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On May 16 2018 17:10 Ej_ wrote:
Rogue was never close to a starleague final and Life was never close to the GSL studio in LotV, but w/e. Zerg players are just chokers.
I mean, yeah. What other explanation is there? Rogue is clearly better at weakend events, Life got arrested, and the zergs that dominate starleagues just happen to be chokers.
If zerg was genuinely underpowered, then there would be shortage of them getting far in tournaments. In reality it's the opposite. Out of the last 10 premier tournaments, 9 of them had at least one zerg in the final.
Using only champions is already a very small sample size. Using only GSL champions is an even smaller one. Disregarding SSL, as well as the IEMs/blizzcons/Super cups that zerg win is stupid.
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On May 16 2018 14:15 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2018 05:21 Creager wrote:On May 16 2018 02:41 Ej_ wrote:On May 16 2018 01:14 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 16 2018 01:04 Haukinger wrote:
Why exactly do they think they need to buff against Zerg when no Zerg has won a single GSL since Life more than three years ago? Because outside of GSL Zerg has been pretty damn dominant for the last couple of years. The foreign scene in particular is a massive Zerg fest, and it's only getting worse with Serral reaching Super Saiyan Blue status. And even in GSL's case, sure no Zerg has won the whole thing since Life, but we've had Zergs basically in the finals every year with soO being there like 4-5 times. If soO wasn't so cursed Zerg could easily have like 3-4 GSL titles since Life. It's really impressive how you managed to spin foreign, notably low-level (with all due respect to non-Korean pros, but WCS isn't GSL) scene to somehow reflect satte of Zerg's dominance while the inability for Zerg to win a GSL is just "curse". Yep, because soO was always favored to win. Every GSL final he played, he just either choked it away or was stopped by divine forces. Oh and btw, while there have been 4 appearances of Zerg in GSL finals since Life's win, onyl 2 of them were soO (in LotV). The 2 in Heart of the Swarm were ByuL's. A player who gained notoriety as being able to win in the not-so-friendly to Zerg meta of mech and +2 blink, but somehow, by supernatural forces, was also always stopped in his tracks in finals and eventually labaled a Kong. Don't really know what you're so upset about with the current World champion being Z, runner-up also Z with a Ro16 distribution of 3 P, 5 T and 8 Z. I don't like the idiotic notion of atributing Zerg being unable to win a GSL to a "curse" or "choking". I also don't like when someone brings up racial distribution from a glorified weekender that invited half the players from outside Korea and happened half a year ago, but that's different fucking matter.
Whatever floats your boat, mate.
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I think it's time for Terrans and Protosses to give us Zergs some tips about efficient whining, and how to use salt and tears to force Blizzard to help with balance patches.
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On May 16 2018 20:07 hiroshOne wrote:
I think it's time for Terrans and Protosses to give us Zergs some tips about efficient whining, and how to use salt and tears to force Blizzard to help with balance patches.
Zergs need to start actually struggling in tournaments first lol
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On May 15 2018 19:33 xongnox wrote:If you do the maths right with upgrades/sentry shield it's huge change vs stalker/collosi comps. You probably didn't play HoTs maurauder-drop-the-toss Cure-style era to not remember the difference between the old and the new maraudeur (yep i know lot of other things have changed, like eco and upgrades, but still ) For your TvP balance statement, simply check trop korean players winrates in the MU. Maru, best player in the world, is at 44% vs Korean Toss since December 2017Innovation at 57% GuMiho at 50% TY at 44% That was the 4 best ranked korean terran players. Now let's whatch the best Protoss : Classic : 81% herO : 67 % Zest : 70% Stats : 70% sOs : 65% Hard to say anything more.
I like how you included the pre stalker nerf period to argue about current PvT balance. Try using post mid February stats and post again. PvT is not even close to being as bad as people make it out to be.
I would also say that using winrate stats to argue about SC2 racial balance is inherently flawed because of the small player pool we have. It's bound to be skewed towards whatever race that has more top level players. We could have perfect racial balance, but it just happens to be that we have a 7/6/4 split in terms of number of champion contender quality players among races so the winrate is skewed towards the first race. You can argue in a healthy scene, if the game is balanced, this split will change over time and tends to converge to 6/6/6 for example. But it's not the case for SC2. There's no 'up and coming' players that could go from being nameless to relevant because of a balance update, even if it's a dramatic one.
You might have to make the game hugely inbalanced to make the winrates appear to be balanced at this point.
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That was such a huge 'nerf' i forgot about this one ^^
But sample size will actually be too small if we take numbers after 1 mars 2018. For example Classic had only 10 matchs vs korean terrans since (and he's at 9 win 1 loose )
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On May 16 2018 21:17 xongnox wrote:
That was such a huge 'nerf' i forgot about this one ^^
You must be kidding. That nerf was actually more gamechanging for protoss than a MSC removal. Before that blink stalkers allins destroyed even zergs. Let alone poor terrans and other protosses.
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On May 16 2018 12:10 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2018 10:25 xongnox wrote:
.But maybe we will see the come back of 5rax heavy pressure/drop play. What come back? Thats been the meta for months.
games ?
With top korean terran actually wining vs a decent opponent ?
We see a lot of 5rax, but not with constant heavy pressure/drop play. It's more like one frontal timing into defending. (except if toss id dying). And it's played way less marauder-heavy than in the old days.
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On May 16 2018 07:22 royalroadweed wrote:
+10 hp boys. The time is right for the landed viking harass. Hots trailer viking will be proud.
im working on this servos rush build for maximum harassment
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