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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
November 05 2018 08:56 GMT
#101
as said here, it's true that serral's win will be more impressive in the future years, when will we look back at it

based serral, it's impressive how when it click, then bam things happens

serral understood something that he missed, and this little thing made him makes the impossible
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ReditusSum
Profile Joined September 2018
79 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-05 08:57:57
November 05 2018 08:56 GMT
#102
On November 05 2018 17:49 SlammerIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2018 14:34 ReditusSum wrote:
On November 05 2018 08:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 05 2018 08:34 ReditusSum wrote:
On November 05 2018 05:02 Dave4 wrote:
6 Premier victories in one calendar year. And he can still make it 7.

Absolutely Savage.


Poll: Serral's place in SC2 History (following BlizzCon Victory)

Best Player of 2018 (485)
 
63%

Best foreigner of 2018 (128)
 
17%

GOAT (106)
 
14%

Best Zerg of 2018 (26)
 
3%

Noob foreigner (23)
 
3%

768 total votes

Your vote: Serral's place in SC2 History (following BlizzCon Victory)

(Vote): Best foreigner of 2018
(Vote): Best Zerg of 2018
(Vote): Best Player of 2018
(Vote): GOAT
(Vote): Noob foreigner




He is a beast and all those wins are crazy, but three consecutive GSLs is still more impressive for me. Best Foreigner of All Time and Current Best Zerg (possibly in the running for best all time) but best player? Nah, still Maru.

I sucks to be Maru right now. Any other year in SC2 history winning all 3 GSLs would cement you as best player no questions asked, but now Serral throws some doubt on that.

Well.. now that I'm looking at Serral's actual tournament wins, his run looks much less impressive. Obviously he gets props for winning the World Championship, but Maru is far, far ahead in my opinion. Maru won tournaments against objectively better opponents, Serral won the big, subjective story-line.


As impressive as Maru was I think Serral was more impressive. Serral won two tournaments filled with top tier koreans in addition to four!! Straight WCS events. As good as Maru was this year it is undeniable that Maru failed to win several key matches, notably at GSL vs the World and Blizzcon. I don't think it is fair to call Maru the better player when he failed to defeat Serral on the latest patch. You can argue 3 GSl is impressive but I would say that the caliber of players that Serral defeated at Blizzcon and GSL are about equal and the 4 WCS match at least 1 GSL.

That's fair. Until they actually play each other it really is just opinion. Serral had a hell of a year and is a great World Champ. He earned the respect he's getting. I'll be excited to see how everyone does next year.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2750 Posts
November 05 2018 09:23 GMT
#103
On November 05 2018 09:01 Boucot wrote:
After one year and a half of not watching any SC2 I decided to watch the WCS Global Finals because I missed it. I enjoyed it last week even though I expected better games. Friday night was a lot better with very good quarterfinals. So I was pumped for the final four. And then my internet fell. I managed to avoid the spoilers but had to wait until this afternoon to watch the VODs. And then my internet feel again. At 3-2 during the final. Asshole. So of course I'm a bit disappointed not having been able to witness such a historic moment live but I'm still extremely glad about getting back on the SC2 train.

The games displayed by Serral, Rogue and Stats (well, not Stats vs sOs, that was a stomp) have left me speechless, the game 4 of Rogue-Serral especially was absolutely insane. ZvZ has improved so much over the years, it reminded by of the famous TaeJa-INnoVation, the masterpiece of TvT (one of at least). And the last game of the final was extraordinary as well, both players played SO WELL, the multitasking required was incredible.

Congratulations to Serral ! The first time I watched him it was during a DreamHack where he lost 2-0 to SuperNoVa while playing already far better than the score made it believe. And he was 15. I knew he had potential but I never imagined he could go beyond what any foreigner has ever done on SC2 (or SC1). He has everything : the talent, the work ethic and an incredible mental strength.

What a win. I'm really looking forward to the HomeStory Cup and more generally to what 2019 will reserve for us. StarCraft II is great !


You should watch the sixth game between reynor and serral in the last wcs finals, it was so freaking tense.
vyzion87
Profile Joined July 2018
17 Posts
November 05 2018 09:32 GMT
#104
I love this game. I love Serral. He's injected a lot of renewed interest for many people as the strongest foreigner (or even player) for 2018. I hope this drives more global interest to the game and that blizzard's region lock goals pan out. A foreigner winning blizzcon was probably a mere hope, but it actually happened!
Olsen_no
Profile Joined November 2018
3 Posts
November 05 2018 09:38 GMT
#105
He is the world champ... thats not an opinion, its a fact. If Serral would have lost to Stats then you could have some sort of reson to argue the way you are.

When he manages to do with the Koreans like Serral has done over 2 tournaments now, from playing only outside of South Korea, just makes it even more impressive. His skill level just looks to be better right now.

To the people saying "zerg will get nerfed... he just won on this patch..blabla". Its not like he is abusing a single unit to death. If they nerf zerg the way some ppl "hope" they will... you wont see any zergs qualify period.









Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
November 05 2018 10:37 GMT
#106
This became instantly favourite SC2 esports moment, just watching a man step into the cape that we've been fitting for him for a year now with such ease and comfort. So often have the great favourites fallen (korean or not) and foreign hopes faded away, but this was something else. It to some extent looked like Serral wasn't even brought to the edge yet, that he could be even better if someone could push him further.
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-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1215 Posts
November 05 2018 11:20 GMT
#107
"Full foreigner" is dead - long live Serral! Congratulations on such an incredible performance!
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Zephyp
Profile Joined April 2013
238 Posts
November 05 2018 11:37 GMT
#108
Awesome tournament and run by Serral! He played so damn well. He didn't win by early pools or build orders, he just played really well and reacted to what was thrown at him-

Marwho?

Nah, Maru lost to a very tricky opponent, but it seems to me Maru wins more often from build orders and surprises than Serral. Too bad we didn't get the Maru vs Serral final, but the match vs Stats was pretty good.

Go Finland!
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
November 05 2018 12:13 GMT
#109
On November 05 2018 11:41 Xain0n wrote:
So were korean fans and pros giving Serral more credit than the average TL user?
Was Maru expected to win? What do they say about his anticlimatic loss?

Here are some reactions. Generally very appreciating, only trashtalk seems to be aimed towards his signature.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/9u0s8c/korean_reaction_to_serrals_victory/
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fx9
Profile Joined November 2013
117 Posts
November 05 2018 12:21 GMT
#110
On November 05 2018 08:12 CaptainBurnTurn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2018 05:07 Serimek wrote:
On November 05 2018 04:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 05 2018 04:41 Incognoto wrote:
Did Serral just basically win everything he entered this year lol? so impressive

He didn't win everything but he got more firsts than not-firsts.

[image loading]


No loss in Premier since April then? Did anyone achieve such a period of invincibility before?


Yeah, Life won five tournaments in a span of five months. Plus had multiple top four finishes and finals over the course of 15 months including that. It's really close, but Serral's dominance just barely edges it
Edit: Life is banned so no.


But but Life can give games away and still win a series, that’s bonjwa.
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
November 05 2018 12:23 GMT
#111
Serrals level of play rocked my socks off, best player in the world and best player of 2018. Its hard to argue anything else even though I'm the biggest Maru fan. We will see, maybe this was where Maru stumbled on the precipe of goat, watched Serral snatch world champion and pershaps go on to dominate 2019 and claim goat himself.

It will be hard to rate Serrals level next year compared to the koreans since he so rarely plays them but he proven his class and potential beyond any doubt.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
dominikm86
Profile Joined November 2018
1 Post
November 05 2018 12:58 GMT
#112
Serral is the Eminem of SC2.
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil268 Posts
November 05 2018 13:14 GMT
#113
On November 05 2018 21:58 dominikm86 wrote:
Serral is the Eminem of SC2.


Best comment
cheloman
Profile Joined June 2014
Argentina4 Posts
November 05 2018 13:37 GMT
#114
Congratulations Serral.... Beatiful played!
Colouss
Profile Joined November 2013
United States501 Posts
November 05 2018 13:55 GMT
#115
His viper control and lurker positioning was so damn good in the late game. I'm fairly sure that's what won him those late games
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deltahf
Profile Joined November 2018
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-05 15:08:23
November 05 2018 13:58 GMT
#116
Well deserved for serral, without a question best zerg and foreigner of the year. I really hope he will go to the gsl to raise the competition even higher.
edit: best foreigner of history
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-05 14:40:47
November 05 2018 14:38 GMT
#117
On November 05 2018 21:58 dominikm86 wrote:
Serral is the Eminem of SC2.

Now I want an sc2 gods poster, rap gods style.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15972 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-05 15:13:12
November 05 2018 15:09 GMT
#118
On November 05 2018 14:34 ReditusSum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2018 08:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 05 2018 08:34 ReditusSum wrote:
On November 05 2018 05:02 Dave4 wrote:
6 Premier victories in one calendar year. And he can still make it 7.

Absolutely Savage.


Poll: Serral's place in SC2 History (following BlizzCon Victory)

Best Player of 2018 (485)
 
63%

Best foreigner of 2018 (128)
 
17%

GOAT (106)
 
14%

Best Zerg of 2018 (26)
 
3%

Noob foreigner (23)
 
3%

768 total votes

Your vote: Serral's place in SC2 History (following BlizzCon Victory)

(Vote): Best foreigner of 2018
(Vote): Best Zerg of 2018
(Vote): Best Player of 2018
(Vote): GOAT
(Vote): Noob foreigner




He is a beast and all those wins are crazy, but three consecutive GSLs is still more impressive for me. Best Foreigner of All Time and Current Best Zerg (possibly in the running for best all time) but best player? Nah, still Maru.

I sucks to be Maru right now. Any other year in SC2 history winning all 3 GSLs would cement you as best player no questions asked, but now Serral throws some doubt on that.

Well.. now that I'm looking at Serral's actual tournament wins, his run looks much less impressive. Obviously he gets props for winning the World Championship, but Maru is far, far ahead in my opinion. Maru won tournaments against objectively better opponents, Serral won the big, subjective story-line.

Nah, winning 3 GSLs is nothing. If Serral had competed in GSL Maru would have won 0 GSLs. WCS is harder than GSL anyway (Serral dropped more maps vs Scarlett, Lambo and Reynor than vs top koreans at blizzcon)
So Serral won 4 tournaments harder than the GSL and on top of that GSLvsTW and Blizzcon. No series dropped in 9 months.
Definitely GOAT and bonjwa now. But keep denying it korean elitists. So funny to see the haters doing mental gymnastics to discredit his win.

It's good that Maru got eliminated early. Serral would have demolished him in 15 minutes. He's just on another level than any player ever was.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 05 2018 15:12 GMT
#119
On November 06 2018 00:09 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2018 14:34 ReditusSum wrote:
On November 05 2018 08:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 05 2018 08:34 ReditusSum wrote:
On November 05 2018 05:02 Dave4 wrote:
6 Premier victories in one calendar year. And he can still make it 7.

Absolutely Savage.


Poll: Serral's place in SC2 History (following BlizzCon Victory)

Best Player of 2018 (485)
 
63%

Best foreigner of 2018 (128)
 
17%

GOAT (106)
 
14%

Best Zerg of 2018 (26)
 
3%

Noob foreigner (23)
 
3%

768 total votes

Your vote: Serral's place in SC2 History (following BlizzCon Victory)

(Vote): Best foreigner of 2018
(Vote): Best Zerg of 2018
(Vote): Best Player of 2018
(Vote): GOAT
(Vote): Noob foreigner




He is a beast and all those wins are crazy, but three consecutive GSLs is still more impressive for me. Best Foreigner of All Time and Current Best Zerg (possibly in the running for best all time) but best player? Nah, still Maru.

I sucks to be Maru right now. Any other year in SC2 history winning all 3 GSLs would cement you as best player no questions asked, but now Serral throws some doubt on that.

Well.. now that I'm looking at Serral's actual tournament wins, his run looks much less impressive. Obviously he gets props for winning the World Championship, but Maru is far, far ahead in my opinion. Maru won tournaments against objectively better opponents, Serral won the big, subjective story-line.

Nah, winning 3 GSLs is nothing. If Serral had competed in GSL Maru would have won 0 GSLs. WCS is harder than GSL anyway (Serral dropped more maps vs Scarlett, Lambo and Reynor than vs top koreans at blizzcon)
So Serral won 4 tournaments harder than the GSL and on top of that GSLvsTW and Blizzcon. No series dropped in 9 months.
Definitely GOAT and bonjwa now. But keep denying it korean elitists. So funny to see the haters doing mental gymnastics to discredit his win.

Don't forget that he won his match vs maru in the team competition at gsl vs the world as well, that might have been the most impressive teamleague performance ever, definitely a contestant for the teamleague goat title and therefore overall goat is a given.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15972 Posts
November 05 2018 15:15 GMT
#120
On November 06 2018 00:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 00:09 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 05 2018 14:34 ReditusSum wrote:
On November 05 2018 08:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 05 2018 08:34 ReditusSum wrote:
On November 05 2018 05:02 Dave4 wrote:
6 Premier victories in one calendar year. And he can still make it 7.

Absolutely Savage.


Poll: Serral's place in SC2 History (following BlizzCon Victory)

Best Player of 2018 (485)
 
63%

Best foreigner of 2018 (128)
 
17%

GOAT (106)
 
14%

Best Zerg of 2018 (26)
 
3%

Noob foreigner (23)
 
3%

768 total votes

Your vote: Serral's place in SC2 History (following BlizzCon Victory)

(Vote): Best foreigner of 2018
(Vote): Best Zerg of 2018
(Vote): Best Player of 2018
(Vote): GOAT
(Vote): Noob foreigner




He is a beast and all those wins are crazy, but three consecutive GSLs is still more impressive for me. Best Foreigner of All Time and Current Best Zerg (possibly in the running for best all time) but best player? Nah, still Maru.

I sucks to be Maru right now. Any other year in SC2 history winning all 3 GSLs would cement you as best player no questions asked, but now Serral throws some doubt on that.

Well.. now that I'm looking at Serral's actual tournament wins, his run looks much less impressive. Obviously he gets props for winning the World Championship, but Maru is far, far ahead in my opinion. Maru won tournaments against objectively better opponents, Serral won the big, subjective story-line.

Nah, winning 3 GSLs is nothing. If Serral had competed in GSL Maru would have won 0 GSLs. WCS is harder than GSL anyway (Serral dropped more maps vs Scarlett, Lambo and Reynor than vs top koreans at blizzcon)
So Serral won 4 tournaments harder than the GSL and on top of that GSLvsTW and Blizzcon. No series dropped in 9 months.
Definitely GOAT and bonjwa now. But keep denying it korean elitists. So funny to see the haters doing mental gymnastics to discredit his win.

Don't forget that he won his match vs maru in the team competition at gsl vs the world as well, that might have been the most impressive teamleague performance ever, definitely a contestant for the teamleague goat title and therefore overall goat is a given.

Oh yeah that too. That's a 100% winrate compared to Maru's 85% winrate in 2016 Proleague so he beats him in that aspect too.
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