EPTAs a zerg player, I think there is still the opportunity to change the ultra by adding additional armor to either the ultra upgrade or as a base stat, if marauders turn out to make the ultras too useless.
I guess we will see.
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Ulargg
Netherlands33 Posts
As a zerg player, I think there is still the opportunity to change the ultra by adding additional armor to either the ultra upgrade or as a base stat, if marauders turn out to make the ultras too useless. I guess we will see. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
620 Posts
On May 09 2018 13:27 Ulargg wrote: I don't understand why they don't make the raven missile just not stack like all other spells. I think that is a better approach as opposed to the nerfing the damage. As a zerg player, I think there is still the opportunity to change the ultra by adding additional armor to either the ultra upgrade or as a base stat, if marauders turn out to make the ultras too useless. I guess we will see. Let's see how the patch plays out. The Anti Armor Missile nerf will hit Terran hard against Zerg in the late game. Yeah, Ultralisks will die easier to Marauders, but at the same time, Zerg won't have to worry as much about Anti Armor Missiles from Terran. | ||
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engesser1
264 Posts
On May 09 2018 12:52 SirPinky wrote: My logic may be oversimplifying things but I think it is pretty obvious - look at the Battlecruiser. Why is the BC the most expensive unit in the game which takes the longest to build (significantly longer than the Tempest) yet is one of the worst units in the game? It is dead in TvT because of interference matrix; it is dead in TvP because of Tempest easily kiting; it is dead in TvZ because of mass corruptor/viper(abduct) or mass hydra. Change something about the BC to make it better: Such as faster build time, less money, longer range, better speed...SOMETHING! They were on the right track with Tactical Jump, it was a nice novelty, but ultimately it did not make the unit playable against the many counter options of each race. Am I saying make the BC the strongest unit in the game which has little counter? No of course not...but not some pitiful unit that has zero place in any matchup. The irony here is Terran's flagship unit where you see the image everywhere in the game for marketing etc...is, indeed, one of the worst. Yeah, and it's good. It was said by several people in a previous community updates. But what is more important that is terran should have a fair chance to deal with the 3rd and economical advantage. That's the point and if terran can fuck that greddy third, we okay, at least right now. Because Dear vs Maru GSL S2, 2nd match was like "i'm ready to blow up". | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland424 Posts
I just can't understand how Terrans can whine about lategame in the same tine having unit as Ghost... Unbelievable. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 09 2018 13:11 xelnaga_empire wrote: Zerg players getting upset is premature. The Anti Armor Missile nerf is a huge nerf to the Terran late game. It's possible that Terrran late game is worse off after this patch, despite the other buffs. People are saying that the Marauder buff will hurt Ultralisks. But they also need to consider the impact the Anti Armor Missile nerf has on Terran late game against Zerg now. It's possible that the other buffs to Terran won't compensate for the Anti Armor Missile nerf in the late game. We'll have to see when the patch comes out. I don't know why zergs are whingeing about ultras and marauders tbh, when it would be so much more sensible to whine about roaches and marauders. | ||
Orlok
Korea (South)227 Posts
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Kurao
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algue
France1436 Posts
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
On May 09 2018 15:23 Orlok wrote: TBH I really wish people would just wait until the changes are actually implemented, then play a meaningful size of games to totally grasp the aftereffects of the patches. All this theory-crafting balance talk really doesn't matter until we see it in action and to be really brutally honest (from my ladder experiences at least) I think up til like diamond 2 its more a question of how well you know your win conditions against your opponent than really anything about balance. I've beaten and lost in equal measure, and my wins were more me just knowing the situation better midgame and capitalizing on it than me losing to the itty bitty tiny changes that are supposedly breaking the game as some people are stating in the comments. For the most part, most ladder players apart from the literal top 5% dont even bother trying to go to the late game purposefully. yeah pretty much this, sadly this will never happen. People like complaining too much | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
On May 09 2018 05:40 Fran_ wrote: Hopefully the threat of strong 2 base all-ins will keep Protoss honest and they will prepare for the possibility instead of going double upgrade and storm with few units, knowing they will probably defend anyway. If you are greedy you deserve to be punished by an all-in. The meta should adjust from there. I see a problem if the 2 base all in is unstoppable no matter what. This can already punished if you scout and prepare an appropiate response. But yeah I understand how this patch will help those A-move terrans, ie. most of them. Not surprised and dont care, Im used to Terran being favoured by Blizz. User was warned for this post. | ||
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
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Kikirik1
45 Posts
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xelnaga_empire
620 Posts
On May 09 2018 16:57 Parcelleus wrote: This can already punished if you scout and prepare an appropiate response. But yeah I understand how this patch will help those A-move terrans, ie. most of them. Not surprised and dont care, Im used to Terran being favoured by Blizz. This comment is not productive at all and is rather antagonizing. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
620 Posts
On May 09 2018 17:16 Geo.Rion wrote: it s kind of a shame, i was having fun offracing as Protoss, and enjoying that i dont have to really know the PvT mu and still manage to win some games Uhmm, what about the Terran on the other end that does know the PvsT matchup but loses to you anyways? | ||
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DavStarcraft2
9 Posts
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On May 09 2018 13:30 xelnaga_empire wrote: Let's see how the patch plays out. The Anti Armor Missile nerf will hit Terran hard against Zerg in the late game. Yeah, Ultralisks will die easier to Marauders, but at the same time, Zerg won't have to worry as much about Anti Armor Missiles from Terran. It'll work out. Other things will be buffed if it really is a problem. Just like tossing the mothership core out and adding a shield battery worked. The more important thing is that the AAM was being used exactly opposite to what it was supposed to be used for. They nerfed it to bring it in line with the vision of it. | ||
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Lyyna
France776 Posts
On May 09 2018 18:17 DavStarcraft2 wrote: I wish Terran had a solid late-game unit/comp that doesn't get reworked and/or nerfed every 4-6 months... The problem about that is that terran's lategame units are so much worse than their Z / P equivalents, so the only way to make them good without reworking the other races' units (which would be ideal but won't happen) is to give terran something "stupid" like the missile or snipe which ends up being very strong (tho never to the point some people implies on TL, and largely counterable by micro, but hey..) but extremely gimmicky. Also no fast remax mechanic so you end up with a worse army that can't be replenished as fast and isn't as mobile. Terran is the only race that has to trade mobility & production speed for firepower.. without getting more in the firepower departement. Also, static D. I'll mention again an idea i put in the other thread : make ravens a true support unit. Give them scrambler missile, pdd, & healing drone. Now you get an unit that can be used to truly help the bigger terran units like thors & BCs, and help fighting tempests / corruptors. Hell, you can even introduce more micro by making the healing drone something attached to an unit (ala defensive matrix) instead of a static thing. | ||
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Raven_Ax
France3 Posts
I wish Terran had a solid late-game unit/comp that doesn't get reworked and/or nerfed every 4-6 months... It's dangerous to give Terran a good late game comp. If you give them powerful late game, a lot of turtle play will emerge from that. They are the best at defending bases. I like to play it & play against it if you have the right tools. Right now IMO you clearly have the tools. (With the AAM nerf which I like) We will not see a lot of Mech (turtle or aggressive) now. Why bother with Mech if you have no more tools in late game than BIO ? I guess Blizzard just want to see BIO play with multi tasking, and not take any risk at giving T a powerfull late game. | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland424 Posts
The only beef i have with Blizzard is that they admitted 2 months ago that they know Raven is being imba, but still they decided to not nerf it, leaving this broken units untouched trough whole ro32 of GSL. Korean Zergs send big thanks. | ||
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