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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 21 2017 22:02 GMT
#21
On September 22 2017 06:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Faster overlords is a godsend even if it's only a 10% increase.


Sure, free ups are godsend for any race, but why ?
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JackONeill
Profile Joined September 2013
861 Posts
September 21 2017 22:12 GMT
#22
Overlords already got a speed buff and are already decently fast. Buffing it more will just make aggression against zerg very, very hard.

Why buff the overlord's speed for scouting purposes where a mere 100/100 can grant zerg undisputed and safe early vision of the entire map and the opponent's base?
Enough with the random zerg buffs please.
LTCM
Profile Joined May 2017
174 Posts
September 21 2017 22:32 GMT
#23
Here we are and they still don't have the removal of the MSC figured out. And at this point they won't be able to do it with the test map. People's interest in the test server has evaporated and finding high level partners is problematic. We just don't get enough data to even tell for certain if new changes are the correct ones.

You're forcing every protoss player to literally relearn entirely new ways to play the game. To compensate for this you should provide a crutch to help with the process. Something which will help the race maintain it's footing and can be reverted later.

I do believe after six months of live data the team will have these changes balanced. The problem is we know for certain which race will under achieve during those six months and that's wrong.
Byun is a convicted match-fixer.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
September 21 2017 22:34 GMT
#24
On September 22 2017 07:01 highsis wrote:
I hate oracle changes. It's been only like weeks since Classic first showed mass oracle strategy, which had never even been dominant, and it's already getting nerfed? It was an interesting strategy to watch.

Found the Protoss
Denominator of the Universe
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Snarosc
Profile Joined January 2016
France66 Posts
September 21 2017 22:35 GMT
#25
On September 22 2017 07:34 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2017 07:01 highsis wrote:
I hate oracle changes. It's been only like weeks since Classic first showed mass oracle strategy, which had never even been dominant, and it's already getting nerfed? It was an interesting strategy to watch.

Found the Protoss


Found the usual anti-protoss Terran.
Stats is the best player of LotV.
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
September 21 2017 22:36 GMT
#26
wow I should balance whine from now on, it seems to work well.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
September 21 2017 22:37 GMT
#27
On September 22 2017 07:02 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2017 06:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Faster overlords is a godsend even if it's only a 10% increase.


Sure, free ups are godsend for any race, but why ?

Early game scouting is easier, let's you see those pesky cheeses quicker. Pretty self explanatory stuff, it's just a nice boost that fits the speed of LotV a little better
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KR_4EVR
Profile Joined July 2017
316 Posts
September 21 2017 22:48 GMT
#28
The problem with overlord scouting is actually that the vertical distance (shortest distance between home bases) on most maps these days is too large. It is NOT an issue with overlord speed, which you can make insanely fast for a cheap upgrade. If you want a large map, just make the horizontal distances larger.

Even making the map like Pac-man would be a better fix than increasing base overlord speed.
Et tu Brute ?
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-21 22:58:04
September 21 2017 22:49 GMT
#29
On September 22 2017 07:35 Snarosc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2017 07:34 pvsnp wrote:
On September 22 2017 07:01 highsis wrote:
I hate oracle changes. It's been only like weeks since Classic first showed mass oracle strategy, which had never even been dominant, and it's already getting nerfed? It was an interesting strategy to watch.

Found the Protoss


Found the usual anti-protoss Terran.

Found the guy who guessed wrong.

Oh wait, are you the Snaro who incessantly bitches about Terran in every twitch chat I've seen? The guy who could pass as avilo if avilo played Protoss?

In that case, I'm delighted that you disagree. Now if you agreed, then I'd be worried.....
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 21 2017 22:57 GMT
#30
On September 22 2017 07:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2017 07:02 DieuCure wrote:
On September 22 2017 06:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Faster overlords is a godsend even if it's only a 10% increase.


Sure, free ups are godsend for any race, but why ?

Early game scouting is easier, let's you see those pesky cheeses quicker. Pretty self explanatory stuff, it's just a nice boost that fits the speed of LotV a little better


It is already 2 * faster than HoTS ...
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Limniscate
Profile Joined October 2010
United States84 Posts
September 21 2017 23:01 GMT
#31
Is the test server down?
Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-21 23:02:24
September 21 2017 23:01 GMT
#32
All changes look good to me.

The amount of whining against Z is ridiculous. A minor change in speed of overlords which allows the overlords to arrive at the opponent's base a bit faster. It is harmless in general and people whine excessively about it. But then when Blizzard decided to buff the Thor extra +1 armor for no reason, Terran downplayed it as nothing. You guys are the simply the "best".
Snarosc
Profile Joined January 2016
France66 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-21 23:05:28
September 21 2017 23:04 GMT
#33
On September 22 2017 07:49 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2017 07:35 Snarosc wrote:
On September 22 2017 07:34 pvsnp wrote:
On September 22 2017 07:01 highsis wrote:
I hate oracle changes. It's been only like weeks since Classic first showed mass oracle strategy, which had never even been dominant, and it's already getting nerfed? It was an interesting strategy to watch.

Found the Protoss


Found the usual anti-protoss Terran.

Found the guy who guessed wrong.

Oh wait, are you the Snaro who incessantly bitches about Terran in every twitch chat I've seen? The guy who could pass as avilo if avilo played Protoss?

In that case, I'm delighted that you disagree. Now if you agreed, then I'd be worried.....


How many times will you edit that post ?

And come on, don't tell me you ever take this twitch chat seriously. I'm already subbed to Avilo, the irony for a Protoss who supposedly "hates" Terran right ? (I know, I should get a ban just for that)


Anyway, 3 nerfs to 1 unit in 1 patch, that's a first. Not sure if Protoss is the race that should be nerfed in PvZ IF there was one race to be nerfed.
Stats is the best player of LotV.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 21 2017 23:06 GMT
#34
On September 22 2017 08:04 Snarosc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2017 07:49 pvsnp wrote:
On September 22 2017 07:35 Snarosc wrote:
On September 22 2017 07:34 pvsnp wrote:
On September 22 2017 07:01 highsis wrote:
I hate oracle changes. It's been only like weeks since Classic first showed mass oracle strategy, which had never even been dominant, and it's already getting nerfed? It was an interesting strategy to watch.

Found the Protoss


Found the usual anti-protoss Terran.

Found the guy who guessed wrong.

Oh wait, are you the Snaro who incessantly bitches about Terran in every twitch chat I've seen? The guy who could pass as avilo if avilo played Protoss?

In that case, I'm delighted that you disagree. Now if you agreed, then I'd be worried.....


How many times will you edit that post ?

And come on, don't tell me you ever take this twitch chat seriously. I'm already subbed to Avilo, the irony for a Protoss who supposedly "hates" Terran right ?


Anyway, 3 nerfs to 1 unit in 1 patch, that's a first. Not sure if Protoss is the race that should be nerfed in PvZ IF there was one race to be nerfed.


Your firsts post on TL are against terran.

You aren't the smart one here .
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franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
September 21 2017 23:10 GMT
#35
Classic introduces mass oracle and PvZ winrates normalize to 50%, better nerf it so we go back to 43% again
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
September 21 2017 23:17 GMT
#36
I'm not playing SC2 nowadays. Has the last major balance patch changed the game significantly? How is it different for protoss?
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-21 23:24:19
September 21 2017 23:21 GMT
#37
On September 22 2017 08:04 Snarosc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2017 07:49 pvsnp wrote:
On September 22 2017 07:35 Snarosc wrote:
On September 22 2017 07:34 pvsnp wrote:
On September 22 2017 07:01 highsis wrote:
I hate oracle changes. It's been only like weeks since Classic first showed mass oracle strategy, which had never even been dominant, and it's already getting nerfed? It was an interesting strategy to watch.

Found the Protoss


Found the usual anti-protoss Terran.

Found the guy who guessed wrong.

Oh wait, are you the Snaro who incessantly bitches about Terran in every twitch chat I've seen? The guy who could pass as avilo if avilo played Protoss?

In that case, I'm delighted that you disagree. Now if you agreed, then I'd be worried.....


How many times will you edit that post ?

And come on, don't tell me you ever take this twitch chat seriously. I'm already subbed to Avilo, the irony for a Protoss who supposedly "hates" Terran right ? (I know, I should get a ban just for that)


Anyway, 3 nerfs to 1 unit in 1 patch, that's a first. Not sure if Protoss is the race that should be nerfed in PvZ IF there was one race to be nerfed.

I've never seen you anywhere besides Twitch chat, what am I supposed to go off? As far as first impressions on TL go, you haven't exactly impressed either.

A known Protoss whiner starts whining on TL. Gee, I wonder what the response will be.

If you want to change peoples' minds, you have to make an effort.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Sogetsu
Profile Joined July 2011
514 Posts
September 21 2017 23:25 GMT
#38
On September 22 2017 08:04 Snarosc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2017 07:49 pvsnp wrote:
On September 22 2017 07:35 Snarosc wrote:
On September 22 2017 07:34 pvsnp wrote:
On September 22 2017 07:01 highsis wrote:
I hate oracle changes. It's been only like weeks since Classic first showed mass oracle strategy, which had never even been dominant, and it's already getting nerfed? It was an interesting strategy to watch.

Found the Protoss


Found the usual anti-protoss Terran.

Found the guy who guessed wrong.

Oh wait, are you the Snaro who incessantly bitches about Terran in every twitch chat I've seen? The guy who could pass as avilo if avilo played Protoss?

In that case, I'm delighted that you disagree. Now if you agreed, then I'd be worried.....


How many times will you edit that post ?

And come on, don't tell me you ever take this twitch chat seriously. I'm already subbed to Avilo, the irony for a Protoss who supposedly "hates" Terran right ? (I know, I should get a ban just for that)


Anyway, 3 nerfs to 1 unit in 1 patch, that's a first. Not sure if Protoss is the race that should be nerfed in PvZ IF there was one race to be nerfed.


You are the one who can't be taken seriously, and you even confirm that, what the heck?

About the changes they look nice, I enjoyed a lot playing Protoss, it reminds me of the old nice WoL days, like WhiteRa taught us "We expand then defend", not "Expand and YOLO, get Pylons and 1 MotherCore".
I am worried about the Adept vision change tho... but since Mother Core is not a problem anymore I think they will be "Ok" and not needing a nerf (even if most players start abusing them for All In again)

Also something I noticed is Stalkers are now again a way to go for All In or at least early pressure since Blink is still good and Upgrades give +2, scout will be even more important than before for all races and I understand the Zerg change because of that.

The only think I disliked is the nerf to Stasis Wards... I don't know, why do they need to put a nerf to its time? It is almost like Creep IMO, you set it there and unless your enemy don't try to clear it up it's your map vision and your tool to play with, I don't care about the Stasis Ward not affectinv Larvae but I hate it getting a timing on it and it is not really large, since you spam it when your Oracles can't harass and has full enegy, but bow it will be worthless and you need to start the cast of them when you see your enemy moving... so they arrive and you don't have energy for Pulsar Beam lol
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JWD[9]
Profile Blog Joined November 2015
364 Posts
September 21 2017 23:28 GMT
#39
On September 22 2017 08:17 sc-darkness wrote:
I'm not playing SC2 nowadays. Has the last major balance patch changed the game significantly? How is it different for protoss?


This is all talk about the Testmap, which prepares the next major patch.
The Mothershipcore got removed, so Pylon overcharge is gone. Chrono uses energy again. We get shield battery, Stalkers play different. Disruptors got changed (not really viable yet imo). Collossi becomes more of a hard counter against light units. With these suggested changes oracles get fixed.

Nicest for protoss is, that widowmines now are visible while they reload

Patch probably hits after Blizzcon, if you wanna check SC2 out again, that be a good time.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 21 2017 23:33 GMT
#40
WM will be dead in TvT too, the nerf is a bad idea, protoss try to open without obs, i dont know why terran should be nerf.

When we talk about storm they say "ghost", well so, wm -> obs.

TvZ is hard nowadays but with this underpowered WM it will be even harder.
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