EPTMaru's Place in GSL History - Page 7
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On October 18 2018 04:31 IshinShishi wrote: The top dogs from bw were not good, flash wasn't good, jd wasn't good, the elephant article is just flat out wrong, Mvp is still the smartest sc2 player to ever touch the game. The top dogs at the point the article was written were not that good in sc2. The soon-to-be top dogs ended up dominating sc2. The writer just assumed for some reason that flash and jd would keep winning forever but they would've been probably surpassed by the new generation anyway even if the switch didn't happen. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On October 18 2018 05:00 Charoisaur wrote: The top dogs at the point the article was written were not that good in sc2. The soon-to-be top dogs ended up dominating sc2. The writer just assumed for some reason that flash and jd would keep winning forever but they would've been probably surpassed by the new generation anyway even if the switch didn't happen. Do you even watch bw? Flash was never surpassed, he is still the best by a mile. | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
On October 18 2018 04:31 IshinShishi wrote: The top dogs from bw were not good, flash wasn't good, jd wasn't good, the elephant article is just flat out wrong, Mvp is still the smartest sc2 player to ever touch the game. What? JD and Flash weren't bad at all. They did quite well. Of course they didn't went godmode again but they competed on a top level. This being said the "elephant in the room"-expectation did only fulfill to some extent. The likes of Rain, Inno, Soulkey, sOs, soO, Classic all showed dominance for some time. But there almost always was a similar amount of esf-players who where able to do the same. Taeja, Parting, Life (!), Maru, Byun, Dream, Dark, Byul... | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On October 18 2018 06:19 fronkschnonk wrote: What? JD and Flash weren't bad at all. They did quite well. Of course they didn't went godmode again but they competed on a top level. This being said the "elephant in the room"-expectation did only fulfill to some extent. The likes of Rain, Inno, Soulkey, sOs, soO, Classic all showed dominance for some time. But there almost always was a similar amount of esf-players who where able to do the same. Taeja, Parting, Life (!), Maru, Byun, Dream, Dark, Byul... Dream and Dark are ESF players? | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Well..,if you want to get technical, Dark was on Slayers before Kespa arrived which wasn't a part of esf from what I recall. He wasn't an Elephant though. Here's some rare footage of him going up against Taeja while still on Slayers: + Show Spoiler + Dream was on MVP way back in the day before Kespa's arrival. He first started to get on the radar when he eliminated Rain from code A and made it to the finals of IEM Katowice 2013 (where he stomped PartinG along the way and played an amazing series against First). Speaking of Dream, I'd imagine his miltary service should be up soon. Hope he returns as he was quite young much like Maru and surely still has many years left in him. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On October 18 2018 05:28 IshinShishi wrote: Do you even watch bw? Flash was never surpassed, he is still the best by a mile. read: "surpassed by the new generation". There isn't a new generation in BW. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On October 18 2018 06:19 fronkschnonk wrote: What? JD and Flash weren't bad at all. They did quite well. Of course they didn't went godmode again but they competed on a top level. This being said the "elephant in the room"-expectation did only fulfill to some extent. The likes of Rain, Inno, Soulkey, sOs, soO, Classic all showed dominance for some time. But there almost always was a similar amount of esf-players who where able to do the same. Taeja, Parting, Life (!), Maru, Byun, Dream, Dark, Byul... TaeJa only had success in foreign tournaments, Dark only became good after years on a Kespa team so he's not really an argument for the skill level being just as high Pre-Kespa switch. Dream, ByuN and ByuL had a few strong runs but couldn't keep it up. PartinG, Life and Maru were like the only esf players who were regularly able to compete with the top Kespa players. on the other hand there's a long list of players who went from championship contenters to at best gatekeepers after the Kespa switch like Leenock, Creator, Marineking or DRG. | ||
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dummy1
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
On October 18 2018 08:07 Charoisaur wrote: TaeJa only had success in foreign tournaments, Dark only became good after years on a Kespa team so he's not really an argument for the skill level being just as high Pre-Kespa switch. Dream, ByuN and ByuL had a few strong runs but couldn't keep it up. PartinG, Life and Maru were like the only esf players who were regularly able to compete with the top Kespa players. on the other hand there's a long list of players who went from championship contenters to at best gatekeepers after the Kespa switch like Leenock, Creator, Marineking or DRG. I'm not saying that there was no impact at all. But it's just plainly wrong to say that pre-kespa SC2 champions were only the guys who couldn't make it in Broodwar. For Taeja: he was successful against top korean competition again and again - including many top tier kespa players. For Dark: it doesn't matter when Dark became good. He is a proof that being an pre-kespa player doesn't say anything about one's skill potential. That kespa was far better off infrastructurally and financially is not the point of this discussion. Dream was great and probably would've gotten back to the top if kespa teams didn't disband. He had a hard time transitioning to LotV but was on an upswing again, but then SKT1 was no more which he obviously wasn't able to cope with. Let's take a look at the kespa greats: They aren't that stable all together either. soO, Inno and sOs are slumping for quite some time now. Soulkey faded away until he transitioned back to Broodwar. Rogue is also not doing great these days. The only stable right now are Classic, Zest and TY. | ||
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