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Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
July 06 2017 18:55 GMT
#21
On July 07 2017 02:56 mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2017 00:42 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
On July 06 2017 23:34 mizenhauer wrote:
On July 06 2017 23:26 kajtarp wrote:
On July 06 2017 23:12 mizenhauer wrote:
On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming.


soO has won two of their last three meetings.


In some random unimportant game?


If your classification for important is that it be a Premier event final then you're looking at a rather small sample size and terms like usually aren't even accurate since INnoVation has won both. If you count random unimportant games (three of which you've just discounted because they don't fit your narrative while simultaneously using the others to build your argument), then yes, INnoVation wins the majority of the time. It's just strange that they could mean so much and so little to you at the same time.

Logic points toward Innovation trashing soO in yet another finals. I don't even understand why this is a discussion lol. Might me my fanboyism blinding me though.


INnoVation should win. I agree 100%. I was merely pointing out that soO has won two of their last three meetings. You can take from that whatever you want.

The Machine is fallible is what I take from it. Did he ever choke in a finals since he got reverse sweeped by Soulkey?
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-06 19:10:14
July 06 2017 19:05 GMT
#22
On July 07 2017 03:55 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2017 02:56 mizenhauer wrote:
On July 07 2017 00:42 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
On July 06 2017 23:34 mizenhauer wrote:
On July 06 2017 23:26 kajtarp wrote:
On July 06 2017 23:12 mizenhauer wrote:
On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming.


soO has won two of their last three meetings.


In some random unimportant game?


If your classification for important is that it be a Premier event final then you're looking at a rather small sample size and terms like usually aren't even accurate since INnoVation has won both. If you count random unimportant games (three of which you've just discounted because they don't fit your narrative while simultaneously using the others to build your argument), then yes, INnoVation wins the majority of the time. It's just strange that they could mean so much and so little to you at the same time.

Logic points toward Innovation trashing soO in yet another finals. I don't even understand why this is a discussion lol. Might me my fanboyism blinding me though.


INnoVation should win. I agree 100%. I was merely pointing out that soO has won two of their last three meetings. You can take from that whatever you want.

The Machine is fallible is what I take from it. Did he ever choke in a finals since he got reverse sweeped by Soulkey?


Nope. INnoVation has only ever lost two finals, the one against Soulkey and another (0-3) against TaeJa at Dreamhack Bucharest. That was in 2013 and he has won all five finals that he's played in the last four years (two of those against soO).

For all the crap he gets from losing to Soulkey, Inno is pretty clutch.
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1902 Posts
July 06 2017 19:45 GMT
#23
On July 07 2017 04:05 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2017 03:55 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
On July 07 2017 02:56 mizenhauer wrote:
On July 07 2017 00:42 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
On July 06 2017 23:34 mizenhauer wrote:
On July 06 2017 23:26 kajtarp wrote:
On July 06 2017 23:12 mizenhauer wrote:
On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming.


soO has won two of their last three meetings.


In some random unimportant game?


If your classification for important is that it be a Premier event final then you're looking at a rather small sample size and terms like usually aren't even accurate since INnoVation has won both. If you count random unimportant games (three of which you've just discounted because they don't fit your narrative while simultaneously using the others to build your argument), then yes, INnoVation wins the majority of the time. It's just strange that they could mean so much and so little to you at the same time.

Logic points toward Innovation trashing soO in yet another finals. I don't even understand why this is a discussion lol. Might me my fanboyism blinding me though.


INnoVation should win. I agree 100%. I was merely pointing out that soO has won two of their last three meetings. You can take from that whatever you want.

The Machine is fallible is what I take from it. Did he ever choke in a finals since he got reverse sweeped by Soulkey?


Nope. INnoVation has only ever lost two finals, the one against Soulkey and another (0-3) against TaeJa at Dreamhack Bucharest. That was in 2013 and he has won all five finals that he's played in the last four years (two of those against soO).

For all the crap he gets from losing to Soulkey, Inno is pretty clutch.


I touched on this in the preview. If soO is the worst player in SC2 history in finals, Inno is the best.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-06 19:50:35
July 06 2017 19:48 GMT
#24
On July 07 2017 04:45 mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2017 04:05 pvsnp wrote:
On July 07 2017 03:55 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
On July 07 2017 02:56 mizenhauer wrote:
On July 07 2017 00:42 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
On July 06 2017 23:34 mizenhauer wrote:
On July 06 2017 23:26 kajtarp wrote:
On July 06 2017 23:12 mizenhauer wrote:
On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming.


soO has won two of their last three meetings.


In some random unimportant game?


If your classification for important is that it be a Premier event final then you're looking at a rather small sample size and terms like usually aren't even accurate since INnoVation has won both. If you count random unimportant games (three of which you've just discounted because they don't fit your narrative while simultaneously using the others to build your argument), then yes, INnoVation wins the majority of the time. It's just strange that they could mean so much and so little to you at the same time.

Logic points toward Innovation trashing soO in yet another finals. I don't even understand why this is a discussion lol. Might me my fanboyism blinding me though.


INnoVation should win. I agree 100%. I was merely pointing out that soO has won two of their last three meetings. You can take from that whatever you want.

The Machine is fallible is what I take from it. Did he ever choke in a finals since he got reverse sweeped by Soulkey?


Nope. INnoVation has only ever lost two finals, the one against Soulkey and another (0-3) against TaeJa at Dreamhack Bucharest. That was in 2013 and he has won all five finals that he's played in the last four years (two of those against soO).

For all the crap he gets from losing to Soulkey, Inno is pretty clutch.


I touched on this in the preview. If soO is the worst player in SC2 history in finals, Inno is the best.

I know. That's where I got my answer from.

Also, props for putting in all the work into writing all the unused finals previews. It takes some real passion to write a ton of stuff that you know for certain will mostly be wasted. You're an inspiration for us all.
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
July 06 2017 20:19 GMT
#25
On July 07 2017 03:30 brickrd wrote:
soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse

it's so stupid that it has to happen this way

He's already won a kespa cup, thus breaking the curse
very illegal and very uncool
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1902 Posts
July 06 2017 20:39 GMT
#26
On July 07 2017 05:19 argonautdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2017 03:30 brickrd wrote:
soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse

it's so stupid that it has to happen this way

He's already won a kespa cup, thus breaking the curse


If only soO thought so highly of that victory.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 06 2017 20:41 GMT
#27
On July 07 2017 05:19 argonautdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2017 03:30 brickrd wrote:
soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse

it's so stupid that it has to happen this way

He's already won a kespa cup, thus breaking the curse

soO himself said that he considers the GSL a higher tier of tournament. And one he is (obviously) determined to win.
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LtCalley
Profile Joined March 2011
United States244 Posts
July 06 2017 21:39 GMT
#28
On July 07 2017 03:30 brickrd wrote:
soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse

it's so stupid that it has to happen this way


VSL is a major tournament, not a premier tournament. him winning it would not be breaking the curse, sorry to say =/

i thought soO broke the curse when he won kespa cup? "technically" broke the curse even tho he's still the biggest kong ever.
"No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you" - Homer Simpson
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37044 Posts
July 06 2017 22:40 GMT
#29
On July 07 2017 06:39 LtCalley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2017 03:30 brickrd wrote:
soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse

it's so stupid that it has to happen this way


VSL is a major tournament, not a premier tournament. him winning it would not be breaking the curse, sorry to say =/

i thought soO broke the curse when he won kespa cup? "technically" broke the curse even tho he's still the biggest kong ever.

If it's not a GSL, SSL, or a BlizzCon, then it doesn't count.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 06 2017 22:42 GMT
#30
On July 07 2017 07:40 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2017 06:39 LtCalley wrote:
On July 07 2017 03:30 brickrd wrote:
soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse

it's so stupid that it has to happen this way


VSL is a major tournament, not a premier tournament. him winning it would not be breaking the curse, sorry to say =/

i thought soO broke the curse when he won kespa cup? "technically" broke the curse even tho he's still the biggest kong ever.

If it's not a GSL, SSL, or a BlizzCon, then it doesn't count.

What about an OSL?
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 06 2017 22:46 GMT
#31
On July 07 2017 07:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2017 07:40 Seeker wrote:
On July 07 2017 06:39 LtCalley wrote:
On July 07 2017 03:30 brickrd wrote:
soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse

it's so stupid that it has to happen this way


VSL is a major tournament, not a premier tournament. him winning it would not be breaking the curse, sorry to say =/

i thought soO broke the curse when he won kespa cup? "technically" broke the curse even tho he's still the biggest kong ever.

If it's not a GSL, SSL, or a BlizzCon, then it doesn't count.

What about an OSL?

soO can't win in the present, so he will travel back in time and beat up kid!Maru instead.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 06 2017 22:56 GMT
#32
Or he switches back to bw and wins the next OSL there

How well did soO even do in that OSL back then, hmm let's see. Oh ironically he lost against zerg players there.
That OSL should have been Innovation's iirc, damn.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 06 2017 23:11 GMT
#33
On July 07 2017 07:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Or he switches back to bw and wins the next OSL there

How well did soO even do in that OSL back then, hmm let's see. Oh ironically he lost against zerg players there.
That OSL should have been Innovation's iirc, damn.

Yeah, that was the start of Inno's slump. Also the start of Maru's rise to fame.
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
July 07 2017 00:30 GMT
#34
I tought that being able to win second tier tournament (like Kespa Cup or VSL) was part of the Kong Curse
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ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
July 07 2017 07:22 GMT
#35
congrats to innovation on the win
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary485 Posts
July 07 2017 07:25 GMT
#36
On July 07 2017 07:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Or he switches back to bw and wins the next OSL there

How well did soO even do in that OSL back then, hmm let's see. Oh ironically he lost against zerg players there.
That OSL should have been Innovation's iirc, damn.


Can't say im interested in BW, but if soO switches to BW, ill follow him from day one.
Why so serious?
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-07 07:46:20
July 07 2017 07:45 GMT
#37
sOO AGAIN?! Soo sooN!
Someone call down the Thunder?
zealotstim
Profile Joined February 2015
United States455 Posts
July 07 2017 08:32 GMT
#38
If soo wins he doesn't break the curse, so if he loses it isn't part of the curse. How does my logic sound?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 07 2017 08:45 GMT
#39
INnoVation is favored, but VSL is a special event and not a starleague so soO will win.

Such is the fate of the kong.
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kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary485 Posts
July 07 2017 10:23 GMT
#40
Can i watch this anywhere else then twitch? It's blocked by my company firewall.
Why so serious?
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