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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
On October 22 2017 01:26 Vutalisk wrote: Are you even surprised about this when you see his signature? "ROOT_herO is overrated" He puts him down and tries to dismiss his wins all the time as well. | ||
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pond97
8 Posts
On October 22 2017 01:04 Fango wrote: Most of the top level protoss players could play like him if they really wanted to. His only admirable skill is choosing the right builds for each map. His actual execution/control/decision making/reactionary play isn't as impressive edit: don't think he wins blizzcon though. Toss isn't particularly broken right now, and herO doesn't have what it takes to win events when that's the case (although he looked legitimately good in ST2 which is rare) You are really mistaken if you honestly believe that, while he may not be the best protoss in terms of reactionary play and decision making his execution, control and multitasking is arguably the best of any protoss. Do you honestly think that any top protoss player could kill a zerg like dark with double archon drop 'if they really wanted to'? Your bias is really obstructing any reasonable analysis it seems. | ||
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
On October 22 2017 01:30 AWalker9 wrote: He puts him down and tries to dismiss his wins all the time as well. Well, he is either Zest or sOs's fanboy if I'm not mistaken. He seems to care a great deal about herO though. He bothered to change his signature from CJ_herO to ROOT_herO. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
I admire Stats for his impenetrable defense, Zest for his impeccable decisions, and sOs for his impossible builds, but herO brings nothing other than bullshit. Superbly executed bullshit, to be fair, but bullshit nonetheless. His ST1 victory relied entirely on abusing the hell out of Adept/Phoenix, and he slumped significantly with the Adept nerf. Nobody can ask for a better definition of patchtoss than that. In fairness, herO looked legitimately good in ST2, and I think he might be the best Protoss at the moment, but I also hope he falls early at Blizzcon. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On October 22 2017 00:48 yht9657 wrote: Yeah and every terran player is a fan of ByuN right? Well yea no shit | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On October 22 2017 01:54 pvsnp wrote: I can respect herO's trophies but not the playstyle that earned them. While he is undoubtedly a very skilled player, he is also undoubtedly a cheesy little shit. I admire Stats for his impenetrable defense, Zest for his impeccable decisions, and sOs for his impossible builds, but herO brings nothing other than bullshit. Superbly executed bullshit, to be fair, but bullshit nonetheless. His ST1 victory relied entirely on abusing the hell out of Adept/Phoenix, and he slumped significantly with the Adept nerf. Nobody can ask for a better definition of patchtoss than that. In fairness, herO looked legitimately good in ST2, and I think he might be the best Protoss at the moment, but I also hope he falls early at Blizzcon. I can't add anything to that. | ||
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bulya
Israel386 Posts
At what order will we get Stats, Dark, Rouge, and Innovation? | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On October 22 2017 02:10 bulya wrote: I would actually put herO above Stats when it comes with chances winning Blizzcon or getting far there. At what order will we get Stats, Dark, Rouge, and Innovation? Why do so many people misspell Rogue  At a guess, I would say: 4. Dark (no recent trophies) 3. Stats (dropped out early in ST) 2. Rogue (insane form) 1. Inno (because Inno) I expect one of those four to win Blizzcon. A grand finals with Rogue vs Inno or Dark vs Inno would be fucking epic. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On October 22 2017 02:10 bulya wrote:At what order will we get Stats, Dark, Rouge, and Innovation? 1) Innovation 2) Rogue 3) Stats 4) Dark | ||
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lechatnoir
386 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 22 2017 01:12 Durnuu wrote: I really disagree. I think herO lacks in the "smart" department but his execution is where he excels at. herO is the kind of guy to only go for one build no matter the map and stick with it. Who you're describing sounds more like sOs. herO's execution isn't exactly jaw-dropping, it's good but don't think it's something to hype up. People say his micro is amazing but I'm yet to see examples of him doing what other protosses can't. Playing a more micro heavy style (lots of agression with stalkers, warp prisms etc) than other protosses doesn't make him automatically the best either. His lategame army control and awareness certainly isn't. He tends to choose a specific build/strategy for each map and go for it. That build tends to either simply win or lose, close/back-and-forth games aren't common. Reactionary play also seems to be his weakness. This is why I've always said choosing builds is his best skill. He's preperation skills are underrated. (I've also always said that he only wins when protoss is broken, I guess people don't share that sentiment but he's yet to prove me wrong on that) | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 22 2017 01:43 Vutalisk wrote: Well, he is either Zest or sOs's fanboy if I'm not mistaken. He seems to care a great deal about herO though. He bothered to change his signature from CJ_herO to ROOT_herO. Well my opinion on herO didn't change but his team did :/ (and you're right about the Zest part but idk what that has to do with herO) | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
He tends to choose a specific build/strategy for each map and go for it. That build tends to either simply win or lose, close/back-and-forth games aren't common. Reactionary play also seems to be his weakness. This is why I've always said choosing builds is his best skill. He's preperation skills are underrated. (I've also always said that he only wins when terran is broken, I guess people don't share that sentiment but he's yet to prove me wrong on that) | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
herO is easier to devalue because his only win came from adept-pheonix being broken (and this was essentially confirmed by blizzard nerfing it soon after) | ||
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sharkie
Austria18407 Posts
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LTCM
174 Posts
On October 22 2017 02:59 Ej_ wrote: INnoVation's execution isn't exactly jaw-dropping, it's good but I don't think it's something to hype up. People say his macro is amazing but I'm yet to see examples of him doing what other terrans can;t. And playing a more macro heavy style (lots of command centers, mass expanding when out on the map etc) than most terrans doesn't make him automatically the best either. His early game vs protoss or mid game vs zerg certainly isn't. He tends to choose a specific build/strategy for each map and go for it. That build tends to either simply win or lose, close/back-and-forth games aren't common. Reactionary play also seems to be his weakness. This is why I've always said choosing builds is his best skill. He's preperation skills are underrated. (I've also always said that he only wins when terran is broken, I guess people don't share that sentiment but he's yet to prove me wrong on that) Post of the year right here. 99% of the hate herO gets is because he plays toss. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On October 22 2017 03:12 LTCM wrote: Post of the year right here. 99% of the hate herO gets is because he plays toss. Bullshit of the year right here. I'm a huge fan of Stats and Zest, but hate herO. Clean macro players of any race get more respect than dirty cheesers of any race, simple as that. Gtfo with your victim complex. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 22 2017 03:12 LTCM wrote: Post of the year right here. 99% of the hate herO gets is because he plays toss. I'm a big fan of Rain, Dear, Hurricane, MC, Stats, Zest, Has, and sOs. I don't mind guys like Classic, Trust, or Neeb either. So yh I don't think it's just because he plays toss | ||
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sharkie
Austria18407 Posts
On October 22 2017 03:14 pvsnp wrote: Bullshit of the year right here. I'm a huge fan of Stats and Zest, but hate herO. Clean macro players of any race get more respect than dirty cheesers of any race, simple as that. Gtfo with your victim complex. Zest and clean macro player in the same sentence. I am dieing of laughter right now | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
Also Zest is the ghost of his former self | ||
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