision CFO, a 2 month ban hardly seems enough, so maybe 4? What would a 2 month ban even remove other than WCS Winter? Just IEM Katowice? | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/IW0zNul.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/qp2onX1.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/SMzoHrz.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/dtZWs3s.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/uWC0uoy.jpg) My F*cking Translation: F*ck,I am so sleepy but can't fall asleep. I fell nervous. Ladder race is so thrilling I you can't fall asleep, play on Korea server. Play for fun. Wait I have a good idea. How about to absorb their MMR? Log in a standby account? Hahahaha Hahahahahahahaha Parting's account is just 6200MMR. Can anyone borrow me an account? Hurry. Hurry. Are there any account about 6000MMR? I am going to absorb MMR. How about Route? Let me ask him, Only Route have it. It is seemed that play some account standby and they will be useful in crux moment. What's his QQ? Let me ask him. I forgot his QQ ID. And his WeChat. F*ck it is necessary to remark. This may be from Cyan's QQ talking group. | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/10gJh9X.png) Translation: Cyan's talking group has benn dissolved. There are an old story in China: Someone havd 15kg silver, he buried it in his yard.But he was afraid that thief would steal it, so he set a sign with "Here are no 15kg silver" written on. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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busyghost
82 Posts
On January 15 2019 14:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Are the other people in Cyan's talking group people we know? Or just random people? It is his fan club group. Which could make the things much much worse. All previous breaches were players colluding with close friends to get easy points. THIS, if found true, is a more serious breach than collusion. | ||
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
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lechatnoir
392 Posts
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argonautdice
Canada2722 Posts
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Icarus2
China109 Posts
Hope Blizzard will give him a severe punishment if the accusation is true. | ||
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