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herO: The Man Behind the Smile - Rank 5 - Road to BlizzCon

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herO: The Man Behind the Smile - Rank 5 - Road to BlizzCon

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
Graphics byshiroiusagi
October 21st, 2017 13:45 GMT
Photo Credit: Shayla
herO
Kim Joon Ho
ROOT Gaming


The Man Behind the Smile


by Zealously


A grin concludes the game, a giggle and clapping hands that radiate almost childish enthusiasm. The very same grin re-surfaces some time later, when the series concludes. (P)herO emerges from the booth, elated and triumphant. If he were someone else, the mood in the arena would have been far less celebratory. Because like a child whose ridiculous antics we can only forgive for how endearing they are, the one-time CJ ace is often given leave to freely violate the norms we have established for what is proper.

"herO's unerring sense for when the moment is right and his understanding for how to build toward such a moment is his greatest advantage."
Don't get me wrong - herO is unquestioningly polite, and has rarely displayed anything but good moods and contagious smiles. If there is one type of assassination that The Smiling Assassin has never sunk to, it is the assassination of character. He lets the game speak for itself more often than not, and bizarrely seems all the crueler in game the happier his demeanor out of it. For a player famous for his charming smile and affable behavior, herO carries a mean reputation. That Redeye dubbed him an assassin during the 2014 IEM Circuit was more than just spontaneity. The man who would eventually be the first to win three IEM titles was good at many things, but he had a penchant for one in particular: finding the moment to go for the jugular.

Among the things most glorified among Starcraft players, two stand out: being entertaining, and being willing to oblige the standard. Finesse in execution is second to explosive and drawn-out macro play, minute builds far inferior to the games that bounce back and forth because the player with the chance to end it failed to take it. herO continuously defies this norm. Like (Z)Life among Zerg players and (T)Mvp among Terrans, herO exhibits the particular ability to not just find a perfect moment, but to seize it. It is different from the antics of (P)sOs, who thrives in absurdity, or (P)PartinG, who often defined tournaments by doing his thing despite being predictable, knowing that the proper control would see his all-ins through no matter what. More so, herO's unerring sense for when the moment is right and his understanding for how to build toward such a moment is his greatest advantage.



Winrate


62.97% vs. Terran
71.43% vs. Protoss
63.94% vs. Zerg

Rank


Circuit Standings
7

WCS Points


6775



Rumors that practice is lacking have always circulated about Korean players. In the days of the old GSL Group Selections, it was as much a joke as it was a calculated ploy. Players would one-up one another in a race towards the bottom, a contest in who could convince the others that they were the worst at the moment. If we were to believe (P)Rain, he could barely practice at all, and somehow every player on SKT kept losing to everyone else in practice. Mvp could barely win a game, yet tournament victories kept coming. Sometimes it was hard to tell whether a player's form was the result of unfavorable conditions, or lacking enthusiasm for practice. herO is no stranger to this tradition, and allegedly has long bouts of little to no practice. The classic image of the Korean (KeSPA-bred) player is one of a practice monster, minted by Flash and Jaedong and their ilk, but spread far and wide in Starcraft II by the stories brought back by foreigners that went to practice overseas for a time. (P)NaNiwa and (P)SaSe would log 30, 40 or more games a day when they worked the hardest in the old StarTale house, and their results would plummet when they abandoned this practice regimen.

It seems crazy that a player would knowingly submit themselves to such a seemingly obvious risk for a downturn. But it has unquestionably happened, and herO has been a recurring offender. A player as hell-bent on fine-tuned execution as he has an even greater need for mechanical precision than most players. The difference between a winning build and a floundered tournament can be decided in measurements of seconds, and the difference is almost always palpable. But skipping out on a few extra games each day is neither strange nor unusual in an environment that promotes grueling work days and offers no tangible limit on how much practice input will produce a positive result output. For most, more practice is better, but there is a caveat: motivation fades.

herO, at his best, radiates enthusiasm. The importance of attitude might be a tired trope, but it is endlessly proven true. The players that put in the most work, the players that perform, are almost invariably the players that feel the most passionate about the endless climb of the ladder. One positive result often leads to another, and the best results tend to cluster. At his best, herO deviates from the expected and embraces the lethal. You can tell not only by the way his results go up and down with seasons, but by the way he surges to the top when he finds his groove. He isn't necessarily a maverick by nature, only one of those players that will abandon a previous game plan in favor of winning now. It is the ultimate goal of every player to be able to secure their victories earlier than expected, but few can do it the way herO does. He is at his best when the stakes are high, when his opponents might be wary of taking risks for fear of throwing everything away. He is at his best when he is allowed to go on the offensive, to relentlessly exploit weaknesses. There are no holds barred when herO plays, no forbidden chapter in the aptly named Book of Protoss Bullshit.

How do you best quantify skill in a player who purposely often plays outside the framework we use to evaluate it? Protoss players more than any other are scrutinized when they rely on aggression, scorched by both peers and fans when they use their toolbox to its fullest potential. (Z)Elazer wasn't just making a good-hearted joke when he bemoaned the nature of herO's 'abusive' play. When herO is in his groove, when his practice stars have aligned and his desire for his next trophy is at a peak, there is very little that can be done to stop him, and very few that can do it. And complain as they might, little of it seems to bother him. After all, his own unfortunate history has shown that he can be stopped, and the balls are in the courts of his opponents when it comes to doing it.

herO's career has seen no shortage of triumphs. From his groundbreaking IEM trifecta and his impeccable trustworthiness in Proleague to the championships won on foreign soil, herO has encapsulated many of the virtues of Korean Starcraft. Meticulousness, passion, joviality even when going through the motions of a particularly punishing career choice. He is comfortably in the conversation for Best Protoss players of all time, though he still stands steps away from the coveted podium for which less than a handful can contend. A Starleague champion and globetrotter both, there is no particular fault to his career - only the sense that there is more to be done, and more that could have been done. Perhaps it is a matter of practice and motivation for herO. 2016 stained his resume, stuck between two more successful years. Towards the end of 2017, however, herO looks to be back in tremendous shape. He has hit one of his highs at the exact right moment. In Anaheim, he has been afforded an opportunity: elevation, and achieving unquestionable permanence. When we remember herO in a few years, we may no longer talk of a player with huge ups and downs. We may no longer remember him as a man with a bright smile on his face, but as a World Champion. Whether we like it or not, a tournament like BlizzCon is a lasting legacy. In a heartbeat, he can cease being the player everyone only knew was great, but write in stone that he will never be overshadowed.








Writer: Zealously
Editor: Olli
Photo Credit: DreamHack, Shayla
Statistics: Aligulac
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 21 2017 13:53 GMT
#2
Good wrinting again.

herO is probably the player at this blizzcon that I dislike the most (well I REALLY dislike his playstyle) I really hope he won't go far in that tournament, even if I feel that he will go at least in semis =(
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-21 13:58:36
October 21 2017 13:55 GMT
#3
It seems herO had found a new self after breaking the curse of falling to sOs over and over again, his play at ST2 and Master's Coliseum was surprisingly good, the same old annoying style of him yet with much more confidence and precision in it.

He's always been competent in weekender tournaments so I expect him to do well at Blizzcon.
edit: I dislike him as well
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
October 21 2017 14:00 GMT
#4
On October 21 2017 22:53 Mun_Su wrote:
Good wrinting again.

herO is probably the player at this blizzcon that I dislike the most (well I REALLY dislike his playstyle) I really hope he won't go far in that tournament, even if I feel that he will go at least in semis =(


I agree, but at least it's a bit funny.

It should be a real pain to play against him.

But it would be sad if he wins the the blizzcon imo
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Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1798 Posts
October 21 2017 14:02 GMT
#5
herO has looked like an absolute beast in the last month or so. If that's gonna be indicative of his perfomance at Blizzcon, I'd definitely say he's the top protoss contender over Stats
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 21 2017 14:09 GMT
#6
Really great article. In the top 3 right now...but I have a feeling that may change.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Toudeleski
Profile Joined August 2011
United States66 Posts
October 21 2017 14:10 GMT
#7
100% disagree
glhf
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 21 2017 14:33 GMT
#8
Very strong contender for the title, and probably the one with the least fans.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-21 14:56:50
October 21 2017 14:53 GMT
#9
LOL. The hatred toward herO is absurd here but I love it. Hate his style all you want. No one can play like he does. Magnificent micro + solid macro + lethal aggression. Also fearless when it comes to crazy builds too unlike many copy/paste players out there.

Gogo herO!
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 21 2017 14:56 GMT
#10
On October 21 2017 23:00 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 22:53 Mun_Su wrote:
Good wrinting again.

herO is probably the player at this blizzcon that I dislike the most (well I REALLY dislike his playstyle) I really hope he won't go far in that tournament, even if I feel that he will go at least in semis =(


I agree, but at least it's a bit funny.

It should be a real pain to play against him.

But it would be sad if he wins the the blizzcon imo



I'd be sad if INno/soO don't win. Very sad if the winner is not at least Dark, TY, Stats or Rogue . Broke if it's herO that win everything. Also I assume that koreans programmers don't read TL, I don't want to be harsh because it's not fair but still really hate his playstyle.

PS: of course it will be fiesta if a For win but I expect nothing of them so...
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3493 Posts
October 21 2017 15:12 GMT
#11
On October 21 2017 23:33 Morbidius wrote:
Very strong contender for the title, and probably the one with the least fans.


Well I would say a lot of the old CJ fans would still cheer for him, as I do. Hopefully he makes a good run!
Horang2 fan
Saggymidgetbooty6969
Profile Joined September 2015
112 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-21 15:20:52
October 21 2017 15:20 GMT
#12
On October 21 2017 23:33 Morbidius wrote:
Very strong contender for the title, and probably the one with the least fans.

every protoss player is a fan of herO, but theres only like 5% of playerbase left playing protoss so you might be right
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 21 2017 15:38 GMT
#13
On October 22 2017 00:20 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 23:33 Morbidius wrote:
Very strong contender for the title, and probably the one with the least fans.

every protoss player is a fan of herO, but theres only like 5% of playerbase left playing protoss so you might be right

At most 35% of toss like herO. I know I don't.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
October 21 2017 15:43 GMT
#14
On October 21 2017 23:53 Vutalisk wrote:
LOL. The hatred toward herO is absurd here but I love it. Hate his style all you want. No one can play like he does. Magnificent micro + solid macro + lethal aggression. Also fearless when it comes to crazy builds too unlike many copy/paste players out there.

Gogo herO!

Reminiscent of 2013 Dear if I may be so bold
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 21 2017 15:48 GMT
#15
On October 22 2017 00:38 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2017 00:20 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
On October 21 2017 23:33 Morbidius wrote:
Very strong contender for the title, and probably the one with the least fans.

every protoss player is a fan of herO, but theres only like 5% of playerbase left playing protoss so you might be right

At most 35% of toss like herO. I know I don't.



I don't like a lot protoss but still be ok with Stats winning
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-21 15:49:52
October 21 2017 15:48 GMT
#16
On October 22 2017 00:20 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 23:33 Morbidius wrote:
Very strong contender for the title, and probably the one with the least fans.

every protoss player is a fan of herO, but theres only like 5% of playerbase left playing protoss so you might be right

Yeah and every terran player is a fan of ByuN right?
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-21 16:09:23
October 21 2017 16:04 GMT
#17
On October 21 2017 23:53 Vutalisk wrote:
LOL. The hatred toward herO is absurd here but I love it. Hate his style all you want. No one can play like he does. Magnificent micro + solid macro + lethal aggression. Also fearless when it comes to crazy builds too unlike many copy/paste players out there.

Gogo herO!


Most of the top level protoss players could play like him if they really wanted to. His only admirable skill is choosing the right builds for each map. His actual execution/control/decision making/reactionary play isn't as impressive

edit: don't think he wins blizzcon though. Toss isn't particularly broken right now, and herO doesn't have what it takes to win events when that's the case (although he looked legitimately good in ST2 which is rare)
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 21 2017 16:10 GMT
#18
On October 22 2017 01:04 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 23:53 Vutalisk wrote:
LOL. The hatred toward herO is absurd here but I love it. Hate his style all you want. No one can play like he does. Magnificent micro + solid macro + lethal aggression. Also fearless when it comes to crazy builds too unlike many copy/paste players out there.

Gogo herO!


Most of the top level protoss players could play like him if they really wanted to. His only admirable skill is choosing the right builds for each map. His actual execution/control/decision making/reactionary play isn't as impressive

edit: don't think he wins blizzcon though. Toss isn't particularly broken right now, and herO doesn't have what it takes to win events when that's the case (although he looked legitimately good in ST2 which is rare)

Delusional and ignorant.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
October 21 2017 16:12 GMT
#19
On October 22 2017 01:04 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 23:53 Vutalisk wrote:
LOL. The hatred toward herO is absurd here but I love it. Hate his style all you want. No one can play like he does. Magnificent micro + solid macro + lethal aggression. Also fearless when it comes to crazy builds too unlike many copy/paste players out there.

Gogo herO!


Most of the top level protoss players could play like him if they really wanted to. His only admirable skill is choosing the right builds for each map. His actual execution/control/decision making/reactionary play isn't as impressive

edit: don't think he wins blizzcon though. Toss isn't particularly broken right now, and herO doesn't have what it takes to win events when that's the case (although he looked legitimately good in ST2 which is rare)

I really disagree. I think herO lacks in the "smart" department but his execution is where he excels at. herO is the kind of guy to only go for one build no matter the map and stick with it.
Who you're describing sounds more like sOs.
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
October 21 2017 16:26 GMT
#20
On October 22 2017 01:10 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2017 01:04 Fango wrote:
On October 21 2017 23:53 Vutalisk wrote:
LOL. The hatred toward herO is absurd here but I love it. Hate his style all you want. No one can play like he does. Magnificent micro + solid macro + lethal aggression. Also fearless when it comes to crazy builds too unlike many copy/paste players out there.

Gogo herO!


Most of the top level protoss players could play like him if they really wanted to. His only admirable skill is choosing the right builds for each map. His actual execution/control/decision making/reactionary play isn't as impressive

edit: don't think he wins blizzcon though. Toss isn't particularly broken right now, and herO doesn't have what it takes to win events when that's the case (although he looked legitimately good in ST2 which is rare)

Delusional and ignorant.

Are you even surprised about this when you see his signature? "ROOT_herO is overrated"
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