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Didn't see the game but I am honestly so happy to hear that she won. Grats Scarlett!
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"roll-reversal" Get on it.
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On February 08 2018 02:42 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 02:39 intotheheart wrote:On February 08 2018 00:49 Zambrah wrote:
A M E R I C A,
and it feels so good. She's C A N A D I A N No she's american, just like Stephano
Um... Canada is part of "North America"...
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On February 08 2018 05:27 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 04:58 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 03:10 Fango wrote:On February 08 2018 02:25 pvsnp wrote:I have to say that I am reflexively repulsed by the community reaction. This is the most disproportionate reaction to anyone winning anything I've ever seen in SC2. While I do understand that a popular player with a lot of fans who were waiting a long time will naturally cause a disproportionate reaction, I still step back out of sheer confusion/instinct. I get what you mean. Scarlett winning here isn't as impressive as people are making it out to be. But for one of the most beloved players of all time to win such a historic event is great for the community. And I've been saying for the past year that Scarlett is good enough to win an event so I guess I should be happy. But people are going a bit too crazy over it. Winning a tournament "on Korean soil" means a lot less once you realize that there were a grand total of two Koreans present, and Scarlett only played one of them, a guy so renowned for his inconsistency that the community was forced to create the narrative that he only plays his best in tournaments with a $100,000 first place prize. It kinda is true that sOs only plays his best in big money events. Well nowadays it's more he only cares about GSL. He said in an interview last year he's happy about the money he's won so far and just wants to win GSL, and other events he just tries to entertain fans. You can't really deny it when his games in crossfinals and SSL were memes, all the events he gets voted into he barely wins any maps, meanwhile he makes it to two GSL finals and a ro4. When people say sOs's skill increases when a lot is on the line there is some backing to it. He was the only guy to every pull of a reverse all-kill in proleague history right?
Anyone with eyes can see that sOs didn't play, well, like sOs. He didn't bust out some crazy new cheese, he didn't go for anything super unexpected, he played pretty damn standard and not particularly well at that.
On February 08 2018 05:40 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 05:29 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 05:23 AUGcodon wrote:
I think a Semi-Finals GSL runs would cement Scarlet as a top-tier foreigner if she manages to keep her form up well. If RO16 goes the way everyone think it does, beating zest and leenock wouldn't be too 'impressive'. Winning against Dark or Soo in the quarterfinals should at least mean her ZvZ is top notch. For amusement's sake, I do hope she will meet sos in the semi-finals again. To validate the (insane) level of hype, Scarlett would have to defeat a top Korean Terran in GSL. Which is to say, INnoVation or TY. And that's probably not going to happen. Well she has done it before (not in GSL ofc), but Innovation or TY wouldn't lose to any foreign zerg. Outside of Dark or Solar they wouldn't lose to zerg in general
Anything is possible, but I'm not holding my breath. Some people though, are buying into the overhype, hook, line, and sinker. Upsets happen. Consistency is what separates the best from the rest and Scarlett hasn't shown it.
I'm happy to change my opinion if Scarlett demonstrates top-tier consistency over 2018, but it hasn't happened yet and until it does the hype circlejerk is premature.
On February 08 2018 05:48 AUGcodon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 05:29 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 05:23 AUGcodon wrote:
I think a Semi-Finals GSL runs would cement Scarlet as a top-tier foreigner if she manages to keep her form up well. If RO16 goes the way everyone think it does, beating zest and leenock wouldn't be too 'impressive'. Winning against Dark or Soo in the quarterfinals should at least mean her ZvZ is top notch. For amusement's sake, I do hope she will meet sos in the semi-finals again. To validate the (insane) level of hype, Scarlett would have to defeat a top Korean Terran in GSL. Which is to say, INnoVation or TY. And that's probably not going to happen. For max Pro/Anti Scarlet saltiness, I want RO16 Scarlet > Leenock + Zest RO8 Scarlet > Soo/Dark Ro4 Scarlet > Any group D toss that's not Trap Finals Scarlet < Innovation 0:4
Are you cheering for Scarlett or against her?
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On February 08 2018 07:27 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 05:27 Fango wrote:On February 08 2018 04:58 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 03:10 Fango wrote:On February 08 2018 02:25 pvsnp wrote:I have to say that I am reflexively repulsed by the community reaction. This is the most disproportionate reaction to anyone winning anything I've ever seen in SC2. While I do understand that a popular player with a lot of fans who were waiting a long time will naturally cause a disproportionate reaction, I still step back out of sheer confusion/instinct. I get what you mean. Scarlett winning here isn't as impressive as people are making it out to be. But for one of the most beloved players of all time to win such a historic event is great for the community. And I've been saying for the past year that Scarlett is good enough to win an event so I guess I should be happy. But people are going a bit too crazy over it. Winning a tournament "on Korean soil" means a lot less once you realize that there were a grand total of two Koreans present, and Scarlett only played one of them, a guy so renowned for his inconsistency that the community was forced to create the narrative that he only plays his best in tournaments with a $100,000 first place prize. It kinda is true that sOs only plays his best in big money events. Well nowadays it's more he only cares about GSL. He said in an interview last year he's happy about the money he's won so far and just wants to win GSL, and other events he just tries to entertain fans. You can't really deny it when his games in crossfinals and SSL were memes, all the events he gets voted into he barely wins any maps, meanwhile he makes it to two GSL finals and a ro4. When people say sOs's skill increases when a lot is on the line there is some backing to it. He was the only guy to every pull of a reverse all-kill in proleague history right? Anyone with eyes can see that sOs didn't play, well, like sOs. He didn't bust out some crazy new cheese, he didn't go for anything super unexpected, he played pretty damn standard and not particularly well at that. Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 05:40 Fango wrote:On February 08 2018 05:29 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 05:23 AUGcodon wrote:
I think a Semi-Finals GSL runs would cement Scarlet as a top-tier foreigner if she manages to keep her form up well. If RO16 goes the way everyone think it does, beating zest and leenock wouldn't be too 'impressive'. Winning against Dark or Soo in the quarterfinals should at least mean her ZvZ is top notch. For amusement's sake, I do hope she will meet sos in the semi-finals again. To validate the (insane) level of hype, Scarlett would have to defeat a top Korean Terran in GSL. Which is to say, INnoVation or TY. And that's probably not going to happen. Well she has done it before (not in GSL ofc), but Innovation or TY wouldn't lose to any foreign zerg. Outside of Dark or Solar they wouldn't lose to zerg in general Anything is possible, but I'm not holding my breath. Some people though, are buying into the overhype, hook, line, and sinker. Upsets happen. Consistency is what separates the best from the rest and Scarlett hasn't shown it. Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 05:48 AUGcodon wrote:On February 08 2018 05:29 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 05:23 AUGcodon wrote:
I think a Semi-Finals GSL runs would cement Scarlet as a top-tier foreigner if she manages to keep her form up well. If RO16 goes the way everyone think it does, beating zest and leenock wouldn't be too 'impressive'. Winning against Dark or Soo in the quarterfinals should at least mean her ZvZ is top notch. For amusement's sake, I do hope she will meet sos in the semi-finals again. To validate the (insane) level of hype, Scarlett would have to defeat a top Korean Terran in GSL. Which is to say, INnoVation or TY. And that's probably not going to happen. For max Pro/Anti Scarlet saltiness, I want RO16 Scarlet > Leenock + Zest RO8 Scarlet > Soo/Dark Ro4 Scarlet > Any group D toss that's not Trap Finals Scarlet < Innovation 0:4 Are you cheering for Scarlett or against her?
He's cheering for mountains of salt like I am.
My ideal scenario:
Ro16 Scarlett 4-0 Zest, INno
Ro8 Scarlett 3-0 Dark
Ro4 Scarlett 4-0 Classic
Finals Scarlett 0-4 aLive
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On February 08 2018 07:26 ObamaAteMyKFC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 02:42 Durnuu wrote:On February 08 2018 02:39 intotheheart wrote:On February 08 2018 00:49 Zambrah wrote:
A M E R I C A,
and it feels so good. She's C A N A D I A N No she's american, just like Stephano Um... Canada is part of "North America"...
But only people who don't live on the continent call Canadians American.
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On February 08 2018 07:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 07:27 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 05:27 Fango wrote:On February 08 2018 04:58 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 03:10 Fango wrote:On February 08 2018 02:25 pvsnp wrote:I have to say that I am reflexively repulsed by the community reaction. This is the most disproportionate reaction to anyone winning anything I've ever seen in SC2. While I do understand that a popular player with a lot of fans who were waiting a long time will naturally cause a disproportionate reaction, I still step back out of sheer confusion/instinct. I get what you mean. Scarlett winning here isn't as impressive as people are making it out to be. But for one of the most beloved players of all time to win such a historic event is great for the community. And I've been saying for the past year that Scarlett is good enough to win an event so I guess I should be happy. But people are going a bit too crazy over it. Winning a tournament "on Korean soil" means a lot less once you realize that there were a grand total of two Koreans present, and Scarlett only played one of them, a guy so renowned for his inconsistency that the community was forced to create the narrative that he only plays his best in tournaments with a $100,000 first place prize. It kinda is true that sOs only plays his best in big money events. Well nowadays it's more he only cares about GSL. He said in an interview last year he's happy about the money he's won so far and just wants to win GSL, and other events he just tries to entertain fans. You can't really deny it when his games in crossfinals and SSL were memes, all the events he gets voted into he barely wins any maps, meanwhile he makes it to two GSL finals and a ro4. When people say sOs's skill increases when a lot is on the line there is some backing to it. He was the only guy to every pull of a reverse all-kill in proleague history right? Anyone with eyes can see that sOs didn't play, well, like sOs. He didn't bust out some crazy new cheese, he didn't go for anything super unexpected, he played pretty damn standard and not particularly well at that. On February 08 2018 05:40 Fango wrote:On February 08 2018 05:29 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 05:23 AUGcodon wrote:
I think a Semi-Finals GSL runs would cement Scarlet as a top-tier foreigner if she manages to keep her form up well. If RO16 goes the way everyone think it does, beating zest and leenock wouldn't be too 'impressive'. Winning against Dark or Soo in the quarterfinals should at least mean her ZvZ is top notch. For amusement's sake, I do hope she will meet sos in the semi-finals again. To validate the (insane) level of hype, Scarlett would have to defeat a top Korean Terran in GSL. Which is to say, INnoVation or TY. And that's probably not going to happen. Well she has done it before (not in GSL ofc), but Innovation or TY wouldn't lose to any foreign zerg. Outside of Dark or Solar they wouldn't lose to zerg in general Anything is possible, but I'm not holding my breath. Some people though, are buying into the overhype, hook, line, and sinker. Upsets happen. Consistency is what separates the best from the rest and Scarlett hasn't shown it. On February 08 2018 05:48 AUGcodon wrote:On February 08 2018 05:29 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 05:23 AUGcodon wrote:
I think a Semi-Finals GSL runs would cement Scarlet as a top-tier foreigner if she manages to keep her form up well. If RO16 goes the way everyone think it does, beating zest and leenock wouldn't be too 'impressive'. Winning against Dark or Soo in the quarterfinals should at least mean her ZvZ is top notch. For amusement's sake, I do hope she will meet sos in the semi-finals again. To validate the (insane) level of hype, Scarlett would have to defeat a top Korean Terran in GSL. Which is to say, INnoVation or TY. And that's probably not going to happen. For max Pro/Anti Scarlet saltiness, I want RO16 Scarlet > Leenock + Zest RO8 Scarlet > Soo/Dark Ro4 Scarlet > Any group D toss that's not Trap Finals Scarlet < Innovation 0:4 Are you cheering for Scarlett or against her? He's cheering for mountains of salt like I am. My ideal scenario: Ro16 Scarlett 4-0 Zest, INno Ro8 Scarlett 3-0 Dark Ro4 Scarlett 4-0 Classic Finals Scarlett 0-4 aLive
I'm ambivalent towards Scarlett, though mildly annoyed at her rabid fans. I don't particularly care how she does in GSL. I am curious as to where Scarlett's form stands though, since it's been all over the place recently (advancing in GSL, losing at Leipzig, winning Pyeongchang) and hope for some clarity.
Not sure why people like salt so much.
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As a Canadian I am really proud !
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On February 08 2018 07:37 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 07:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On February 08 2018 07:27 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 05:27 Fango wrote:On February 08 2018 04:58 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 03:10 Fango wrote:On February 08 2018 02:25 pvsnp wrote:I have to say that I am reflexively repulsed by the community reaction. This is the most disproportionate reaction to anyone winning anything I've ever seen in SC2. While I do understand that a popular player with a lot of fans who were waiting a long time will naturally cause a disproportionate reaction, I still step back out of sheer confusion/instinct. I get what you mean. Scarlett winning here isn't as impressive as people are making it out to be. But for one of the most beloved players of all time to win such a historic event is great for the community. And I've been saying for the past year that Scarlett is good enough to win an event so I guess I should be happy. But people are going a bit too crazy over it. Winning a tournament "on Korean soil" means a lot less once you realize that there were a grand total of two Koreans present, and Scarlett only played one of them, a guy so renowned for his inconsistency that the community was forced to create the narrative that he only plays his best in tournaments with a $100,000 first place prize. It kinda is true that sOs only plays his best in big money events. Well nowadays it's more he only cares about GSL. He said in an interview last year he's happy about the money he's won so far and just wants to win GSL, and other events he just tries to entertain fans. You can't really deny it when his games in crossfinals and SSL were memes, all the events he gets voted into he barely wins any maps, meanwhile he makes it to two GSL finals and a ro4. When people say sOs's skill increases when a lot is on the line there is some backing to it. He was the only guy to every pull of a reverse all-kill in proleague history right? Anyone with eyes can see that sOs didn't play, well, like sOs. He didn't bust out some crazy new cheese, he didn't go for anything super unexpected, he played pretty damn standard and not particularly well at that. On February 08 2018 05:40 Fango wrote:On February 08 2018 05:29 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 05:23 AUGcodon wrote:
I think a Semi-Finals GSL runs would cement Scarlet as a top-tier foreigner if she manages to keep her form up well. If RO16 goes the way everyone think it does, beating zest and leenock wouldn't be too 'impressive'. Winning against Dark or Soo in the quarterfinals should at least mean her ZvZ is top notch. For amusement's sake, I do hope she will meet sos in the semi-finals again. To validate the (insane) level of hype, Scarlett would have to defeat a top Korean Terran in GSL. Which is to say, INnoVation or TY. And that's probably not going to happen. Well she has done it before (not in GSL ofc), but Innovation or TY wouldn't lose to any foreign zerg. Outside of Dark or Solar they wouldn't lose to zerg in general Anything is possible, but I'm not holding my breath. Some people though, are buying into the overhype, hook, line, and sinker. Upsets happen. Consistency is what separates the best from the rest and Scarlett hasn't shown it. On February 08 2018 05:48 AUGcodon wrote:On February 08 2018 05:29 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 05:23 AUGcodon wrote:
I think a Semi-Finals GSL runs would cement Scarlet as a top-tier foreigner if she manages to keep her form up well. If RO16 goes the way everyone think it does, beating zest and leenock wouldn't be too 'impressive'. Winning against Dark or Soo in the quarterfinals should at least mean her ZvZ is top notch. For amusement's sake, I do hope she will meet sos in the semi-finals again. To validate the (insane) level of hype, Scarlett would have to defeat a top Korean Terran in GSL. Which is to say, INnoVation or TY. And that's probably not going to happen. For max Pro/Anti Scarlet saltiness, I want RO16 Scarlet > Leenock + Zest RO8 Scarlet > Soo/Dark Ro4 Scarlet > Any group D toss that's not Trap Finals Scarlet < Innovation 0:4 Are you cheering for Scarlett or against her? He's cheering for mountains of salt like I am. My ideal scenario: Ro16 Scarlett 4-0 Zest, INno Ro8 Scarlett 3-0 Dark Ro4 Scarlett 4-0 Classic Finals Scarlett 0-4 aLive I'm ambivalent towards Scarlett, though mildly annoyed at her rabid fans. I don't particularly care how she does in GSL. Not sure why people like salt so much.
Salt makes everything sweeter.
More seriously, since I'm not really invested in any particular players in general, and more interested in seeing good games than anything else, might as well have "entertaining" results to accompany them.
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Really happy to see Scarlett get a premier win. I'm always hopeful for her doing well in tournaments, but the consistency hasn't been there. I don't necessarily think she can win all of GSL, but these results are encouraging. Hopefully she can get out of her group and to Ro8!
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On February 08 2018 07:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 07:37 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 07:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On February 08 2018 07:27 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 05:27 Fango wrote:On February 08 2018 04:58 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 03:10 Fango wrote:On February 08 2018 02:25 pvsnp wrote:I have to say that I am reflexively repulsed by the community reaction. This is the most disproportionate reaction to anyone winning anything I've ever seen in SC2. While I do understand that a popular player with a lot of fans who were waiting a long time will naturally cause a disproportionate reaction, I still step back out of sheer confusion/instinct. I get what you mean. Scarlett winning here isn't as impressive as people are making it out to be. But for one of the most beloved players of all time to win such a historic event is great for the community. And I've been saying for the past year that Scarlett is good enough to win an event so I guess I should be happy. But people are going a bit too crazy over it. Winning a tournament "on Korean soil" means a lot less once you realize that there were a grand total of two Koreans present, and Scarlett only played one of them, a guy so renowned for his inconsistency that the community was forced to create the narrative that he only plays his best in tournaments with a $100,000 first place prize. It kinda is true that sOs only plays his best in big money events. Well nowadays it's more he only cares about GSL. He said in an interview last year he's happy about the money he's won so far and just wants to win GSL, and other events he just tries to entertain fans. You can't really deny it when his games in crossfinals and SSL were memes, all the events he gets voted into he barely wins any maps, meanwhile he makes it to two GSL finals and a ro4. When people say sOs's skill increases when a lot is on the line there is some backing to it. He was the only guy to every pull of a reverse all-kill in proleague history right? Anyone with eyes can see that sOs didn't play, well, like sOs. He didn't bust out some crazy new cheese, he didn't go for anything super unexpected, he played pretty damn standard and not particularly well at that. On February 08 2018 05:40 Fango wrote:On February 08 2018 05:29 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 05:23 AUGcodon wrote:
I think a Semi-Finals GSL runs would cement Scarlet as a top-tier foreigner if she manages to keep her form up well. If RO16 goes the way everyone think it does, beating zest and leenock wouldn't be too 'impressive'. Winning against Dark or Soo in the quarterfinals should at least mean her ZvZ is top notch. For amusement's sake, I do hope she will meet sos in the semi-finals again. To validate the (insane) level of hype, Scarlett would have to defeat a top Korean Terran in GSL. Which is to say, INnoVation or TY. And that's probably not going to happen. Well she has done it before (not in GSL ofc), but Innovation or TY wouldn't lose to any foreign zerg. Outside of Dark or Solar they wouldn't lose to zerg in general Anything is possible, but I'm not holding my breath. Some people though, are buying into the overhype, hook, line, and sinker. Upsets happen. Consistency is what separates the best from the rest and Scarlett hasn't shown it. On February 08 2018 05:48 AUGcodon wrote:On February 08 2018 05:29 pvsnp wrote:On February 08 2018 05:23 AUGcodon wrote:
I think a Semi-Finals GSL runs would cement Scarlet as a top-tier foreigner if she manages to keep her form up well. If RO16 goes the way everyone think it does, beating zest and leenock wouldn't be too 'impressive'. Winning against Dark or Soo in the quarterfinals should at least mean her ZvZ is top notch. For amusement's sake, I do hope she will meet sos in the semi-finals again. To validate the (insane) level of hype, Scarlett would have to defeat a top Korean Terran in GSL. Which is to say, INnoVation or TY. And that's probably not going to happen. For max Pro/Anti Scarlet saltiness, I want RO16 Scarlet > Leenock + Zest RO8 Scarlet > Soo/Dark Ro4 Scarlet > Any group D toss that's not Trap Finals Scarlet < Innovation 0:4 Are you cheering for Scarlett or against her? He's cheering for mountains of salt like I am. My ideal scenario: Ro16 Scarlett 4-0 Zest, INno Ro8 Scarlett 3-0 Dark Ro4 Scarlett 4-0 Classic Finals Scarlett 0-4 aLive I'm ambivalent towards Scarlett, though mildly annoyed at her rabid fans. I don't particularly care how she does in GSL. Not sure why people like salt so much. Salt makes everything sweeter. More seriously, since I'm not really invested in any particular players in general, and more interested in seeing good games than anything else, might as well have "entertaining" results to accompany them.
I just cheer for Inno, don't much care about anyone else.
It annoys me when people are irrational though, as is often the case. Enthusiasm is not a substitute for sanity.
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I've been a fan of  sOs for years, even before I started playing Starcraft II. Until now.
I believed in his psionic powers. I watched him win 2 world championships with it.
Even though he failed to win a GSL, I believed in him. Until now.
Why? Because even if he failed miserably, he kept his cool and played smart. Not this last series.
I was screaming at my computer this whole series for him to just play safe openers since he's the better player in mid-game and late-game. Never happened.
The last game, I became an unbeliever (disbeliever?).
He couldn't make a @&^@&*%^ CLOSED WALL WITH 2 ADEPTS to defend a zergling all-in.
I'm sorry,  sOs. I don't care if you win the next tournament. I don't care if you play fancy vs. helpless Terrans like Special. I don't believe in you anymore, and I'm not going to start believing in you until you play with your head on again.
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To think she was originally disqualified from the qualifiers. Wow.
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Great play!!! GG !!!! MASSIVE congratz!!!
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On February 08 2018 08:20 EESCLuna wrote:Show nested quote +
Considering a lot of Protoss have also won too with a lot of cheese, it's justice.
Also, i'm pretty sure the preparation of Zest and sOs on this tournaments was like "Noobs foreigners everywhere, i will just train PvP for the final vs the other Protoss", while Scarlett played the tournament of her life.
Also sOs hasn't won a single tournament on LOTV (while Patience, Neeb, Zest, herO, Stats, Harstem, showtime, petitdrogo did).
And kor are not good at SC2 because they are kor, but because they have a special environnement where esport is more developped. And as Scarlett lives in korea, there is no reason she doesn't become as good as kor players.
So balance must be based on justice. Good argument.
The funny thing is while he has lost, he is now top1 for earnings.
Did you whine when Neeb won tournaments vs kor too ? I don't think so.
If sOs has lost it's his fault, not the balance. And it's not like they don't nerf a lot zerg with hydra nerf next patch.
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Well the thing is with sOs and his builds was that Scarlett was hyper aggressive early on, and cheeses generally work better against people who aren't going for aggression. And sometimes, Scarlett was aggressive before sOs could even pull off any cheeses.
I think part of the reason sOs looked so bad was because Scarlett pressured him into playing that way. sOs, before hitting Scarlett, was massacring Special, Kela, and DNS. Like the games weren't particularly close, and sOs was pulling off a lot of crazy stuff there.
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On February 07 2018 20:30 Yhamm wrote:
Who wrote this?
TL esports. Duh...
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That was an impressive series. I wanted her to win very badly and she played each game very well, even the one that she lost. I hope this can boost her confidence so that we can have similarly good showings in future tourneys including GSL!!
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