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Charoisaur
Germany15866 Posts
On December 27 2017 02:30 Fango wrote: Imagine the day they have to ban foreigners from GSL to stop them from doing well Right now top foreigners are better than low-mid tier koreans so banning them would make sense to allow those lower tier koreans to earn money from playing the game. It's not about preventing foreigners from doing well, it's for keeping the scene alive. | ||
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Haighstrom
United Kingdom194 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On December 27 2017 02:49 Charoisaur wrote: Right now top foreigners are better than low-mid tier koreans so banning them would make sense to allow those lower tier koreans to earn money from playing the game. It's not about preventing foreigners from doing well, it's for keeping the scene alive. Blizzard prefers foreigners , so they get their paycheck and kill the scene to die in ro32. But wow so cool Scarlett is in beating returning players and new generation ... | ||
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muppet70
Sweden72 Posts
4 of the protoss were winner bracket qualifiers. Biggest surprise for me is to see impact qualify, haven't seen him do well in years. Liquipedia: "After SK Telecom T1 disbanded on October 18, 2016, it was announced that Impact would be retiring." Good job Scarlett! only foreigner to pass through the needle so far. | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
After the patch INno played against him and was constantly crushed + he was near of 7k I think etc etc Even if he plays a really cheesy style. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
What year is dis? | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On December 27 2017 03:04 DieuCure wrote: Blizzard prefers foreigners , so they get their paycheck and kill the scene to die in ro32. But wow so cool Scarlett is in beating returning players and new generation ... There's a bit of a difference between when Koreans were killing the foreign scene by winning all their tournaments and whats going on here, foreigners are hardly killing the Korean scene by stealing a few Ro32 spots. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15866 Posts
On December 27 2017 03:26 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: There's a bit of a difference between when Koreans were killing the foreign scene by winning all their tournaments and whats going on here, foreigners are hardly killing the Korean scene by stealing a few Ro32 spots. If you only care about the very top players than they aren't damaging the korean scene but the lower tier koreans also want to make money playing the game. "stealing a few 32 spots" as you put it sounds so harmless but in reality they are ending careers. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On December 27 2017 02:49 Charoisaur wrote: Right now top foreigners are better than low-mid tier koreans so banning them would make sense to allow those lower tier koreans to earn money from playing the game. It's not about preventing foreigners from doing well, it's for keeping the scene alive. It's always been the case that the best foreigners can sometimes take out low-mid tier koreans. It would still be sad to see the global starcraft league become region locked because "foreigners got too good". The korean scene shouldn't need it's own welfare league. I don't think any of the korean players are salty enough to ask blizzcon to ban foreigners from GSL either edit: Banning foreigners from GSL gives us a stupid situation where top koreans are too good to play overseas, top foreigners are too good to play in korea. And that's all because a few of the korean elite are good enough to win every event. I think they should just remove region locking and let ro32 level players finish in ro32 every tournament like they're supposed to. I don't buy that tournament organisers don't like having faceless koreans win either, the biggest viewed tournaments are the ones with koreans in | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15866 Posts
On December 27 2017 03:35 Fango wrote: It's always been the case that the best foreigners can sometimes take out low-mid tier koreans. It would still be sad to see the global starcraft league become region locked because "foreigners got too good". The korean scene shouldn't need it's own welfare league. I don't think any of the korean players are salty enough to ask blizzcon to ban foreigners from GSL either Wait, locking GSL because foreigners are too good would be sad but locking WCS because koreans are too good is okay? | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On December 27 2017 01:41 Elentos wrote: On what basis? They can straight-up ban non-Koreans if they consider it an issue, no need to pretend the tournament is open and then rig it. On the basis that if a player like Dear or Cure doesn't make the GSL after being in a group with Solar and INnoVation, they are basically fucked. If a non-Korean doesn't make it out of that group and fails to make it out of day 2, they can go back and play WCS Circuit events. All things being equal, if a lower tier player is going to get boned by a bracket, that player shouldn't be the one with almost no other options. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 27 2017 03:34 Charoisaur wrote: If you only care about the very top players than they aren't damaging the korean scene but the lower tier koreans also want to make money playing the game. "stealing a few 32 spots" as you put it sounds so harmless but in reality they are ending careers. Korean tournament organizers are the ones who typically insist on incredibly top-heavy prize pools and tournament structures, which is much more harmful to the lower tier guys than a little foreign competition. Yet we don't see many complaints about that compared to the presence of foreigners... It gets hard to believe that you guys actually care about the well-being of the players rather than the Korean-foreigner dynamic. Calling you Korean elitists might be a bit off though since you're no longer using meritocratic arguments anymore since they don't help you. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On December 27 2017 03:35 Fango wrote: It's always been the case that the best foreigners can sometimes take out low-mid tier koreans. It would still be sad to see the global starcraft league become region locked because "foreigners got too good". The korean scene shouldn't need it's own welfare league. I don't think any of the korean players are salty enough to ask blizzcon to ban foreigners from GSL either In a world where 7/8 of the Koreans were the Ro8 for WCS AM and 6/8 of WCS EU ro8 were Korean, and these were the Koreans who had a tough time in Korea, I would say no, there was a time when foreigners could not even take on the mid-tier Koreans like Stardust, Hyun, Golden, and others. Right now, partially because of the drop in players, many foreigners can beat mid-tier Koreans, and some of the best foreigners can take on top tier Koreans. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On December 27 2017 03:26 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: There's a bit of a difference between when Koreans were killing the foreign scene by winning all their tournaments and whats going on here, foreigners are hardly killing the Korean scene by stealing a few Ro32 spots. Yes the next generation ( TangTang Pet Nightmare DRGling etc ) can't go full time because of foreigners, returning players to, then it discourage all the sub 32 or potentien returning player, no new blood, the scene die, because it's so cool to lose in ro32 considering you can make money from wcs  | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On December 27 2017 03:36 Charoisaur wrote: Wait, locking GSL because foreigners are too good would be sad but locking WCS because koreans are too good is okay? Well locking GSL would be sad because it's supposed to be the pinnacle of skill from the best players in the world, you'd have to take the "global" out of the name if it's turned into a welfare league for koreans btw I've been against region locking since it started. I think the current system fucks low-mid tier koreans because the elite are too good. An ideal situation would be all ro32 level players (foreign or korean) can compete everywhere, and the elite are restricted to a specific region. And even that sounds like a stupid idea tbh | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On December 27 2017 03:48 FrkFrJss wrote: In a world where 7/8 of the Koreans were the Ro8 for WCS AM and 6/8 of WCS EU ro8 were Korean, and these were the Koreans who had a tough time in Korea, I would say no, there was a time when foreigners could not even take on the mid-tier Koreans like Stardust, Hyun, Golden, and others. Right now, partially because of the drop in players, many foreigners can beat mid-tier Koreans, and some of the best foreigners can take on top tier Koreans. The best foreigners in HoTS (Snute, Scarlett, TLO, Lilbow, Bunny, Mana etc) could still take maps or sometimes series against koreans. Snute would have made blizzcon 2014 with no welfare league if Inno didn't clutch the last GSL run iirc. Koreans still won every event sure, but it wasn't foreigners couldn't survive past qualifiers | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15866 Posts
On December 27 2017 03:50 Fango wrote: Well locking GSL would be sad because it's supposed to be the pinnacle of skill from the best players in the world, you'd have to take the "global" out of the name if it's turned into a welfare league for koreans do you know what the W in WCS stands for? | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On December 27 2017 03:56 Charoisaur wrote: do you know what the W in WCS stands for? WCS is technically divided into two regions that collectively cover the entire world. You can't really restrict the Global Starcraft League to korea without changing the name | ||
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