EPT1.
INnoVation2.
Life (Only results considered)3.
MVP4.
sOs5.
SoO6.
herO7.
TaeJa8.
Zest 9.
Maru10.
StatsHonorable mentions include MC, Polt, MMA, Parting, Rain, Rogue, Dark, Nestea, DRG
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arcane1129
United States271 Posts
1. INnoVation2. Life (Only results considered)3. MVP4. sOs5. SoO6. herO7. TaeJa8. Zest 9. Maru10. StatsHonorable mentions include MC, Polt, MMA, Parting, Rain, Rogue, Dark, Nestea, DRG | ||
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
On April 10 2018 17:30 Zephyp wrote: I wasn't aware this ranking would consider stuff like that. I would. Because when you are talking GOAT it's not just the results that one should consider. Greatness is subjective anyway | ||
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TheEarthBerry
2 Posts
But I'm not knowledgeable enough to make a list like this. Good initiative though! | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19298 Posts
On April 11 2018 01:18 TheEarthBerry wrote: So sad Life did what he did. I believe he would have been the best player in addition to the greatest. That said: Terran forever <3 But I'm not knowledgeable enough to make a list like this. Good initiative though! If Life was still around, would we see soO or Dark gets the achievements that they did? | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On April 09 2018 20:55 The_Red_Viper wrote: And i thought i am one of the most critical people when it comes to taeja, well you are just a hater so i guess it is still true :D I completely agree that weekenders are not the same tier as starleagues, but taeja was an excellent player and the sheer number of high place finishes at these weekenders surely makes him one of the best players ever. Yes the lvl of competition at weekenders was lower, noticeably so in fact. But especially in the later rounds you still had to beat the likes of Life, Zest or other top koreans. "top 30 at most" is incredibly ridiculous and based on nothing but hate (something other people would say about my taeja criticism as well :D) Ok i defended Taeja in a goat discussion, there's always a first. Yeah... wtf did I just read.. viper showing taeja love | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On April 11 2018 02:31 BisuDagger wrote: If Life was still around, would we see soO or Dark gets the achievements that they did? I don't know Life had an iron grip on the zerg race, but considering Dark and SoO are kongs. I'd say yeah they would probably still be getting second. | ||
nimdil
Poland3751 Posts
Zest dominated that period. Mvp dominated during infancy and he wasn't untouchable by any mean being challenged by NesTea in first part and then MMA (and NaNiwa :D) in second. | ||
Poopi
France12904 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On April 11 2018 16:22 nimdil wrote: TBH for me GOAT is a player that dominated the period where game was played at highest level - which for me is ~4 years starting with first non-hybrid proleague and ending around the time when most of KeSPA teams disbanded. Zest dominated that period. Mvp dominated during infancy and he wasn't untouchable by any mean being challenged by NesTea in first part and then MMA (and NaNiwa :D) in second. even Olli didn't pu Zest in his top 3. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On April 11 2018 02:31 BisuDagger wrote: If Life was still around, would we see soO or Dark gets the achievements that they did? Probably. Life had his share of lull periods where other Zergs had to sub for him. 2013: Soulkey 2014: soO 2015: ByuL | ||
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nimdil
Poland3751 Posts
Olli took the whole SC2 history into account, whereas I determined when and where SC2 was played at its peak and used other periods only as a tie breaker. Winning European titles does not GOAT make. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3453 Posts
On April 09 2018 19:08 BisuDagger wrote: That's a pretty reasonable way of looking at it. I'd like to see a list based on scenario one. It sounds like we would get a fun list. Sorry but Life is also in my cool player list. 1. PartinG2. TricKsteR / TesteR3. Grubby4. MC5. sOs6. Stephano7. Life8. ToD9. ByuN10. Patience | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16008 Posts
On April 11 2018 16:22 nimdil wrote: TBH for me GOAT is a player that dominated the period where game was played at highest level - which for me is ~4 years starting with first non-hybrid proleague and ending around the time when most of KeSPA teams disbanded. Zest dominated that period. Mvp dominated during infancy and he wasn't untouchable by any mean being challenged by NesTea in first part and then MMA (and NaNiwa :D) in second. Inno and Life have also a very strong claim to being the best player from 2013 - 2016. Stuchiu's best players of HotS list (which included all of the competitive peak years except 2016) had Life - TaeJa - Inno with TaeJa being highly debatable for obvious reasons. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/505981-greatest-hots-players-of-all-time-part-3 | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On April 11 2018 17:08 nimdil wrote: Olli took the whole SC2 history into account, whereas I determined when and where SC2 was played at its peak and used other periods only as a tie breaker. Winning European titles does not GOAT make. I can't think of a fairer top 3 than one including Mvp Life and INno. Plenty of Starleagues and weekender. INno ans Life dominated through different meta, which is really impressive. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 11 2018 16:22 nimdil wrote: TBH for me GOAT is a player that dominated the period where game was played at highest level - which for me is ~4 years starting with first non-hybrid proleague and ending around the time when most of KeSPA teams disbanded. Zest dominated that period. Mvp dominated during infancy and he wasn't untouchable by any mean being challenged by NesTea in first part and then MMA (and NaNiwa :D) in second. Well that solves it boys, Zest dominated a year of WoL, ALL of HotS, and a year of LotV. Walk away, we found the GOAT. | ||
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elmerpogs
Philippines441 Posts
INnoVation2. Life 3. MVP4. SoO5. sOs6 TaeJa7. Rain8. herO9. Maru10. Zest | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On April 11 2018 17:41 Ej_ wrote: Well that solves it boys, Zest dominated a year of WoL, ALL of HotS, and a year of LotV. Walk away, we found the GOAT. Fair enough | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On April 11 2018 17:08 nimdil wrote: Olli took the whole SC2 history into account, whereas I determined when and where SC2 was played at its peak and used other periods only as a tie breaker. Winning European titles does not GOAT make. Even under those conditions (quarter 3ish WoL - mid 2016) Zest doesn't deserve #1 at all. Life easily has him beat and you could even argue for Maru and Taeja (he had 2 semifinal GSL runs near the end of WoL! Come at me!) as well. Also, no, Mvp wasn't totally untouchable during his most dominant year (2011), but he was far more dominant than Zest. If we're splitting hairs here, Zest had a critical weakness in PvT that fortunately for him didn't get exposed that much thanks to the blink era. His PvT for 2014 Compared to the other two | ||
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nimdil
Poland3751 Posts
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
Ranking by how often the players got into the list at all: + Show Spoiler + Who ranks best at each placement? I will list the first few interesting ones: + Show Spoiler + 1. Mvp (22), INnoVation (19), Life (15), sOs / ByuN (3), Rogue (2), Maru / Zest / NesTea / Polt / boxer / Cure (1)2. INnoVation (18), Mvp (13), Life / soO (11), MC (4)3. Life (16), Mvp (15), INnoVation (13), soO (6), sOs (5), TaeJa (3)4. soO / sOs (9), INnoVation / TaeJa / Zest (7), MC (5), Life / Maru (4)5. sOs (11), soO (9), TaeJa / Zest (6), MC / Maru (5)6. sOs (17!), MC (9), soO / Maru (6), Zest / Rogue (4)7. Dark (10), TaeJa (7), Maru / Polt (5), MC / soO / Zest (4)8. TaeJa / Maru / Zest (7), MC / Rain (6), soO (5)9. TaeJa (6), Maru / MC / Polt / Partin / NesTea (5)10. Zest (6), TaeJa / NesTea / Dark (5), Maru / Polt / Rain / MMA / soO (4)Trivia, weird occurances and more or less baffling consensus The first 4 pages featured a neck-and-neck race between INnoVation and Life for First place (with Inno being mostly in the lead) but then nostalgists stepped in and Mvp passed them while Life got left somewhat behind (perhaps due to the upcoming discussion about him?).As assumed Life's scandal did not only cost him many points but also made him lack behind Inno and Mvp for 1st and 2nd place because of being excluded from the list relatively often. The race seems a bit closer if you multiply the average points of each player with Inno's 63 appearances (I took the players of the original ranking for this list):+ Show Spoiler + 1. Inno (8,5079365079*63=536) 2. Mvp (8,4166666667*63=530,25)3. Life (8,1320754717*63=512,320754717)4. soO (5,9464285714*63=374,625)5. sOs (5,9433962264*63=374,4339622642)6. MC (4,975*63=313,425)7. TaeJa (4,5217391304*63=284,8695652174)8. Maru (4,475*63=281,925)9. Zest (4,3157894737*63=271,8947368421)10. NesTea (4,2173913043*63=265,6956521739)NesTea and sOs are the only players who got voted for for every rank.soO and TaeJa also got votes for every rank - with an exception: voters consensually thought that they can't be ranked higher than 2nd place.TaeJa and Maru seem to be the most controversial players, getting votes very spread out over all ranks. Considering Maru's recent GSL championship he now probably wouldn't be in this situation anymore.With 17 votes sOs is kind of weirdly agreed on to be 6th place. At least he is kind of in the middle with also quite many votes vor 4th (9) and 5th (11)Considering only the number of getting ranked top10 there could be made a cut after 9th place for the GOAT-discussion. NesTea got ranked only 23 times while Zest got ranked 38 times. That's a difference of 15 times. The biggest difference within the top9 is 7. | ||
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