• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:29
CEST 00:29
KST 07:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202522Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20259Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder3EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced38BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings EWC 2025 - Replay Pack #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update Serral wins EWC 2025
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder Shield Battery Server New Patch BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL] Non-Korean Championship - Final weekend [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Recover Binance Asset - Lost Recovery Masters Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Flash @ Namkraft Laddernet …
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 629 users

herO: The Man Behind the Smile - Rank 5 - Road to BlizzCon…

Forum Index > SC2 General
75 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 21 2017 18:34 GMT
#41
Can't have a thread without protoss players crying that people don't respect players that cheese all day.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-21 18:36:20
October 21 2017 18:34 GMT
#42
On October 22 2017 03:19 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2017 03:14 pvsnp wrote:
On October 22 2017 03:12 LTCM wrote:
On October 22 2017 02:59 Ej_ wrote:
INnoVation's execution isn't exactly jaw-dropping, it's good but I don't think it's something to hype up. People say his macro is amazing but I'm yet to see examples of him doing what other terrans can;t. And playing a more macro heavy style (lots of command centers, mass expanding when out on the map etc) than most terrans doesn't make him automatically the best either. His early game vs protoss or mid game vs zerg certainly isn't.

He tends to choose a specific build/strategy for each map and go for it. That build tends to either simply win or lose, close/back-and-forth games aren't common. Reactionary play also seems to be his weakness. This is why I've always said choosing builds is his best skill. He's preperation skills are underrated.

(I've also always said that he only wins when terran is broken, I guess people don't share that sentiment but he's yet to prove me wrong on that)


Post of the year right here. 99% of the hate herO gets is because he plays toss.

Bullshit of the year right here. I'm a huge fan of Stats and Zest, but hate herO. Clean macro players of any race get more respect than dirty cheesers of any race, simple as that.

Gtfo with your victim complex.


Zest and clean macro player in the same sentence. I am dieing of laughter right now


That's what he was for most of his career. Silly to deny it.

The herO hate is completely unwarranted though. He plays a brand of Protoss that's very aggressive and often aims to kill people early - so what? That's a brilliant skill to have. And it's not like he can't do the standard thing either, although there are players that are better suited to it.

Besides, if people don't like how Protoss wins in LotV, perhaps they should be asking for viable alternatives. But they really haven't been there in LotV.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
October 21 2017 18:39 GMT
#43
On October 22 2017 03:23 Mun_Su wrote:
People can't get over the fact that herO's playstile is one of the least likeable ever so they bring up the race argument. Well that doesn't work. (even I, who like a lot less protoss than Zerg and Terran, can like protoss like Classic, Rain, Feast, or Dear)


Also Zest is the ghost of his former self

His style may not be likable to you but don't assume everyone else thinks the same way. Also, herO simply uses all the tools in Protoss box to win. That makes him smart and resourceful. No need to play straight-up textbook like Stats. I find it is boring and uninspiring. If you think it is broken, by all mean, balance whine to Blizzard.

In the end of the day, he wins with his strong will and skills regardless his playstyle.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-21 18:45:26
October 21 2017 18:43 GMT
#44
On October 22 2017 03:19 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2017 03:14 pvsnp wrote:
On October 22 2017 03:12 LTCM wrote:
On October 22 2017 02:59 Ej_ wrote:
INnoVation's execution isn't exactly jaw-dropping, it's good but I don't think it's something to hype up. People say his macro is amazing but I'm yet to see examples of him doing what other terrans can;t. And playing a more macro heavy style (lots of command centers, mass expanding when out on the map etc) than most terrans doesn't make him automatically the best either. His early game vs protoss or mid game vs zerg certainly isn't.

He tends to choose a specific build/strategy for each map and go for it. That build tends to either simply win or lose, close/back-and-forth games aren't common. Reactionary play also seems to be his weakness. This is why I've always said choosing builds is his best skill. He's preperation skills are underrated.

(I've also always said that he only wins when terran is broken, I guess people don't share that sentiment but he's yet to prove me wrong on that)


Post of the year right here. 99% of the hate herO gets is because he plays toss.

Bullshit of the year right here. I'm a huge fan of Stats and Zest, but hate herO. Clean macro players of any race get more respect than dirty cheesers of any race, simple as that.

Gtfo with your victim complex.


Zest and clean macro player in the same sentence. I am dieing of laughter right now

Zest was a clean macro player for years. He built his name off being one. Laughing at your own ignorance?
And strictly speaking, "Zest" and "clean macro player" are not in fact in the same sentence. Also you misspelled "dying."

On October 22 2017 03:34 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2017 03:19 sharkie wrote:
On October 22 2017 03:14 pvsnp wrote:
On October 22 2017 03:12 LTCM wrote:
On October 22 2017 02:59 Ej_ wrote:
INnoVation's execution isn't exactly jaw-dropping, it's good but I don't think it's something to hype up. People say his macro is amazing but I'm yet to see examples of him doing what other terrans can;t. And playing a more macro heavy style (lots of command centers, mass expanding when out on the map etc) than most terrans doesn't make him automatically the best either. His early game vs protoss or mid game vs zerg certainly isn't.

He tends to choose a specific build/strategy for each map and go for it. That build tends to either simply win or lose, close/back-and-forth games aren't common. Reactionary play also seems to be his weakness. This is why I've always said choosing builds is his best skill. He's preperation skills are underrated.

(I've also always said that he only wins when terran is broken, I guess people don't share that sentiment but he's yet to prove me wrong on that)


Post of the year right here. 99% of the hate herO gets is because he plays toss.

Bullshit of the year right here. I'm a huge fan of Stats and Zest, but hate herO. Clean macro players of any race get more respect than dirty cheesers of any race, simple as that.

Gtfo with your victim complex.


Zest and clean macro player in the same sentence. I am dieing of laughter right now


Besides, if people don't like how Protoss wins in LotV, perhaps they should be asking for viable alternatives. But they really haven't been there in LotV.

Stats is renowned for playing a defensive macro style, and is the most successful Protoss player of LotV, Seems viable enough to me.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
October 21 2017 18:44 GMT
#45
On October 22 2017 03:11 sharkie wrote:
First time herO cannot be kicked out by classic in a blizzcon? :p

Damn straight, mate! Both herO's nemesis Classic and sOs are not at BlizzCon. This is as good as it gets for herO .
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-21 18:55:16
October 21 2017 18:47 GMT
#46
On October 22 2017 03:39 Vutalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2017 03:23 Mun_Su wrote:
People can't get over the fact that herO's playstile is one of the least likeable ever so they bring up the race argument. Well that doesn't work. (even I, who like a lot less protoss than Zerg and Terran, can like protoss like Classic, Rain, Feast, or Dear)


Also Zest is the ghost of his former self

His style may not be likable to you but don't assume everyone else thinks the same way. Also, herO simply uses all the tools in Protoss box to win. That makes him smart and resourceful. No need to play straight-up textbook like Stats. I find it is boring and uninspiring. If you think it is broken, by all mean, balance whine to Blizzard.

In the end of the day, he wins with his strong will and skills regardless his playstyle.

Of course herO has the right to choose his own style. And the fans have the right to hate him for it (if they so choose).

I really don't think it's an exaggeration to say that dirty cheesers are less popular and/or less respected than clean macro players. I mean, just look at the way they are named "dirty" and "clean." Do you disagree?

herO's playstyle is hardly broken, seeing as he has been far less successful than Stats in 2017. Rather, herO's playstyle is simply disgusting to watch. I can respect his wins, but I can't respect his play.

The Great Book of Protoss Bullshit was named as such because it is full of bullshit, not gourmet cheese and fine wine.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
October 21 2017 19:23 GMT
#47
I will say that I don't dislike herO purely for his playstyle. Nothing's inherently wrong with being cheesy. I just think he tends to rely on balance issues to win, and isn't on the same level as other protosses when it comes to the wide skillbook of sc2.

And I will stand by my point that he only wins when protoss is OP until proven otherwise. ST1 was a joke in terms of balance.

(also I don't blindly hate him and dismiss his wins like people are saying. When he has legit good performances I credit him for it, ST2 was an example of that)
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
October 21 2017 19:37 GMT
#48
On October 22 2017 03:47 pvsnp wrote:I really don't think it's an exaggeration to say that dirty cheesers are less popular and/or less respected than clean macro players. I mean, just look at the way they are named "dirty" and "clean." Do you disagree?

ByuN is or was super popular and he was a dirty cheeser. He might be the dirtiest cheeser of all time since he had one and it was so OP that people would know it was coming and still lose to it.
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 21 2017 19:44 GMT
#49
On October 22 2017 04:37 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2017 03:47 pvsnp wrote:I really don't think it's an exaggeration to say that dirty cheesers are less popular and/or less respected than clean macro players. I mean, just look at the way they are named "dirty" and "clean." Do you disagree?

ByuN is or was super popular and he was a dirty cheeser. He might be the dirtiest cheeser of all time since he had one and it was so OP that people would know it was coming and still lose to it.



Mass reaper disgusted everyone when we slowly realised that it wasn't just insane micro from one player but that could be abused by a couple more terrans, and it get nerfed hard
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
October 21 2017 19:56 GMT
#50
On October 22 2017 03:47 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2017 03:39 Vutalisk wrote:
On October 22 2017 03:23 Mun_Su wrote:
People can't get over the fact that herO's playstile is one of the least likeable ever so they bring up the race argument. Well that doesn't work. (even I, who like a lot less protoss than Zerg and Terran, can like protoss like Classic, Rain, Feast, or Dear)


Also Zest is the ghost of his former self

His style may not be likable to you but don't assume everyone else thinks the same way. Also, herO simply uses all the tools in Protoss box to win. That makes him smart and resourceful. No need to play straight-up textbook like Stats. I find it is boring and uninspiring. If you think it is broken, by all mean, balance whine to Blizzard.

In the end of the day, he wins with his strong will and skills regardless his playstyle.

Of course herO has the right to choose his own style. And the fans have the right to hate him for it (if they so choose).

I really don't think it's an exaggeration to say that dirty cheesers are less popular and/or less respected than clean macro players. I mean, just look at the way they are named "dirty" and "clean." Do you disagree?

herO's playstyle is hardly broken, seeing as he has been far less successful than Stats in 2017. Rather, herO's playstyle is simply disgusting to watch. I can respect his wins, but I can't respect his play.

The Great Book of Protoss Bullshit was named as such because it is full of bullshit, not gourmet cheese and fine wine.


I don't like cheese as much as the next person but it is the legit way to play. So be it. I would call herO as an "aggressor" than a cheeser. That title should belong to sOs or Has instead. Frankly, any race has its own Disgusting Book of BS. What else is new? There is no such thing is gourmet cheese or fine wine when it comes to cheese. I hope you not try to elevate sOs or Has' BS as some sort of "gourmet cheese".
KappaKingPrime
Profile Joined May 2014
United States468 Posts
October 21 2017 20:03 GMT
#51
Most entertaining player to watch, I hope he goes deep.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-21 20:20:36
October 21 2017 20:06 GMT
#52
On October 22 2017 04:56 Vutalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2017 03:47 pvsnp wrote:
On October 22 2017 03:39 Vutalisk wrote:
On October 22 2017 03:23 Mun_Su wrote:
People can't get over the fact that herO's playstile is one of the least likeable ever so they bring up the race argument. Well that doesn't work. (even I, who like a lot less protoss than Zerg and Terran, can like protoss like Classic, Rain, Feast, or Dear)


Also Zest is the ghost of his former self

His style may not be likable to you but don't assume everyone else thinks the same way. Also, herO simply uses all the tools in Protoss box to win. That makes him smart and resourceful. No need to play straight-up textbook like Stats. I find it is boring and uninspiring. If you think it is broken, by all mean, balance whine to Blizzard.

In the end of the day, he wins with his strong will and skills regardless his playstyle.

Of course herO has the right to choose his own style. And the fans have the right to hate him for it (if they so choose).

I really don't think it's an exaggeration to say that dirty cheesers are less popular and/or less respected than clean macro players. I mean, just look at the way they are named "dirty" and "clean." Do you disagree?

herO's playstyle is hardly broken, seeing as he has been far less successful than Stats in 2017. Rather, herO's playstyle is simply disgusting to watch. I can respect his wins, but I can't respect his play.

The Great Book of Protoss Bullshit was named as such because it is full of bullshit, not gourmet cheese and fine wine.


I don't like cheese as much as the next person but it is the legit way to play. So be it. I would call herO as an "aggressor" than a cheeser. That title should belong to sOs or Has instead. Frankly, any race has its own Disgusting Book of BS. What else is new? There is no such thing is gourmet cheese or fine wine when it comes to cheese. I hope you not try to elevate sOs or Has' BS as some sort of "gourmet cheese".

While I am definitely not a fan of Has or sOs, I do prefer their playstyle over herO's. Though they are undeniably cheesy players, both sOs and Has have an endearing ingenuity about them, a creative flair that allows them to pioneer new builds/strategies that no other player has even dreamed of attempting. Double proxy robo, for instance, or the original mass Oracle.

I may not be a fan, but at the same time I have to give sOs/Has my grudging respect because they can play a crazy awesome playstyle that somehow manages to produce victory at the end of the day. Their abusive bullshit is overshadowed by their sheer élan. They have style.

Not so with herO. I've never seen him show any hint of that unique mad brilliance that sets sOs/Has apart, and without that élan, herO is just a dirty cheeser abusing the worst aspects of his race in my eyes.

On October 22 2017 04:37 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2017 03:47 pvsnp wrote:I really don't think it's an exaggeration to say that dirty cheesers are less popular and/or less respected than clean macro players. I mean, just look at the way they are named "dirty" and "clean." Do you disagree?

ByuN is or was super popular and he was a dirty cheeser. He might be the dirtiest cheeser of all time since he had one and it was so OP that people would know it was coming and still lose to it.

ByuN is super popular because of his endearing personality and fairytale story. It's very hard to hate a hardworking underdog with a cute puppy who wears his heart on his sleeve and rises to the pinnacle of Starcraft after years of exile
in disgrace.

His fanboys defended his admittedly abusive 3rax-ing because he is super popular, not the other way around. ByuN was popular despite his playstyle, not because of it.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 21 2017 20:55 GMT
#53
On October 22 2017 05:06 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2017 04:56 Vutalisk wrote:
On October 22 2017 03:47 pvsnp wrote:
On October 22 2017 03:39 Vutalisk wrote:
On October 22 2017 03:23 Mun_Su wrote:
People can't get over the fact that herO's playstile is one of the least likeable ever so they bring up the race argument. Well that doesn't work. (even I, who like a lot less protoss than Zerg and Terran, can like protoss like Classic, Rain, Feast, or Dear)


Also Zest is the ghost of his former self

His style may not be likable to you but don't assume everyone else thinks the same way. Also, herO simply uses all the tools in Protoss box to win. That makes him smart and resourceful. No need to play straight-up textbook like Stats. I find it is boring and uninspiring. If you think it is broken, by all mean, balance whine to Blizzard.

In the end of the day, he wins with his strong will and skills regardless his playstyle.

Of course herO has the right to choose his own style. And the fans have the right to hate him for it (if they so choose).

I really don't think it's an exaggeration to say that dirty cheesers are less popular and/or less respected than clean macro players. I mean, just look at the way they are named "dirty" and "clean." Do you disagree?

herO's playstyle is hardly broken, seeing as he has been far less successful than Stats in 2017. Rather, herO's playstyle is simply disgusting to watch. I can respect his wins, but I can't respect his play.

The Great Book of Protoss Bullshit was named as such because it is full of bullshit, not gourmet cheese and fine wine.


I don't like cheese as much as the next person but it is the legit way to play. So be it. I would call herO as an "aggressor" than a cheeser. That title should belong to sOs or Has instead. Frankly, any race has its own Disgusting Book of BS. What else is new? There is no such thing is gourmet cheese or fine wine when it comes to cheese. I hope you not try to elevate sOs or Has' BS as some sort of "gourmet cheese".

While I am definitely not a fan of Has or sOs, I do prefer their playstyle over herO's. Though they are undeniably cheesy players, both sOs and Has have an endearing ingenuity about them, a creative flair that allows them to pioneer new builds/strategies that no other player has even dreamed of attempting. Double proxy robo, for instance, or the original mass Oracle.

I may not be a fan, but at the same time I have to give sOs/Has my grudging respect because they can play a crazy awesome playstyle that somehow manages to produce victory at the end of the day. Their abusive bullshit is overshadowed by their sheer élan. They have style.

Not so with herO. I've never seen him show any hint of that unique mad brilliance that sets sOs/Has apart, and without that élan, herO is just a dirty cheeser abusing the worst aspects of his race in my eyes.

Show nested quote +
On October 22 2017 04:37 Boggyb wrote:
On October 22 2017 03:47 pvsnp wrote:I really don't think it's an exaggeration to say that dirty cheesers are less popular and/or less respected than clean macro players. I mean, just look at the way they are named "dirty" and "clean." Do you disagree?

ByuN is or was super popular and he was a dirty cheeser. He might be the dirtiest cheeser of all time since he had one and it was so OP that people would know it was coming and still lose to it.

ByuN is super popular because of his endearing personality and fairytale story. It's very hard to hate a hardworking underdog with a cute puppy who wears his heart on his sleeve and rises to the pinnacle of Starcraft after years of exile
in disgrace.

His fanboys defended his admittedly abusive 3rax-ing because he is super popular, not the other way around. ByuN was popular despite his playstyle, not because of it.

Byun barely used reapers for his GSL win, in fact i'm not sure if he used 3 rax reaper at all.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
curufinwe_wins
Profile Joined August 2017
68 Posts
October 21 2017 20:59 GMT
#54
Dirty cheeser.... I'm sorry is the goal of this game to win or not?

The smellier the cheese the better. All races, all levels of play. Cheese is all or nothing. High risk, high reward. Watching those succeed or fail is great.

(And yes, I do actually love high tier long macro games as well, but I'd rather watch both over Hydra Bane Busts, Adept Phoenix all-ins, or 1-1-1 Timings)
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
October 21 2017 21:06 GMT
#55
On October 22 2017 04:56 Vutalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2017 03:47 pvsnp wrote:
On October 22 2017 03:39 Vutalisk wrote:
On October 22 2017 03:23 Mun_Su wrote:
People can't get over the fact that herO's playstile is one of the least likeable ever so they bring up the race argument. Well that doesn't work. (even I, who like a lot less protoss than Zerg and Terran, can like protoss like Classic, Rain, Feast, or Dear)


Also Zest is the ghost of his former self

His style may not be likable to you but don't assume everyone else thinks the same way. Also, herO simply uses all the tools in Protoss box to win. That makes him smart and resourceful. No need to play straight-up textbook like Stats. I find it is boring and uninspiring. If you think it is broken, by all mean, balance whine to Blizzard.

In the end of the day, he wins with his strong will and skills regardless his playstyle.

Of course herO has the right to choose his own style. And the fans have the right to hate him for it (if they so choose).

I really don't think it's an exaggeration to say that dirty cheesers are less popular and/or less respected than clean macro players. I mean, just look at the way they are named "dirty" and "clean." Do you disagree?

herO's playstyle is hardly broken, seeing as he has been far less successful than Stats in 2017. Rather, herO's playstyle is simply disgusting to watch. I can respect his wins, but I can't respect his play.

The Great Book of Protoss Bullshit was named as such because it is full of bullshit, not gourmet cheese and fine wine.


I don't like cheese as much as the next person but it is the legit way to play. So be it. I would call herO as an "aggressor" than a cheeser. That title should belong to sOs or Has instead. Frankly, any race has its own Disgusting Book of BS. What else is new? There is no such thing is gourmet cheese or fine wine when it comes to cheese. I hope you not try to elevate sOs or Has' BS as some sort of "gourmet cheese".

sOs going proxy 2 gate against herO in consecutive games might be the single greatest instance of strategic play in SC2 history. That was absolutely "gourmet cheese".
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
October 21 2017 21:47 GMT
#56
On October 22 2017 03:11 sharkie wrote:
First time herO cannot be kicked out by classic in a blizzcon? :p

Unfortunately
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 21 2017 21:49 GMT
#57
On October 22 2017 05:59 curufinwe_wins wrote:
Dirty cheeser.... I'm sorry is the goal of this game to win or not?

The smellier the cheese the better. All races, all levels of play. Cheese is all or nothing. High risk, high reward. Watching those succeed or fail is great.

(And yes, I do actually love high tier long macro games as well, but I'd rather watch both over Hydra Bane Busts, Adept Phoenix all-ins, or 1-1-1 Timings)



and are you, are we playing when we watch them ? We didn't put down his achievements. As viewers, we may have preference, and herO is the player I dislike the most, that's all; when he play I often turn the stream off, because I don't find any enjoyment at seeing him play, so what's the point of watching esport if you don't enjoy yourself ? That's all.
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
beepbeeeeeeep
Profile Joined February 2017
145 Posts
October 21 2017 21:59 GMT
#58
On October 22 2017 02:48 Fango wrote:

herO's execution isn't exactly jaw-dropping, it's good but don't think it's something to hype up. People say his micro is amazing but I'm yet to see examples of him doing what other protosses can't. Playing a more micro heavy style (lots of agression with stalkers, warp prisms etc) than other protosses doesn't make him automatically the best either. His lategame army control and awareness certainly isn't.



I've always liked this little display of micro from hero

curufinwe_wins
Profile Joined August 2017
68 Posts
October 21 2017 22:06 GMT
#59
On October 22 2017 06:49 Mun_Su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2017 05:59 curufinwe_wins wrote:
Dirty cheeser.... I'm sorry is the goal of this game to win or not?

The smellier the cheese the better. All races, all levels of play. Cheese is all or nothing. High risk, high reward. Watching those succeed or fail is great.

(And yes, I do actually love high tier long macro games as well, but I'd rather watch both over Hydra Bane Busts, Adept Phoenix all-ins, or 1-1-1 Timings)



and are you, are we playing when we watch them ? We didn't put down his achievements. As viewers, we may have preference, and herO is the player I dislike the most, that's all; when he play I often turn the stream off, because I don't find any enjoyment at seeing him play, so what's the point of watching esport if you don't enjoy yourself ? That's all.



Hmm? Anyways, I was merely saying I love watching cheese. I love watching meta defying builds and games. It is way more interesting than a stupid 1-1-1 timing we have seen literally 1000 times or PvZ hydra bane busts.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
October 21 2017 22:22 GMT
#60
Say what you want about herO, but his execution has always been so top notch. I never considered him a particularly amazing reactionary player, but he would just execute builds with such precision and great killer instinct.

But ST2 changed my perspective of herO after watching him for years. Many of his wins particularly in PvP were not "choose abusive build and execute" at all. I thought his decision making in a bunch of those games were incredible. He showed flexibility, he showed really calculated risks that really paid off, and he showed a scary amount of diversity in his play. I have a new found respect for herO's reactionary play, he's basically become sOs with much better mechanics, unpredictable and thriving in weird situations. Before, if herO had a build that was working a lot in the meta, he would literally just do it every game. Nowadays, no-one knows what herO is going to do, even if you scout him.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 31m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 151
Nathanias 148
Livibee 107
ForJumy 63
Nina 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 428
ggaemo 362
Aegong 65
NaDa 43
Dota 2
syndereN826
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Grubby5155
Counter-Strike
byalli415
Stewie2K347
Foxcn294
taco 164
Other Games
summit1g7907
shahzam798
monkeys_forever304
C9.Mang0190
Maynarde73
ZombieGrub49
Sick44
ViBE37
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH105
• davetesta65
• Hupsaiya 45
• sitaska43
• musti20045 34
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix18
• Azhi_Dahaki1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22120
League of Legends
• Doublelift4986
• TFBlade793
Other Games
• imaqtpie1396
• Scarra617
Upcoming Events
DaveTesta Events
2h 31m
The PondCast
11h 31m
Online Event
17h 31m
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs TBD
Online Event
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs TBD
OSC
5 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
Yuqilin POB S2
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.