EPTSerral wins the 2018 WCS Global Finals - Page 7
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Durnuu
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Sphairos
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BTW, what do we know about Serral's personality ? He must have some extraordinary personal features , as an extremely high IQ or something of the like. I mean, EVERYONE is working hard , literally everyone . Just watch HeroMarine's or SpeCial's streams, or Korean players. Yet Serral beats everyone like gold leaguers... In boxing we call it a 'declass'... | ||
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JokerAi
Germany142 Posts
His personality reminds of Snute. After life got permanently banned i thinking we never see a so skilled zerg. but i was wrong we got a absolut amazing skilled zerg from EU serral. If he start is sc2 Career i was thinking he can be good. Maybe he get some wins to koreans. But now he absolutly destroy koreans and say that he make mistakes in game that is so funny. I hope he can make this amazing run agian next year. GL serral | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On November 06 2018 00:45 Sphairos wrote: Serral is Mozart of StarCraft. BTW, what do we know about Serral's personality ? He must have some extraordinary personal features , as an extremely high IQ or something of the like. I mean, EVERYONE is working hard , literally everyone . Just watch HeroMarine's or SpeCial's streams, or Korean players. Yet Serral beats everyone like gold leaguers... In boxing we call it a 'declass'... The word around town is that he's a fairly private and down to earth guy, dosen't party much and never really gets angry at the game. He comes from a competitive familly and his brother was also a very good sc2 players. He dosen't grind as much as other but he make sure he practice the right way. As for his "IQ" or whatever, well Life was one of the most succesfull player of all time and also a general morron, so we can't say much else than Serral is an amazing SC2 talent, dosen't mean he's some kind of other wordly genious. (I am not saying he's stupid of course, and he does seem like a pretty nice guy) | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 06 2018 01:20 Nakajin wrote: The word around town is that he's a fairly private and down to earth guy, dosen't party much and never really gets angry at the game. He comes from a competitive familly and his brother was also a very good sc2 players. He dosen't grind as much as other but he make sure he practice the right way. As for his "IQ" or whatever, well Life was one of the most succesfull player of all time and also a general morron, so we can't say much else than Serral is an amazing SC2 talent, dosen't mean he's some kind of other wordly genious. (I am not saying he's stupid of course, and he does seem like a pretty nice guy) I wonder if the 10+ years of getting beaten by his older brother in every single game is what desensitized him to ladder anxiety and on stage stress. "You took 2 maps from me in a row? that s nice, i used to go 0-200 every week when i was 12, it s fine" | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On November 06 2018 00:09 Charoisaur wrote: Nah, winning 3 GSLs is nothing. If Serral had competed in GSL Maru would have won 0 GSLs. WCS is harder than GSL anyway (Serral dropped more maps vs Scarlett, Lambo and Reynor than vs top koreans at blizzcon) So Serral won 4 tournaments harder than the GSL and on top of that GSLvsTW and Blizzcon. No series dropped in 9 months. Definitely GOAT and bonjwa now. But keep denying it korean elitists. So funny to see the haters doing mental gymnastics to discredit his win. It's good that Maru got eliminated early. Serral would have demolished him in 15 minutes. He's just on another level than any player ever was. So salty, loving it, prepare for some rough days dude <3 | ||
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machinus
United States291 Posts
This argument isn't going to die because we never got to see the head to head matchup everyone wanted. The real question is whether or not Serral could win 3 GSLs in a row, which any reasonable person would have to admit is probably impossible. It's still astounding that Maru did it. | ||
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ZackAttack
United States884 Posts
On November 06 2018 02:15 machinus wrote: GSL is harder than WCS. Maru beats Stats all the time in Korea. This argument isn't going to die because we never got to see the head to head matchup everyone wanted. The real question is whether or not Serral could win 3 GSLs in a row, which any reasonable person would have to admit is probably impossible. It's still astounding that Maru did it. I think impossible is an exaggeration. Of course no one would expect it, but if Serral played in GSL he would clearly be one of the 2-3 favorites to win it every season, so it’s reasonable if improbable. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On November 06 2018 00:09 Charoisaur wrote: Nah, winning 3 GSLs is nothing. If Serral had competed in GSL Maru would have won 0 GSLs. WCS is harder than GSL anyway (Serral dropped more maps vs Scarlett, Lambo and Reynor than vs top koreans at blizzcon) So Serral won 4 tournaments harder than the GSL and on top of that GSLvsTW and Blizzcon. No series dropped in 9 months. Definitely GOAT and bonjwa now. But keep denying it korean elitists. So funny to see the haters doing mental gymnastics to discredit his win. It's good that Maru got eliminated early. Serral would have demolished him in 15 minutes. He's just on another level than any player ever was. Not saying you're wrong about that Serral probably destroying Maru if they would have met but calling Serral GOAT is that just troll bait? I mean bonjwa you can argue for, GOAT you kinda can't. The only reason Maru was in the discussions was because he has shown years of S level results before winning three GSLs in a row. Serral literally has nothing pre 2018, he isn't even top top 5 GOAT, not even close. One year of top results is not enough to get you past players that have done almost the same thing but also more for several more years. Best in the world for sure, better than Maru based on results for sure but greatest of all time? Lets not get ahead of ourselves here. | ||
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On November 06 2018 02:15 machinus wrote: GSL is harder than WCS. Maru beats Stats all the time in Korea. This argument isn't going to die because we never got to see the head to head matchup everyone wanted. The real question is whether or not Serral could win 3 GSLs in a row, which any reasonable person would have to admit is probably impossible. It's still astounding that Maru did it. Well I consider Serral to be a better player than Maru so yeah, I think it would be possible, but unlikely like it was for Maru. It would be harder for Serral because he'd have to face Maru as well, while Maru didn't face Serral. | ||
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Ballnazor
Sweden22 Posts
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Sphairos
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On November 06 2018 01:20 Nakajin wrote: The word around town is that he's a fairly private and down to earth guy, dosen't party much and never really gets angry at the game. He comes from a competitive familly and his brother was also a very good sc2 players. He dosen't grind as much as other but he make sure he practice the right way. As for his "IQ" or whatever, well Life was one of the most succesfull player of all time and also a general morron, so we can't say much else than Serral is an amazing SC2 talent, dosen't mean he's some kind of other wordly genious. (I am not saying he's stupid of course, and he does seem like a pretty nice guy) But my man ... Life was a cheater -- we don't know which games were fixed and how... Serral also has been much more consistent than Life : Serral has won almost everything important this year, Life got himself only a GSL and World Cup, and it was like in 5 month. Actually, I would not have been surprized , if Serral beat Life the same way he beat Rogue and Dark -- like they were diamond or smth. I ve been Serral's fan for over 5 years, I was startled by his uncanny smooth and clean performances first time I saw him play (even though he lost then). I ve seen him live a couple of times : I remember at Dreamhack Leipzig I observed him and his mates (Welmu and someone else) talk , fool around etc. It was then when I first started to think , that there is something "not normal" about his mind -- meaning , "above normal". He is super friendly and down to earth, like your good ol buddy next door, but when he starts to play , he's doing something different... How come these 2 things get along in him so smoothly? ... To me it's something extraordinary. It's a pure talent. Then, I wonder, how does (or will) that extraordinary talent translate into other areas of human activity -- like, math, programming, business etc. | ||
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Sphairos
22 Posts
On November 06 2018 01:32 Geo.Rion wrote: I wonder if the 10+ years of getting beaten by his older brother in every single game is what desensitized him to ladder anxiety and on stage stress. "You took 2 maps from me in a row? that s nice, i used to go 0-200 every week when i was 12, it s fine" I kinda doubt that, because we ALL have been in those shoes : when I was 13-14 I played with Russian pros, like Asmodey (WCS winner) and SnT, and got beat hardcore, more than 0-200 for sure. And that lasted for years =) Everyone who's ever tried to play professionally/semi-professionally has been through that... | ||
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
On November 06 2018 00:09 Charoisaur wrote: Nah, winning 3 GSLs is nothing. If Serral had competed in GSL Maru would have won 0 GSLs. WCS is harder than GSL anyway (Serral dropped more maps vs Scarlett, Lambo and Reynor than vs top koreans at blizzcon) So Serral won 4 tournaments harder than the GSL and on top of that GSLvsTW and Blizzcon. No series dropped in 9 months. Definitely GOAT and bonjwa now. But keep denying it korean elitists. So funny to see the haters doing mental gymnastics to discredit his win. It's good that Maru got eliminated early. Serral would have demolished him in 15 minutes. He's just on another level than any player ever was. Lol cant tell if this is a troll post. Serral is amazing. Having said that..the rest of the foreign scene is waaaay behind him. U saw that at blizzcon as well with special being the only other player to stand out. Code S is without a doubt harder than WCS. That doesnt say anything about Serral though since we havent seen him in a code S. To say hes better than Maru is a stretch tho imo since the only series they played (non best of 1) featured Maru steamrolling him. I really hope to see him in Korea this year though i am confident he could win a code S. Personally dont see a 3 x code s champion happening ever again. Lets not forget what the biggest hurdle historically for foreigners has been though....korean terrans. Serral managed to face 0 at blizzcon which will literally never happen in a code S..you have a gtd 4 horsemen code S and hopefully the god himself taeja next year! Dont forget byun if he decides to play again. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On November 06 2018 02:15 machinus wrote: GSL is harder than WCS. Maru beats Stats all the time in Korea. This argument isn't going to die because we never got to see the head to head matchup everyone wanted. The real question is whether or not Serral could win 3 GSLs in a row, which any reasonable person would have to admit is probably impossible. It's still astounding that Maru did it. this is ridiculous. WCS champions is the culmination of GSLs. It's the top performing GSL players that are even in the WCS championships in the first place. Neeb got Ro4 in GSL and didn't even make it past groups in the WCS finals. Maru won 3 GSL in a row and lost 3-0 in the quarterfinals. "could serral win 3 gsls in a row" is a silly question. you're picking a completely arbitrary and highly luck based standard, while completely ignoring the obvious metric which is literally what serral just did. and furthermore to claim that him "winning 3 GSLS in a row is probably impossible" is honestly just stupid. exactly what evidence is there that Maru is more capable than he is. no please, really. who has shown more consistency and ability over the last year, the guy who literally won everything, or the guy who just lost in the ro8 in the biggest tournament of the year? and oh yeah, that same guy (maru) lost in the OTHER big tournament that had serral in it as well, which Serral ALSO won that one. AND BEAT HIM IN THEIR SHOWMATCH THAT VERY WEEKEND. It's honestly getting absurd at this point. | ||
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
On November 06 2018 03:03 travis wrote: this is ridiculous. WCS champions is the culmination of GSLs. It's the top performing GSL players that are even in the WCS championships in the first place. Neeb got Ro4 in GSL and didn't even make it past groups in the WCS finals. Maru won 3 GSL in a row and lost 3-0 in the quarterfinals. "could serral win 3 gsls in a row" is a silly question. you're picking a completely arbitrary and highly luck based standard, while completely ignoring the obvious metric which is literally what serral just did. and furthermore to claim that him "winning 3 GSLS in a row is probably impossible" is honestly just stupid. exactly what evidence is there that Maru is more capable than he is. no please, really. who has shown more consistency and ability over the last year, the guy who literally won everything, or the guy who just lost in the ro8 in the biggest tournament of the year? and oh yeah, that same guy (maru) lost in the OTHER big tournament that had serral in it as well, which Serral ALSO won that one. AND BEAT HIM IN THEIR SHOWMATCH THAT VERY WEEKEND. It's honestly getting absurd at this point. If you are gonna full on rage u shouldnt cherry pick facts. Maru 3 0d him in the only series they played this year. Blizzcon was super impressive but he didnt meet even 1 kr terran. Code S is more difficult 100%. Doesnt mean i dont think he can do it but its a fact. You say he won everything but winning wcs is a joke at this point so really he won blizzcon and super tournament and lost wesg and katowice. Still best foreigner ever..but get a grip on reality. | ||
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Sphairos
22 Posts
On November 06 2018 03:00 Sphairos wrote: I kinda doubt that, because we ALL have been in those shoes : when I was 13-14 I played with Russian pros, like Asmodey (WCS winner) and SnT, and got beat hardcore, more than 0-200 for sure. And that lasted for years =) Everyone who's ever tried to play professionally/semi-professionally has been through that... BTW, said Asmodey is now a professional poker player, and is doing alright =) BTW, I've met another SC BW superstar - ElkY , at a professional poker tournament, he is now a big poker player too , winning millions of moneys ^_^ Is that Serral's destiny too maybe ? ^^ | ||
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llIH
Norway2144 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 06 2018 03:11 DomeGetta wrote: If you are gonna full on rage u shouldnt cherry pick facts. Maru 3 0d him in the only series they played this year. Blizzcon was super impressive but he didnt meet even 1 kr terran. Code S is more difficult 100%. Doesnt mean i dont think he can do it but its a fact. You say he won everything but winning wcs is a joke at this point so really he won blizzcon and super tournament and lost wesg and katowice. Still best foreigner ever..but get a grip on reality. I was 100% sure when TY went out in the ro8 that this shit gonna surface. bLiZZcoN doNT maTTer cuz he dindt beAT the teRRans! Yes, Maru beat him 3-0 at the start of the year, like 9 months ago, that s true any nobody is taking that away from him. 12 months ago he was still regularly losing even to EU players. Nobody was saying Serral is the best player last year. Nobody was saying it in february 2018, not many would have said he s even the best foreigner, having won just one WCS, although his play started to look very good. After he got his revenge on Classic at the 3rd place match at IEM did he start to look like he's in competition for the nr 1 spot, then he kept sweeping WCS and won GSL vs the world. That s where the hype train went out of the station, and he did deliver at Blizzcon, much to our joy. Champions dont pop out randomly out of the blue sky. You need to get so good that you can tango with the best. Then you need to get that offline experience, that big money, on stage experience when the stakes are the highest. And when you can win even in those conditions comes the next phase when everyone acknowledges you as the real threat, and they specifically prepare to take you down, you have a big ass red X mark on your head. And if you can win at the highest level with the highest stakes even so, and convincingly so, that s when you're the best. So great, Maru beat him when he was on his path to ascend. Good for him, go and watch that vod if you get so much out of it. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On November 06 2018 02:51 Sphairos wrote: But my man ... Life was a cheater -- we don't know which games were fixed and how... Serral also has been much more consistent than Life : Serral has won almost everything important this year, Life got himself only a GSL and World Cup, and it was like in 5 month. Actually, I would not have been surprized , if Serral beat Life the same way he beat Rogue and Dark -- like they were diamond or smth. I ve been Serral's fan for over 5 years, I was startled by his uncanny smooth and clean performances first time I saw him play (even though he lost then). I ve seen him live a couple of times : I remember at Dreamhack Leipzig I observed him and his mates (Welmu and someone else) talk , fool around etc. It was then when I first started to think , that there is something "not normal" about his mind -- meaning , "above normal". He is super friendly and down to earth, like your good ol buddy next door, but when he starts to play , he's doing something different... How come these 2 things get along in him so smoothly? ... To me it's something extraordinary. It's a pure talent. Then, I wonder, how does (or will) that extraordinary talent translate into other areas of human activity -- like, math, programming, business etc. Well first saying that Serral beat Rogue or Dark like they were diamond is ridiculous, sure he his better then them, but it was still two very hard fought series. But my point was that Life was one of SC2 great winning tournament consistly for all of his career (also he only ever lost game out of match fixing, not won them), now maybe it's less impressive then what Serral did but it's not the point. The point is that Life managed to make every bad decision, burn hundreds of thousand of US dollars and got caught cheating fairly easily. He wasn't some kind of mastermind,in fact he acted like an idiot outside of game, but he was still one heck of a Starcraft player. Being good at Starcraft, or any other sports like activity, doesn't mean you are a "genius" if such a thing exist, it just mean you are very very good at this one thing which you worked very hard at. Now of course there's skills and work ethics you acquire doing that, that can be very useful in other activities. | ||
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