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On August 10 2018 20:58 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2018 15:34 FFW_Rude wrote:
It was more Stats playing weird (His multitasking was awefull) than Serral winning but... That wasn't the case against inno and dark.
Serral played really well in those matches.
Now foreigners still are not on the level of korea. Serral is. Like Naniwa before him, Scarlett at some point or iDra. But that's it for now. Yep. It's statements like these that divide the community and induce anger in people. Sigh.
To be fair, the man has a point in his last few sentences. Remove Serral out the equation and the performance of foreigners was pretty dire. Only three foreigners made it out of the ro16 and Showtime and Special both got absolutely bopped in their quarterfinals matches. The only foreigners other than Serral that come out with any kind of credit are Showtime because he 3-1d Zest and possibly Scarlett due to how close that game with Classic came.
Now GSL vs. The World isn't reflective of everything of course as evidenced by how successful foreigners have been in GSL this year comparatively (Scarlett in the Quarterfinals of Season 1, Neeb and Reynor in the current iteration) but it is the only one of three events in the year where foreigners and koreans play each other en masse (The others being Katowice and Blizzcon, though the case could be made for WESG and Pyeongchang). As such, it has to be the barometer for current foreigner performance and other than Serral it tells a pretty awful tale.
My worry going into Blizzcon is that, other than Serral, which foreigners can we honestly say will make a decent showing? Neeb looks a shadow of himself from last year and even though he is picking up results he doesn't look particularly confident. Special could do what he did last year but he seems to be stuck in a rut as the perennial semi-finalist while seeming to be poor against Koreans at the moment. After a promising start to the year, Scarlett has dropped off quite significantly and a lot of last years hopes e.g. Elazer or Snute are either almost anonymous or significantly diminished. One of the only players that I would currently say looks like he could go toe to toe with the right Korean other than Serral would be Showtime. The other would be Reynor but since he would have to win either WCS Montreal or GSL S3 to qualify that looks like a slim chance though stranger things have happened (looking at you Rogue).
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Just watched the 7 games last night. (I know I am late), but wow. He did not let nerves afflict him. His control and knowledge of the game is surreal!!! (say surreal like Serral). Stats put up a crazy fight. They both did. Just amazing. And I loved how Tastosis were freaking out over the fact it was a game 7 final and the fact that serral is the first non-korean to win a gsl. 8 years of GSL and this has been truly amazing to watch.
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On August 09 2018 06:11 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2018 04:46 deacon.frost wrote:On August 08 2018 17:38 BaneRiders wrote:On August 08 2018 17:05 Jealous wrote:On August 08 2018 15:59 vyzion wrote:On August 08 2018 15:54 JoFar wrote:Never been more angry about region lock Well ... to be honest ... i don't think Serral would have improved like he had without region lock. In my opinion region lock was one of the best decisions blizzard ever made. Of course you can argue that it is unfair GSL hasn't a region lock and WCS circuit has ... but that is GSL's job to "repair" this issue. Without region lock there wouldn't be any real reason for foreigners to try, that's just a fact. Look before the region lock ... most of the times only one or two foreigners made it to a Ro8 of a WCS event. Yeah, koreans have been much better ... big part of that was that they had the much better infrastructure. (state sponsored) KESPA systems with all the teams ... the amount of money players got just for being in such a team, team houses, trainers etc. ... that all was something every non-korean SC player could only dream about. Of course koreans trained more and harder ... but part of the truth is also that they could do and afford that and make a living of it. And for what? Market and viewerships for starcraft 2 in south korea had been decreasing anyways ... Of course it has decreased worldwide also, but right now, as quality of games and tournaments in WCS are getting better and better, it's back increasing, as could be seen clearly in the last WCS stop at Valencia. Foreigner players now can make a living out of it, if they train hard und get to the top. And even the gap between foreigners and korean players is closing ... maybe just slowly, cause korean pro's were simply miles ahead and of course they still improve, too ... but same goes for foreigners now. Anyways, i think Starcraft and the tournament scene is in great shape right now. And big part of that is the region lock. Whatever blizzard may plan for 2019 and later, i just hope they won't change that. I completely agree and I consider region lock a success thus far. To be fair if your measure of success is toppling Goliath by giving him a terminal disease before David was even old enough to sling a stone, then all I can say is that we have different measures of success. I think that if there was no prejudiced system that drained the Korean scene and gave artificial lifeblood to the foreign scene, Koreans would never have lost to foreigners on a stage as big as this one. It's not just that the foreign community was incentivized, it's also that the Korean community was forced to downsize and re-prioritize. In short, I think that the gap has shrunk not only due to the efforts and benefits garnered by foreigners, but also because of the drought that Blizzard forced onto the Korean scene. Foreigners didn't simply rise to the level of Koreans, Koreans' growth had slowed tremendously while foreigners reaped the benefits of greater incentives. Maybe it was the "right" call, but I think it heavily depends on your perspective. I don't think that Blizzard has forced a drought onto the Korean scene though. Blizzard has been pumping in money in the Korean SC2 scene for the last two years, and maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like there are hardly anyone else contributing to it financially or in any other capacity these days. I mean, how many Korean SC2 teams exist today? Look at the Koreans participating in this tournament. 2 are on Jinair, 3 on foreign teams, and 3 without a team. How many Korean tournaments exist where Blizzard is not providing the cash for the price pool? How many Koreans are even watching SC2? I don't follow BW myself, but I can see on TL's list of Live Streams that there is someone called Britney streaming with 6543 (!) viewers. Of course, as I wanted to check out the stream it shows two dudes eating, so maybe this is a combined cooking show plus BW...  ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/C0QdwWi.jpg) It doesn't help when you sign for a tournament and foreigner kicks you out of GSL. That's a closed season for you... think about this. And region lock is implemented by whom? Blizzard ;-) That goes both ways though. I'd say True has won more bucks the last two years in WCS than the combined foreign forces in GSL (not to mention Hydra, Polt etc. competing in EU and NA before). And if you mean that it is closed season because there aren't any other tournaments in Korea, then that is hardly Blizzard's fault. People appears to be busy with BW or other games. If I were Blizzard, looking at the return on my investment, I'd seriously have to consider an immediate closure of sponsoring GSL for 2019 and shift the funds to have a fully global circuit, say 3-4 tourneys in EU (like Germany, Spain, Sweden and Poland or something), 3-4 in North America, 2 in South America and maybe 1 in Korea, China, Australia, and 1 somewhere in South-East Asia (if there is an interesting market there) respectively. 12 big tourneys spread over the year with a final.
Even if I ignore the fact you chose players living in WCS region(which was the fucking point of region lock), and even if I ignore the blatant discrimination(it's not about banning too good players, it's about banning all Koreans, no matter how good or bad are they ... otherwise Serral would be banned in WCS too).
Sure, stop paying GSL, because if any new player appears and is killed by a foreigner, then Blizzard is killing the Korean scene anyway. At least it would be fast and mercifull. All the new names in GSL are foreigners. We have only players moving to BW, moving to other games, retiring completely or going into the army. And mind you - many players ARE old and WILL go into the army "soon"(not in 2019, but certainly soon enough)
The Korean scene is NOT growing. Because there are way too harsh conditions for any growth and you ahve only 1 shot and 1 shot only. If you lose in the qualification for GSL you're out for 3 months and you have to survive that period. Foreigners don't have to solve this dilemma.
WOuld banning foreigners solve this? No, I know it won't!!!! I admitted it severla times!! But it's a step in the right direction.
Edit> And if the region lock is so good as all you people are saying , then why we don't wanna help the Korean scene to grow by using it? Why? Is this some kind of another discrimination against Korea?
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On August 11 2018 02:22 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2018 06:11 BaneRiders wrote:On August 09 2018 04:46 deacon.frost wrote:On August 08 2018 17:38 BaneRiders wrote:On August 08 2018 17:05 Jealous wrote:On August 08 2018 15:59 vyzion wrote:On August 08 2018 15:54 JoFar wrote:Never been more angry about region lock Well ... to be honest ... i don't think Serral would have improved like he had without region lock. In my opinion region lock was one of the best decisions blizzard ever made. Of course you can argue that it is unfair GSL hasn't a region lock and WCS circuit has ... but that is GSL's job to "repair" this issue. Without region lock there wouldn't be any real reason for foreigners to try, that's just a fact. Look before the region lock ... most of the times only one or two foreigners made it to a Ro8 of a WCS event. Yeah, koreans have been much better ... big part of that was that they had the much better infrastructure. (state sponsored) KESPA systems with all the teams ... the amount of money players got just for being in such a team, team houses, trainers etc. ... that all was something every non-korean SC player could only dream about. Of course koreans trained more and harder ... but part of the truth is also that they could do and afford that and make a living of it. And for what? Market and viewerships for starcraft 2 in south korea had been decreasing anyways ... Of course it has decreased worldwide also, but right now, as quality of games and tournaments in WCS are getting better and better, it's back increasing, as could be seen clearly in the last WCS stop at Valencia. Foreigner players now can make a living out of it, if they train hard und get to the top. And even the gap between foreigners and korean players is closing ... maybe just slowly, cause korean pro's were simply miles ahead and of course they still improve, too ... but same goes for foreigners now. Anyways, i think Starcraft and the tournament scene is in great shape right now. And big part of that is the region lock. Whatever blizzard may plan for 2019 and later, i just hope they won't change that. I completely agree and I consider region lock a success thus far. To be fair if your measure of success is toppling Goliath by giving him a terminal disease before David was even old enough to sling a stone, then all I can say is that we have different measures of success. I think that if there was no prejudiced system that drained the Korean scene and gave artificial lifeblood to the foreign scene, Koreans would never have lost to foreigners on a stage as big as this one. It's not just that the foreign community was incentivized, it's also that the Korean community was forced to downsize and re-prioritize. In short, I think that the gap has shrunk not only due to the efforts and benefits garnered by foreigners, but also because of the drought that Blizzard forced onto the Korean scene. Foreigners didn't simply rise to the level of Koreans, Koreans' growth had slowed tremendously while foreigners reaped the benefits of greater incentives. Maybe it was the "right" call, but I think it heavily depends on your perspective. I don't think that Blizzard has forced a drought onto the Korean scene though. Blizzard has been pumping in money in the Korean SC2 scene for the last two years, and maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like there are hardly anyone else contributing to it financially or in any other capacity these days. I mean, how many Korean SC2 teams exist today? Look at the Koreans participating in this tournament. 2 are on Jinair, 3 on foreign teams, and 3 without a team. How many Korean tournaments exist where Blizzard is not providing the cash for the price pool? How many Koreans are even watching SC2? I don't follow BW myself, but I can see on TL's list of Live Streams that there is someone called Britney streaming with 6543 (!) viewers. Of course, as I wanted to check out the stream it shows two dudes eating, so maybe this is a combined cooking show plus BW... It doesn't help when you sign for a tournament and foreigner kicks you out of GSL. That's a closed season for you... think about this. And region lock is implemented by whom? Blizzard ;-) That goes both ways though. I'd say True has won more bucks the last two years in WCS than the combined foreign forces in GSL (not to mention Hydra, Polt etc. competing in EU and NA before). And if you mean that it is closed season because there aren't any other tournaments in Korea, then that is hardly Blizzard's fault. People appears to be busy with BW or other games. If I were Blizzard, looking at the return on my investment, I'd seriously have to consider an immediate closure of sponsoring GSL for 2019 and shift the funds to have a fully global circuit, say 3-4 tourneys in EU (like Germany, Spain, Sweden and Poland or something), 3-4 in North America, 2 in South America and maybe 1 in Korea, China, Australia, and 1 somewhere in South-East Asia (if there is an interesting market there) respectively. 12 big tourneys spread over the year with a final. Even if I ignore the fact you chose players living in WCS region(which was the fucking point of region lock), and even if I ignore the blatant discrimination(it's not about banning too good players, it's about banning all Koreans, no matter how good or bad are they ... otherwise Serral would be banned in WCS too). Sure, stop paying GSL, because if any new player appears and is killed by a foreigner, then Blizzard is killing the Korean scene anyway. At least it would be fast and mercifull. All the new names in GSL are foreigners. We have only players moving to BW, moving to other games, retiring completely or going into the army. And mind you - many players ARE old and WILL go into the army "soon"(not in 2019, but certainly soon enough) The Korean scene is NOT growing. Because there are way too harsh conditions for any growth and you ahve only 1 shot and 1 shot only. If you lose in the qualification for GSL you're out for 3 months and you have to survive that period. Foreigners don't have to solve this dilemma. WOuld banning foreigners solve this? No, I know it won't!!!! I admitted it severla times!! But it's a step in the right direction. Edit> And if the region lock is so good as all you people are saying , then why we don't wanna help the Korean scene to grow by using it? Why? Is this some kind of another discrimination against Korea?
I'm all for regionlock. There is no reason for people who live in one region to play in a different region(aside from greed). Players should just play in their own respective region for WCS and that's it.
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On August 11 2018 01:55 Obisp0 wrote:
Just watched the 7 games last night. (I know I am late), but wow. He did not let nerves afflict him. His control and knowledge of the game is surreal!!! (say surreal like Serral). Stats put up a crazy fight. They both did. Just amazing. And I loved how Tastosis were freaking out over the fact it was a game 7 final and the fact that serral is the first non-korean to win a gsl. 8 years of GSL and this has been truly amazing to watch.
I think most people do not consider GSL vs the World the same as a real GSL. Just saying.
Serral is surreal indeed! But still not a GSL win I think!
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On August 11 2018 04:17 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 02:22 deacon.frost wrote:On August 09 2018 06:11 BaneRiders wrote:On August 09 2018 04:46 deacon.frost wrote:On August 08 2018 17:38 BaneRiders wrote:On August 08 2018 17:05 Jealous wrote:On August 08 2018 15:59 vyzion wrote:On August 08 2018 15:54 JoFar wrote:Never been more angry about region lock Well ... to be honest ... i don't think Serral would have improved like he had without region lock. In my opinion region lock was one of the best decisions blizzard ever made. Of course you can argue that it is unfair GSL hasn't a region lock and WCS circuit has ... but that is GSL's job to "repair" this issue. Without region lock there wouldn't be any real reason for foreigners to try, that's just a fact. Look before the region lock ... most of the times only one or two foreigners made it to a Ro8 of a WCS event. Yeah, koreans have been much better ... big part of that was that they had the much better infrastructure. (state sponsored) KESPA systems with all the teams ... the amount of money players got just for being in such a team, team houses, trainers etc. ... that all was something every non-korean SC player could only dream about. Of course koreans trained more and harder ... but part of the truth is also that they could do and afford that and make a living of it. And for what? Market and viewerships for starcraft 2 in south korea had been decreasing anyways ... Of course it has decreased worldwide also, but right now, as quality of games and tournaments in WCS are getting better and better, it's back increasing, as could be seen clearly in the last WCS stop at Valencia. Foreigner players now can make a living out of it, if they train hard und get to the top. And even the gap between foreigners and korean players is closing ... maybe just slowly, cause korean pro's were simply miles ahead and of course they still improve, too ... but same goes for foreigners now. Anyways, i think Starcraft and the tournament scene is in great shape right now. And big part of that is the region lock. Whatever blizzard may plan for 2019 and later, i just hope they won't change that. I completely agree and I consider region lock a success thus far. To be fair if your measure of success is toppling Goliath by giving him a terminal disease before David was even old enough to sling a stone, then all I can say is that we have different measures of success. I think that if there was no prejudiced system that drained the Korean scene and gave artificial lifeblood to the foreign scene, Koreans would never have lost to foreigners on a stage as big as this one. It's not just that the foreign community was incentivized, it's also that the Korean community was forced to downsize and re-prioritize. In short, I think that the gap has shrunk not only due to the efforts and benefits garnered by foreigners, but also because of the drought that Blizzard forced onto the Korean scene. Foreigners didn't simply rise to the level of Koreans, Koreans' growth had slowed tremendously while foreigners reaped the benefits of greater incentives. Maybe it was the "right" call, but I think it heavily depends on your perspective. I don't think that Blizzard has forced a drought onto the Korean scene though. Blizzard has been pumping in money in the Korean SC2 scene for the last two years, and maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like there are hardly anyone else contributing to it financially or in any other capacity these days. I mean, how many Korean SC2 teams exist today? Look at the Koreans participating in this tournament. 2 are on Jinair, 3 on foreign teams, and 3 without a team. How many Korean tournaments exist where Blizzard is not providing the cash for the price pool? How many Koreans are even watching SC2? I don't follow BW myself, but I can see on TL's list of Live Streams that there is someone called Britney streaming with 6543 (!) viewers. Of course, as I wanted to check out the stream it shows two dudes eating, so maybe this is a combined cooking show plus BW... It doesn't help when you sign for a tournament and foreigner kicks you out of GSL. That's a closed season for you... think about this. And region lock is implemented by whom? Blizzard ;-) That goes both ways though. I'd say True has won more bucks the last two years in WCS than the combined foreign forces in GSL (not to mention Hydra, Polt etc. competing in EU and NA before). And if you mean that it is closed season because there aren't any other tournaments in Korea, then that is hardly Blizzard's fault. People appears to be busy with BW or other games. If I were Blizzard, looking at the return on my investment, I'd seriously have to consider an immediate closure of sponsoring GSL for 2019 and shift the funds to have a fully global circuit, say 3-4 tourneys in EU (like Germany, Spain, Sweden and Poland or something), 3-4 in North America, 2 in South America and maybe 1 in Korea, China, Australia, and 1 somewhere in South-East Asia (if there is an interesting market there) respectively. 12 big tourneys spread over the year with a final. Even if I ignore the fact you chose players living in WCS region(which was the fucking point of region lock), and even if I ignore the blatant discrimination(it's not about banning too good players, it's about banning all Koreans, no matter how good or bad are they ... otherwise Serral would be banned in WCS too). Sure, stop paying GSL, because if any new player appears and is killed by a foreigner, then Blizzard is killing the Korean scene anyway. At least it would be fast and mercifull. All the new names in GSL are foreigners. We have only players moving to BW, moving to other games, retiring completely or going into the army. And mind you - many players ARE old and WILL go into the army "soon"(not in 2019, but certainly soon enough) The Korean scene is NOT growing. Because there are way too harsh conditions for any growth and you ahve only 1 shot and 1 shot only. If you lose in the qualification for GSL you're out for 3 months and you have to survive that period. Foreigners don't have to solve this dilemma. WOuld banning foreigners solve this? No, I know it won't!!!! I admitted it severla times!! But it's a step in the right direction. Edit> And if the region lock is so good as all you people are saying , then why we don't wanna help the Korean scene to grow by using it? Why? Is this some kind of another discrimination against Korea? I'm all for regionlock. There is no reason for people who live in one region to play in a different region(aside from greed). Players should just play in their own respective region for WCS and that's it.
Call it Regional Championship...or RCS.
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On August 11 2018 04:50 b0ub0u wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 01:55 Obisp0 wrote:
Just watched the 7 games last night. (I know I am late), but wow. He did not let nerves afflict him. His control and knowledge of the game is surreal!!! (say surreal like Serral). Stats put up a crazy fight. They both did. Just amazing. And I loved how Tastosis were freaking out over the fact it was a game 7 final and the fact that serral is the first non-korean to win a gsl. 8 years of GSL and this has been truly amazing to watch. I think most people do not consider GSL vs the World the same as a real GSL. Just saying.
The only times GSL vs TW counts as a GSL is if you want to claim Mvp has four titles, or now if you want to claim Serral is the first foreigner to win it.
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On August 08 2018 04:06 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 02:50 Miragee wrote:On August 07 2018 19:00 Zaros wrote:On August 07 2018 15:27 Miragee wrote:
So that's what an Ro16 GSL looks in 2018? 50% foreigners? Doesn't look like Korean domination to me at all, considering this tournament is held offline in Korea over a longer period (not just a weekend) so you have to live there. I haven't paid much attention to the SC2 scene over the past few years but this is pretty surprising considering everytime I read an SC2 there was a discussion about Koreans being to dominant etc. It’s 12.5% foreigners for this GSL in ro16 I'm counting 8 in the starting post? This was an invitational / popular vote tourney, 8 from Korea and 8 from the rest of the world. No qualifiers as such.
Not entirely true. Many of the players qualified as a result of their standing in the points ranking. Only some of the players got voted in.
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On August 11 2018 07:14 LTCM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 04:06 BaneRiders wrote:On August 08 2018 02:50 Miragee wrote:On August 07 2018 19:00 Zaros wrote:On August 07 2018 15:27 Miragee wrote:
So that's what an Ro16 GSL looks in 2018? 50% foreigners? Doesn't look like Korean domination to me at all, considering this tournament is held offline in Korea over a longer period (not just a weekend) so you have to live there. I haven't paid much attention to the SC2 scene over the past few years but this is pretty surprising considering everytime I read an SC2 there was a discussion about Koreans being to dominant etc. It’s 12.5% foreigners for this GSL in ro16 I'm counting 8 in the starting post? This was an invitational / popular vote tourney, 8 from Korea and 8 from the rest of the world. No qualifiers as such. Not entirely true. Many of the players qualified as a result of their standing in the points ranking. Only some of the players got voted in.
Yes, the invites were 4 of the highest standing of each region and the candidates for the votes were also based on points as well (was it six of each race behind the invites in points per race?), thus no Reynor for example because he didn't have enough points yet, + the Chinese representative for the world and second most votes for Korea. So it is not just a popular vote such as Nation Wars, because the players need to have had at least some success during the year to be able to be voted in.
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Watched the finals last night. That was a very good match with great play by both Stats and Serral.
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Classic can take Serral IMO
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On August 08 2018 17:38 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 17:05 Jealous wrote:On August 08 2018 15:59 vyzion wrote:On August 08 2018 15:54 JoFar wrote:Never been more angry about region lock Well ... to be honest ... i don't think Serral would have improved like he had without region lock. In my opinion region lock was one of the best decisions blizzard ever made. Of course you can argue that it is unfair GSL hasn't a region lock and WCS circuit has ... but that is GSL's job to "repair" this issue. Without region lock there wouldn't be any real reason for foreigners to try, that's just a fact. Look before the region lock ... most of the times only one or two foreigners made it to a Ro8 of a WCS event. Yeah, koreans have been much better ... big part of that was that they had the much better infrastructure. (state sponsored) KESPA systems with all the teams ... the amount of money players got just for being in such a team, team houses, trainers etc. ... that all was something every non-korean SC player could only dream about. Of course koreans trained more and harder ... but part of the truth is also that they could do and afford that and make a living of it. And for what? Market and viewerships for starcraft 2 in south korea had been decreasing anyways ... Of course it has decreased worldwide also, but right now, as quality of games and tournaments in WCS are getting better and better, it's back increasing, as could be seen clearly in the last WCS stop at Valencia. Foreigner players now can make a living out of it, if they train hard und get to the top. And even the gap between foreigners and korean players is closing ... maybe just slowly, cause korean pro's were simply miles ahead and of course they still improve, too ... but same goes for foreigners now. Anyways, i think Starcraft and the tournament scene is in great shape right now. And big part of that is the region lock. Whatever blizzard may plan for 2019 and later, i just hope they won't change that. I completely agree and I consider region lock a success thus far. To be fair if your measure of success is toppling Goliath by giving him a terminal disease before David was even old enough to sling a stone, then all I can say is that we have different measures of success. I think that if there was no prejudiced system that drained the Korean scene and gave artificial lifeblood to the foreign scene, Koreans would never have lost to foreigners on a stage as big as this one. It's not just that the foreign community was incentivized, it's also that the Korean community was forced to downsize and re-prioritize. In short, I think that the gap has shrunk not only due to the efforts and benefits garnered by foreigners, but also because of the drought that Blizzard forced onto the Korean scene. Foreigners didn't simply rise to the level of Koreans, Koreans' growth had slowed tremendously while foreigners reaped the benefits of greater incentives. Maybe it was the "right" call, but I think it heavily depends on your perspective. I don't think that Blizzard has forced a drought onto the Korean scene though. Blizzard has been pumping in money in the Korean SC2 scene for the last two years, and maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like there are hardly anyone else contributing to it financially or in any other capacity these days. I mean, how many Korean SC2 teams exist today? Look at the Koreans participating in this tournament. 2 are on Jinair, 3 on foreign teams, and 3 without a team. How many Korean tournaments exist where Blizzard is not providing the cash for the price pool? How many Koreans are even watching SC2? I don't follow BW myself, but I can see on TL's list of Live Streams that there is someone called Britney streaming with 6543 (!) viewers. Of course, as I wanted to check out the stream it shows two dudes eating, so maybe this is a combined cooking show plus BW...
LOL is that Rain?
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On August 17 2018 20:38 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 17:38 BaneRiders wrote:On August 08 2018 17:05 Jealous wrote:On August 08 2018 15:59 vyzion wrote:On August 08 2018 15:54 JoFar wrote:Never been more angry about region lock Well ... to be honest ... i don't think Serral would have improved like he had without region lock. In my opinion region lock was one of the best decisions blizzard ever made. Of course you can argue that it is unfair GSL hasn't a region lock and WCS circuit has ... but that is GSL's job to "repair" this issue. Without region lock there wouldn't be any real reason for foreigners to try, that's just a fact. Look before the region lock ... most of the times only one or two foreigners made it to a Ro8 of a WCS event. Yeah, koreans have been much better ... big part of that was that they had the much better infrastructure. (state sponsored) KESPA systems with all the teams ... the amount of money players got just for being in such a team, team houses, trainers etc. ... that all was something every non-korean SC player could only dream about. Of course koreans trained more and harder ... but part of the truth is also that they could do and afford that and make a living of it. And for what? Market and viewerships for starcraft 2 in south korea had been decreasing anyways ... Of course it has decreased worldwide also, but right now, as quality of games and tournaments in WCS are getting better and better, it's back increasing, as could be seen clearly in the last WCS stop at Valencia. Foreigner players now can make a living out of it, if they train hard und get to the top. And even the gap between foreigners and korean players is closing ... maybe just slowly, cause korean pro's were simply miles ahead and of course they still improve, too ... but same goes for foreigners now. Anyways, i think Starcraft and the tournament scene is in great shape right now. And big part of that is the region lock. Whatever blizzard may plan for 2019 and later, i just hope they won't change that. I completely agree and I consider region lock a success thus far. To be fair if your measure of success is toppling Goliath by giving him a terminal disease before David was even old enough to sling a stone, then all I can say is that we have different measures of success. I think that if there was no prejudiced system that drained the Korean scene and gave artificial lifeblood to the foreign scene, Koreans would never have lost to foreigners on a stage as big as this one. It's not just that the foreign community was incentivized, it's also that the Korean community was forced to downsize and re-prioritize. In short, I think that the gap has shrunk not only due to the efforts and benefits garnered by foreigners, but also because of the drought that Blizzard forced onto the Korean scene. Foreigners didn't simply rise to the level of Koreans, Koreans' growth had slowed tremendously while foreigners reaped the benefits of greater incentives. Maybe it was the "right" call, but I think it heavily depends on your perspective. I don't think that Blizzard has forced a drought onto the Korean scene though. Blizzard has been pumping in money in the Korean SC2 scene for the last two years, and maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like there are hardly anyone else contributing to it financially or in any other capacity these days. I mean, how many Korean SC2 teams exist today? Look at the Koreans participating in this tournament. 2 are on Jinair, 3 on foreign teams, and 3 without a team. How many Korean tournaments exist where Blizzard is not providing the cash for the price pool? How many Koreans are even watching SC2? I don't follow BW myself, but I can see on TL's list of Live Streams that there is someone called Britney streaming with 6543 (!) viewers. Of course, as I wanted to check out the stream it shows two dudes eating, so maybe this is a combined cooking show plus BW... LOL is that Rain?
Yeah it is xD
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