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On August 07 2018 05:13 IshinShishi wrote:
Maru's 2018 has been as dominant with much stronger competition, I wouldn't dream of putting Serral above him, but a top 5 PR def seems fitting.
I wouldnt dream of putting Serral above Maru either, but for 1 day he was. And i'm pretty sure that over the past couple years, in head to head they're even. He's at the very least on their level atm
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On August 07 2018 09:14 billynasty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2018 05:13 IshinShishi wrote:
Maru's 2018 has been as dominant with much stronger competition, I wouldn't dream of putting Serral above him, but a top 5 PR def seems fitting. And i'm pretty sure that over the past couple years, in head to head they're even. He's at the very least on their level atm
They've only met twice. Once at WeSG a few months ago where maru won 3-0, and once yesterday in the team showmatch where Serral won 1-0.
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On August 07 2018 10:16 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2018 09:14 billynasty wrote:On August 07 2018 05:13 IshinShishi wrote:
Maru's 2018 has been as dominant with much stronger competition, I wouldn't dream of putting Serral above him, but a top 5 PR def seems fitting. And i'm pretty sure that over the past couple years, in head to head they're even. He's at the very least on their level atm They've only met twice. Once at WeSG a few months ago where maru won 3-0, and once yesterday in the team showmatch where Serral won 1-0.
According to Aligulac on 01/22/2018 during the IEM Season XII World Championship it says Serral won 2-0 vs Maru.
I didn't think they met but then i saw this, guess Aligulac isn't always accurate?
Heres's a screenshot of it: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/pzubOHo.png)
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oh yeah that online qualifier..... Tbh I am the first memeing about how people making funny excuses of why some koreans lose to foreigners, specially in the past (ping,jetlag, not caring etc etc) but all memes have a foundation of true and Korea to EU server ping is this one. It is seriously unplayable.
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All that extra hard work had certainly paid off for the finnish. Congratulations!
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On August 07 2018 10:53 billynasty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2018 10:16 Fango wrote:On August 07 2018 09:14 billynasty wrote:On August 07 2018 05:13 IshinShishi wrote:
Maru's 2018 has been as dominant with much stronger competition, I wouldn't dream of putting Serral above him, but a top 5 PR def seems fitting. And i'm pretty sure that over the past couple years, in head to head they're even. He's at the very least on their level atm They've only met twice. Once at WeSG a few months ago where maru won 3-0, and once yesterday in the team showmatch where Serral won 1-0. According to Aligulac on 01/22/2018 during the IEM Season XII World Championship it says Serral won 2-0 vs Maru. I didn't think they met but then i saw this, guess Aligulac isn't always accurate? Heres's a screenshot of it:
The problem is that aligulac takes into account every game played to the same degree, regardless of the circumstance of the match. When Serral won 2-0 it was on the EU server, with Maru playing from korea. The ping playing from kr to eu is ridiculous, to the point where you can't expect to win playing from kr. That's why no one takes those kind of cross-server results seriously.
Only Maru and I think Trap even tried to play in that qualifier, the rest deemed it unwinnable. Hell I'm not close to the speed of pro players and I find 200-300 ping unplayable.
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On August 07 2018 02:03 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2018 00:58 uummpaa wrote:On August 06 2018 23:02 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 22:21 uummpaa wrote:On August 06 2018 22:06 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 19:19 Drake wrote:On August 06 2018 00:01 Riner1212 wrote:
I have to congratulate serial for displaying great perseverance/prowess to win the tournament, but winning one tournament does not make him a god. expect he won his last 4 tournaments .. He won IEM Katowice and WeSG? right he was only top4 in those, so he just won the last three tournaments he entered, which shouldn't change the point to much i presume No but are wcs wins really that valuble? The guy said winning one event doesn't make you a god, which is true. So I'd assume winning easy events doesn't either. "easy", i see so far scarlett took more series from serral than dark in the last b05, but i'm sure that means nothing as well. by the way, why was there never a korean that dominated that hard outside of korea, neither polt, nor hydra where close to the consistency of serral (or are they not so good as well anymore?) but it´s pointless anyway, i see serral eye to eye with top koreans, the fact that he beats them in a game called sc2 is enough for me. if you are willing to change or reinterpret anything but the natural laws themself too not change the "korea > rest" idea, all power to you Scarlett taking two maps of Serral was literally a 1 in 20 result. It's probably the only time Serral's been on match point all year. Wcs tournaments are easy for Serral. They'd be just easy for the top koreans as well (exampes being WeSG and Katowice). Don't make the mistake of cherry picking the results that favour your view and not looking at the tournaments as a whole. You seem to think I'm trying to downplay Serral's skill, which isn't true. He's on the same level as top koerans. What I'm trying to say is that wcs events aren't much of a challenge for him, and the level of play in them isn't close to that of korean events. I couldn't care less if he farms 3, 4, or even 10 of them. It's like when SpeCial farms the latin american events, doesn't say anything about how he'll be in the global tournaments. And btw, koreans like Polt and Hydra were not on the same level as those who dominated in korea like Maru or Dark either.
scarlett is also the last non-korean to bet him offline iirc
speaking of cherrypicking:
this works not only for players but for tournaments:
serrals looses vs classic in IEM -> shows that classic was to good
serral beats classic in WESG -> there wasn't enough on the line for classic, if he would played seriously bla bla...
serral wins 3 WCS in dominating fashion -> easy, every top korean can do taht (even though non ever done it)
maru wins 2 GSL -> amazing, nobody can come close to him, if serral was in korea he would not come close
serral comes to korea and beats a top player of every race -> meh, it wasn't a GSL so it doesn't count or sth about recent form of the players.
i just looked at the two GSLs maru won, and tbh he never hat to beat more than 2-3 "top" players (players like solar are surley not rated higher than polt for example).
I bet if serral would have won the exact same matches (which we now all no he can possibly) people would downplay that as well i'm sure.
if serral would win a blizzcon, IEM WC or a GSL, people would still pick the cherries there as well, and if he loses them, (which surley is the more likely event), it proves, that it was all hype ...
but as i already said:
some people will never change their opinion on something, no matter what happens, it's one of the banes of internet discussion
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On August 07 2018 14:10 uummpaa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2018 02:03 Fango wrote:On August 07 2018 00:58 uummpaa wrote:On August 06 2018 23:02 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 22:21 uummpaa wrote:On August 06 2018 22:06 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 19:19 Drake wrote:On August 06 2018 00:01 Riner1212 wrote:
I have to congratulate serial for displaying great perseverance/prowess to win the tournament, but winning one tournament does not make him a god. expect he won his last 4 tournaments .. He won IEM Katowice and WeSG? right he was only top4 in those, so he just won the last three tournaments he entered, which shouldn't change the point to much i presume No but are wcs wins really that valuble? The guy said winning one event doesn't make you a god, which is true. So I'd assume winning easy events doesn't either. "easy", i see so far scarlett took more series from serral than dark in the last b05, but i'm sure that means nothing as well. by the way, why was there never a korean that dominated that hard outside of korea, neither polt, nor hydra where close to the consistency of serral (or are they not so good as well anymore?) but it´s pointless anyway, i see serral eye to eye with top koreans, the fact that he beats them in a game called sc2 is enough for me. if you are willing to change or reinterpret anything but the natural laws themself too not change the "korea > rest" idea, all power to you Scarlett taking two maps of Serral was literally a 1 in 20 result. It's probably the only time Serral's been on match point all year. Wcs tournaments are easy for Serral. They'd be just easy for the top koreans as well (exampes being WeSG and Katowice). Don't make the mistake of cherry picking the results that favour your view and not looking at the tournaments as a whole. You seem to think I'm trying to downplay Serral's skill, which isn't true. He's on the same level as top koerans. What I'm trying to say is that wcs events aren't much of a challenge for him, and the level of play in them isn't close to that of korean events. I couldn't care less if he farms 3, 4, or even 10 of them. It's like when SpeCial farms the latin american events, doesn't say anything about how he'll be in the global tournaments. And btw, koreans like Polt and Hydra were not on the same level as those who dominated in korea like Maru or Dark either. scarlett is also the last non-korean to bet him offline iirc speaking of cherrypicking: this works not only for players but for tournaments: serrals looses vs classic in IEM -> shows that classic was to good serral beats classic in WESG -> there wasn't enough on the line for classic, if he would played seriously bla bla... serral wins 3 WCS in dominating fashion -> easy, every top korean can do taht (even though non ever done it) maru wins 2 GSL -> amazing, nobody can come close to him, if serral was in korea he would not come close serral comes to korea and beats a top player of every race -> meh, it wasn't a GSL so it doesn't count or sth about recent form of the players. i just looked at the two GSLs maru won, and tbh he never hat to beat more than 2-3 "top" players (players like solar are surley not rated higher than polt for example). I bet if serral would have won the exact same matches (which we now all no he can possibly) people would downplay that as well i'm sure. if serral would win a blizzcon, IEM WC or a GSL, people would still pick the cherries there as well, and if he loses them, (which surley is the more likely event), it proves, that it was all hype ... but as i already said: some people will never change their opinion on something, no matter what happens, it's one of the banes of internet discussion
The bane of humans. Only time and results will tell.
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On August 07 2018 14:56 vyzion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2018 14:10 uummpaa wrote:On August 07 2018 02:03 Fango wrote:On August 07 2018 00:58 uummpaa wrote:On August 06 2018 23:02 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 22:21 uummpaa wrote:On August 06 2018 22:06 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 19:19 Drake wrote:On August 06 2018 00:01 Riner1212 wrote:
I have to congratulate serial for displaying great perseverance/prowess to win the tournament, but winning one tournament does not make him a god. expect he won his last 4 tournaments .. He won IEM Katowice and WeSG? right he was only top4 in those, so he just won the last three tournaments he entered, which shouldn't change the point to much i presume No but are wcs wins really that valuble? The guy said winning one event doesn't make you a god, which is true. So I'd assume winning easy events doesn't either. "easy", i see so far scarlett took more series from serral than dark in the last b05, but i'm sure that means nothing as well. by the way, why was there never a korean that dominated that hard outside of korea, neither polt, nor hydra where close to the consistency of serral (or are they not so good as well anymore?) but it´s pointless anyway, i see serral eye to eye with top koreans, the fact that he beats them in a game called sc2 is enough for me. if you are willing to change or reinterpret anything but the natural laws themself too not change the "korea > rest" idea, all power to you Scarlett taking two maps of Serral was literally a 1 in 20 result. It's probably the only time Serral's been on match point all year. Wcs tournaments are easy for Serral. They'd be just easy for the top koreans as well (exampes being WeSG and Katowice). Don't make the mistake of cherry picking the results that favour your view and not looking at the tournaments as a whole. You seem to think I'm trying to downplay Serral's skill, which isn't true. He's on the same level as top koerans. What I'm trying to say is that wcs events aren't much of a challenge for him, and the level of play in them isn't close to that of korean events. I couldn't care less if he farms 3, 4, or even 10 of them. It's like when SpeCial farms the latin american events, doesn't say anything about how he'll be in the global tournaments. And btw, koreans like Polt and Hydra were not on the same level as those who dominated in korea like Maru or Dark either. scarlett is also the last non-korean to bet him offline iirc speaking of cherrypicking: this works not only for players but for tournaments: serrals looses vs classic in IEM -> shows that classic was to good serral beats classic in WESG -> there wasn't enough on the line for classic, if he would played seriously bla bla... serral wins 3 WCS in dominating fashion -> easy, every top korean can do taht (even though non ever done it) maru wins 2 GSL -> amazing, nobody can come close to him, if serral was in korea he would not come close serral comes to korea and beats a top player of every race -> meh, it wasn't a GSL so it doesn't count or sth about recent form of the players. i just looked at the two GSLs maru won, and tbh he never hat to beat more than 2-3 "top" players (players like solar are surley not rated higher than polt for example). I bet if serral would have won the exact same matches (which we now all no he can possibly) people would downplay that as well i'm sure. if serral would win a blizzcon, IEM WC or a GSL, people would still pick the cherries there as well, and if he loses them, (which surley is the more likely event), it proves, that it was all hype ... but as i already said: some people will never change their opinion on something, no matter what happens, it's one of the banes of internet discussion The bane of humans. Only time and results will tell.
the entire discussion here is about which results do tell and which don't ^^
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So that's what an Ro16 GSL looks in 2018? 50% foreigners? Doesn't look like Korean domination to me at all, considering this tournament is held offline in Korea over a longer period (not just a weekend) so you have to live there. I haven't paid much attention to the SC2 scene over the past few years but this is pretty surprising considering everytime I read an SC2 there was a discussion about Koreans being to dominant etc.
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On August 07 2018 15:27 Miragee wrote:
So that's what an Ro16 GSL looks in 2018? 50% foreigners? Doesn't look like Korean domination to me at all, considering this tournament is held offline in Korea over a longer period (not just a weekend) so you have to live there. I haven't paid much attention to the SC2 scene over the past few years but this is pretty surprising considering everytime I read an SC2 there was a discussion about Koreans being to dominant etc.
It's pretty much only Serral at this point, every single foreigner other than him is still getting murdered.
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On August 07 2018 15:12 uummpaa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2018 14:56 vyzion wrote:On August 07 2018 14:10 uummpaa wrote:On August 07 2018 02:03 Fango wrote:On August 07 2018 00:58 uummpaa wrote:On August 06 2018 23:02 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 22:21 uummpaa wrote:On August 06 2018 22:06 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 19:19 Drake wrote:On August 06 2018 00:01 Riner1212 wrote:
I have to congratulate serial for displaying great perseverance/prowess to win the tournament, but winning one tournament does not make him a god. expect he won his last 4 tournaments .. He won IEM Katowice and WeSG? right he was only top4 in those, so he just won the last three tournaments he entered, which shouldn't change the point to much i presume No but are wcs wins really that valuble? The guy said winning one event doesn't make you a god, which is true. So I'd assume winning easy events doesn't either. "easy", i see so far scarlett took more series from serral than dark in the last b05, but i'm sure that means nothing as well. by the way, why was there never a korean that dominated that hard outside of korea, neither polt, nor hydra where close to the consistency of serral (or are they not so good as well anymore?) but it´s pointless anyway, i see serral eye to eye with top koreans, the fact that he beats them in a game called sc2 is enough for me. if you are willing to change or reinterpret anything but the natural laws themself too not change the "korea > rest" idea, all power to you Scarlett taking two maps of Serral was literally a 1 in 20 result. It's probably the only time Serral's been on match point all year. Wcs tournaments are easy for Serral. They'd be just easy for the top koreans as well (exampes being WeSG and Katowice). Don't make the mistake of cherry picking the results that favour your view and not looking at the tournaments as a whole. You seem to think I'm trying to downplay Serral's skill, which isn't true. He's on the same level as top koerans. What I'm trying to say is that wcs events aren't much of a challenge for him, and the level of play in them isn't close to that of korean events. I couldn't care less if he farms 3, 4, or even 10 of them. It's like when SpeCial farms the latin american events, doesn't say anything about how he'll be in the global tournaments. And btw, koreans like Polt and Hydra were not on the same level as those who dominated in korea like Maru or Dark either. scarlett is also the last non-korean to bet him offline iirc speaking of cherrypicking: this works not only for players but for tournaments: serrals looses vs classic in IEM -> shows that classic was to good serral beats classic in WESG -> there wasn't enough on the line for classic, if he would played seriously bla bla... serral wins 3 WCS in dominating fashion -> easy, every top korean can do taht (even though non ever done it) maru wins 2 GSL -> amazing, nobody can come close to him, if serral was in korea he would not come close serral comes to korea and beats a top player of every race -> meh, it wasn't a GSL so it doesn't count or sth about recent form of the players. i just looked at the two GSLs maru won, and tbh he never hat to beat more than 2-3 "top" players (players like solar are surley not rated higher than polt for example). I bet if serral would have won the exact same matches (which we now all no he can possibly) people would downplay that as well i'm sure. if serral would win a blizzcon, IEM WC or a GSL, people would still pick the cherries there as well, and if he loses them, (which surley is the more likely event), it proves, that it was all hype ... but as i already said: some people will never change their opinion on something, no matter what happens, it's one of the banes of internet discussion The bane of humans. Only time and results will tell. the entire discussion here is about which results do tell and which don't ^^
True, but we need more data!!!
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On August 07 2018 14:10 uummpaa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2018 02:03 Fango wrote:On August 07 2018 00:58 uummpaa wrote:On August 06 2018 23:02 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 22:21 uummpaa wrote:On August 06 2018 22:06 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 19:19 Drake wrote:On August 06 2018 00:01 Riner1212 wrote:
I have to congratulate serial for displaying great perseverance/prowess to win the tournament, but winning one tournament does not make him a god. expect he won his last 4 tournaments .. He won IEM Katowice and WeSG? right he was only top4 in those, so he just won the last three tournaments he entered, which shouldn't change the point to much i presume No but are wcs wins really that valuble? The guy said winning one event doesn't make you a god, which is true. So I'd assume winning easy events doesn't either. "easy", i see so far scarlett took more series from serral than dark in the last b05, but i'm sure that means nothing as well. by the way, why was there never a korean that dominated that hard outside of korea, neither polt, nor hydra where close to the consistency of serral (or are they not so good as well anymore?) but it´s pointless anyway, i see serral eye to eye with top koreans, the fact that he beats them in a game called sc2 is enough for me. if you are willing to change or reinterpret anything but the natural laws themself too not change the "korea > rest" idea, all power to you Scarlett taking two maps of Serral was literally a 1 in 20 result. It's probably the only time Serral's been on match point all year. Wcs tournaments are easy for Serral. They'd be just easy for the top koreans as well (exampes being WeSG and Katowice). Don't make the mistake of cherry picking the results that favour your view and not looking at the tournaments as a whole. You seem to think I'm trying to downplay Serral's skill, which isn't true. He's on the same level as top koerans. What I'm trying to say is that wcs events aren't much of a challenge for him, and the level of play in them isn't close to that of korean events. I couldn't care less if he farms 3, 4, or even 10 of them. It's like when SpeCial farms the latin american events, doesn't say anything about how he'll be in the global tournaments. And btw, koreans like Polt and Hydra were not on the same level as those who dominated in korea like Maru or Dark either. scarlett is also the last non-korean to bet him offline iirc speaking of cherrypicking: this works not only for players but for tournaments: serrals looses vs classic in IEM -> shows that classic was to good serral beats classic in WESG -> there wasn't enough on the line for classic, if he would played seriously bla bla... serral wins 3 WCS in dominating fashion -> easy, every top korean can do taht (even though non ever done it) maru wins 2 GSL -> amazing, nobody can come close to him, if serral was in korea he would not come close serral comes to korea and beats a top player of every race -> meh, it wasn't a GSL so it doesn't count or sth about recent form of the players. i just looked at the two GSLs maru won, and tbh he never hat to beat more than 2-3 "top" players (players like solar are surley not rated higher than polt for example). I bet if serral would have won the exact same matches (which we now all no he can possibly) people would downplay that as well i'm sure. if serral would win a blizzcon, IEM WC or a GSL, people would still pick the cherries there as well, and if he loses them, (which surley is the more likely event), it proves, that it was all hype ... but as i already said: some people will never change their opinion on something, no matter what happens, it's one of the banes of internet discussion
well at least is not called pacthzerg by teamliquid
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On August 07 2018 17:34 Argonauta wrote:
well at least is not called pacthzerg by teamliquid
They got more careful as they know their one-way bias has been revealed loads of times in the past 8 years.
GZ Serral btw.
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On August 07 2018 15:27 Miragee wrote:
So that's what an Ro16 GSL looks in 2018? 50% foreigners? Doesn't look like Korean domination to me at all, considering this tournament is held offline in Korea over a longer period (not just a weekend) so you have to live there. I haven't paid much attention to the SC2 scene over the past few years but this is pretty surprising considering everytime I read an SC2 there was a discussion about Koreans being to dominant etc.
It’s 12.5% foreigners for this GSL in ro16
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On August 07 2018 14:10 uummpaa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2018 02:03 Fango wrote:On August 07 2018 00:58 uummpaa wrote:On August 06 2018 23:02 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 22:21 uummpaa wrote:On August 06 2018 22:06 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 19:19 Drake wrote:On August 06 2018 00:01 Riner1212 wrote:
I have to congratulate serial for displaying great perseverance/prowess to win the tournament, but winning one tournament does not make him a god. expect he won his last 4 tournaments .. He won IEM Katowice and WeSG? right he was only top4 in those, so he just won the last three tournaments he entered, which shouldn't change the point to much i presume No but are wcs wins really that valuble? The guy said winning one event doesn't make you a god, which is true. So I'd assume winning easy events doesn't either. "easy", i see so far scarlett took more series from serral than dark in the last b05, but i'm sure that means nothing as well. by the way, why was there never a korean that dominated that hard outside of korea, neither polt, nor hydra where close to the consistency of serral (or are they not so good as well anymore?) but it´s pointless anyway, i see serral eye to eye with top koreans, the fact that he beats them in a game called sc2 is enough for me. if you are willing to change or reinterpret anything but the natural laws themself too not change the "korea > rest" idea, all power to you Scarlett taking two maps of Serral was literally a 1 in 20 result. It's probably the only time Serral's been on match point all year. Wcs tournaments are easy for Serral. They'd be just easy for the top koreans as well (exampes being WeSG and Katowice). Don't make the mistake of cherry picking the results that favour your view and not looking at the tournaments as a whole. You seem to think I'm trying to downplay Serral's skill, which isn't true. He's on the same level as top koerans. What I'm trying to say is that wcs events aren't much of a challenge for him, and the level of play in them isn't close to that of korean events. I couldn't care less if he farms 3, 4, or even 10 of them. It's like when SpeCial farms the latin american events, doesn't say anything about how he'll be in the global tournaments. And btw, koreans like Polt and Hydra were not on the same level as those who dominated in korea like Maru or Dark either. scarlett is also the last non-korean to bet him offline iirc speaking of cherrypicking: this works not only for players but for tournaments: serrals looses vs classic in IEM -> shows that classic was to good serral beats classic in WESG -> there wasn't enough on the line for classic, if he would played seriously bla bla... serral wins 3 WCS in dominating fashion -> easy, every top korean can do taht (even though non ever done it) maru wins 2 GSL -> amazing, nobody can come close to him, if serral was in korea he would not come close serral comes to korea and beats a top player of every race -> meh, it wasn't a GSL so it doesn't count or sth about recent form of the players. i just looked at the two GSLs maru won, and tbh he never hat to beat more than 2-3 "top" players (players like solar are surley not rated higher than polt for example). I bet if serral would have won the exact same matches (which we now all no he can possibly) people would downplay that as well i'm sure. if serral would win a blizzcon, IEM WC or a GSL, people would still pick the cherries there as well, and if he loses them, (which surley is the more likely event), it proves, that it was all hype ... but as i already said: some people will never change their opinion on something, no matter what happens, it's one of the banes of internet discussion
Now you're just spouting irrelevnt nonsense.
You completely missed the point I was making, which was that wcs wins are easy for Serral, and would be just as easy for any top korean (look at any wesg/katowice events if you don't believe me). You tried to argue that Scarlett taking two maps of him disproves this, which is a a perfect example of cherry picking because it's a 1/20 occurrence.
Then instead of answering, you just rant about excuses and make up a bunch of strawmans you think I've said (which I haven't) or would say in various situations? Good job.
Edit: you actually think that I would downplay Serral if he won two GSLs? Get a grip. GSL is the most competitive tournament in sc2. Serral hasn't done it yet, accept it instead of creating some stupid scenario where "even if he did you'd still make excuses".
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in which esport that winning one invitational tournament makes you the best player in the world ??? Hell no. Serral is on par with top Koreans, yes. But don't do stupid thing like saying he is the best in the world because he gotta do more to deserve that title.
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GSL is the most competitive tournament in sc2.
It might be, but in the end, if you have one or two players who are simply better or at least have a big momentum ... i don't see a big difference. You can argue that there are a bunch of korean top players who are at a similar top level, and that was true for most of the earlier years and seasons ... but this year it's all about Maru regarding GSL, and you can argue that it is (or at least looks) similar easy for maru to win GSL(s) this year as it is for Serral to win WCS(s).
Does this mean GSL and WCS are easy tournaments? Or does it simply mean there are two players in both regions, who are - at least this year! - clearly better then their opponents?
As for GSL ... i don't think it is that much more competitive for ro32 or ro16 than WCS ... maybe after ro4, but before that ... i don't know Kev ...
Serral hasn't done it yet
And here is the point ... why SHOULD he?
He would have to leave his country, going for korea for several months ... maybe he just don't like that?
As far as i remember Maru for example doesn't like to travel either ... so where is the problem?
GSL is a good tournament with very good players, for sure ... but same goes for IEM, WESG and WCS events. And in the end you have things like GSL vs. the world or BlizzCon where you have potentially (i know, GSL v. the world isn't quite there because of the voting system there are also some weeker players in it) the best of all regions ... which is (at least for Blizzcon) far better then any WCS OR GSL Ro16.
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On August 08 2018 00:07 JoFar wrote:As for GSL ... i don't think it is that much more competitive for ro32 or ro16 than WCS ... maybe after ro4, but before that ... i don't know Kev ...
It's not even close. Did you miss IEM katowice? When you put all the best wcs and gsl players in the same event, that's what happens. Serral was the only one competing. Same goes for WeSG, the three koreans and Serral were basically guaranteed to be the top 4.
Most WCS players other than Serral wouldn't be expected to get past ro16 in GSL, most don't make it past ro32. Has even lost in the GSL qualfiiers then made the finals at WCS a couple weeks later. Neeb lost in the qualifiers last year and then won WCS Montreal right after. SpeCial is arguably the second best foreigner of the year, and he's lost 4 times in the ro32 now.
On August 08 2018 00:07 JoFar wrote:
And here is the point ... why SHOULD he?
He would have to leave his country, going for korea for several months ... maybe he just don't like that?
As far as i remember Maru for example doesn't like to travel either ... so where is the problem?
Don't get me wrong, Serral has the right to do whatever he wants. But he hasn't won GSL, let alone twice in a row like Maru. The other guy couldn't seem to accept this and said crap like "well even if he did you'd make excuses", which isn't true. What Maru has done is amazing, it would be no different if Serral, or Leenock, or Classic, or whoever did it.
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On August 07 2018 02:45 Marras wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2018 01:50 Zaros wrote:On August 07 2018 01:39 ThunderJunk wrote:
Well, hasn't Serral been living and training in Korea for at least 4 months now? No, he’s been there a couple of weeks before this event and went for a couple of months at the end of last year he mostly stays and plays in Finland I don't think he even went there weeks before the event, Showtime did. As far as I know Serral just went there for the event and is already back in Finland now.
Yeah. A total of about a week this time, and the last time he went there was 10 months ago for three weeks.
On August 07 2018 03:49 thezanursic wrote:
Haven't been following Starcraft 2, a foreigner at the top of Alegulac winning Korean tournaments with a winrate of 80%.
This doesn't seem right...
And he was actually on top of aligulac from November to May already. After that Serral had to win 25 series straight to get the first place back.
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EPT
