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The four remaining players of VSL entered the semifinals staring down a very busy two days.  soO and  Super met in the first match, with Leenock and  INnoVation waiting in the wings. No matter who advanced, they wouldn’t have much time to rest and prepare with the final scheduled less than 24 hours after the day’s session completed.
soO completely dominated game one through the use of multipronged zergling pressure and drops. Super failed to get anything done with an oracle or warp prism which gave soO space to move into ling/bane/hydra unhindered and eventually deliver the killing blow.
Super went for glaives before his third in game two, but soO scouted it and shut down Super’s adepts and prism harass. Up 40 supply, soO attacked into Super's fourth, killing it and doubling his supply lead. The next wave of Zerg was enough to force Super from the game.
soO gambled on a zergling flood to close out the series, but Super held on. Having taken his third, his archon drops stunted soO’s economy by forcing a large number of roaches. Super added immortals and blink stalkers before going for a lethal attack at soO's fourth which gave him his first win of the series.
soO opted for a later third on Defender's Landing, while Super went for Glaives. Taking advantage of the map, soO went for another zergling flood. Walling both entrances in time wasn’t possible and soO walked right in, taking a 3-1 lead.
Super went for Glaives and a prism in game four, but soO scouted the robo and built a roach warren. Super’s adepts killed 12 drones, but soO was still ahead on workers, albeit on equal bases. Super attacked with an healthy immortal count, but soO's mutalisks killed the prism and, in tandem with the roaches, chased Super all the way home. His army wiped out, Super left the game, making soO the first finalist of VSL Season 2.
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Leenock opted for roaches to start the second semifinal. INnoVation looked to be in trouble as Leenock launched wave after wave at him, but a drop in Leenock's natural gave INnoVation a foothold in the game. He moved out with bio/tank soon after to go up a game.
Leenock defense of INnoVation's opening hellbat push gave him room to tech into a terrifying infestor/ultralisk/hydralisk composition with which he took a number of good fights. INnoVation killed over 20 workers late in the game, but Leenock recovered and evened the series.
With things all tied up, Leenock scouted and defended INnoVation's proxy marines. The threat stayed, both players retreated and macroed. Having assembled a bio/mine army, INnoVation moved on and killed Leenock's third, a move which spelled doom for the Zerg.
INnoVation's proxy failed to bear fruit, but for the second game in a row he flawlessly macroed into a victory. Mutalisks offered no contest as INnoVation killed Leenock’s third while taking his own. From there he never looked back, holding a supply lead until the end of the game.
Leenock weathered INnoVation's early harass on Odyssey en route to assembling a ling/bane/hydra army which he lost fighting into tanks sieged on the high ground. INnoVation’s subsequent push into Leenock's natural took the match 4-1 despite the intervention of ultralisks.
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The victory sets up another final between INnoVation and soO who have met twice with Premier event titles on the line, INnoVation coming out on top on both occasions.
Time until the VSL Season 2 Finals
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I really hope SoO wins this, and then GSL again... ;_;
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Keep preparing it anyway.
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INnoVations Summer goes up!![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/onpe889.png)
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soO should just accept beind forever 2nd and not play finals anymore
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soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming.
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Maybe soo can get over this second place issue here and then take GSL.
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On July 06 2017 22:22 Bombit wrote:INnoVations Summer goes up!
That might become my Facebook cover photo...
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United States1939 Posts
On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming.
soO has won two of their last three meetings.
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On July 06 2017 23:12 mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming. soO has won two of their last three meetings.
In some random unimportant game?
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If innovation wins this he will have won GSL, SSL and VSL, damn what a god.
That might make him the GOAT ? 
On July 06 2017 23:26 kajtarp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 23:12 mizenhauer wrote:On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming. soO has won two of their last three meetings. In some random unimportant game?
Well it was olimoleague. While it's certainly not incredibly important, the players still participate there to win some money. So it means something, but yeah i wouldn't value it nearly as highly as offline matches
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United States1939 Posts
On July 06 2017 23:26 kajtarp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 23:12 mizenhauer wrote:On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming. soO has won two of their last three meetings. In some random unimportant game?
If your classification for important is that it be a Premier event final then you're looking at a rather small sample size and terms like usually aren't even accurate since INnoVation has won both. If you count random unimportant games (three of which you've just discounted because they don't fit your narrative while simultaneously using the others to build your argument), then yes, INnoVation wins the majority of the time. It's just strange that they could mean so much and so little to you at the same time.
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On July 06 2017 23:34 mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 23:26 kajtarp wrote:On July 06 2017 23:12 mizenhauer wrote:On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming. soO has won two of their last three meetings. In some random unimportant game? If your classification for important is that it be a Premier event final then you're looking at a rather small sample size and terms like usually aren't even accurate since INnoVation has won both. If you count random unimportant games (three of which you've just discounted because they don't fit your narrative while simultaneously using the others to build your argument), then yes, INnoVation wins the majority of the time. It's just strange that they could mean so much and so little to you at the same time.
Yes i meant GSL, SSL games. That two final was in HotS, it doesn't matter anymore, it was a long time ago. But if you consider GSL S1 where they were in same group Inno won in a quite one sided game. Just like in their finals in HotS. If you consider how hard Inno beated Solar in SSL finals, or in general how well Inno plays vs Zerg i can hardly see soO having much chance. There are quite a lot of premier tournaments, and i'm certain with that many games players can't have the time and energy to prepare for every single match in every single small tournament, to prepare as hard as for a GSL / SSL game. I admit i sounded quite cocky, but i never meant any disrespect.
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On July 06 2017 23:34 mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 23:26 kajtarp wrote:On July 06 2017 23:12 mizenhauer wrote:On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming. soO has won two of their last three meetings. In some random unimportant game? If your classification for important is that it be a Premier event final then you're looking at a rather small sample size and terms like usually aren't even accurate since INnoVation has won both. If you count random unimportant games (three of which you've just discounted because they don't fit your narrative while simultaneously using the others to build your argument), then yes, INnoVation wins the majority of the time. It's just strange that they could mean so much and so little to you at the same time.
Logic points toward Innovation trashing soO in yet another finals. I don't even understand why this is a discussion lol. Might me my fanboyism blinding me though.
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On July 06 2017 23:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:If innovation wins this he will have won GSL, SSL and VSL, damn what a god. That might make him the GOAT ?
Whomever wins VSL is ipso facto declared the GOAT, so obviously the answer is yes. The real question is who succeeds Impact as the current GOAT.
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United States1939 Posts
On July 07 2017 00:42 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 23:34 mizenhauer wrote:On July 06 2017 23:26 kajtarp wrote:On July 06 2017 23:12 mizenhauer wrote:On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming. soO has won two of their last three meetings. In some random unimportant game? If your classification for important is that it be a Premier event final then you're looking at a rather small sample size and terms like usually aren't even accurate since INnoVation has won both. If you count random unimportant games (three of which you've just discounted because they don't fit your narrative while simultaneously using the others to build your argument), then yes, INnoVation wins the majority of the time. It's just strange that they could mean so much and so little to you at the same time. Logic points toward Innovation trashing soO in yet another finals. I don't even understand why this is a discussion lol. Might me my fanboyism blinding me though.
INnoVation should win. I agree 100%. I was merely pointing out that soO has won two of their last three meetings. You can take from that whatever you want.
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Poor Soo but he has no chance, and I'm a huge fan. Innovation has always pwned him in finals, and he can use gumigods mech builds as well 
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soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse
it's so stupid that it has to happen this way
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On July 07 2017 02:56 mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 00:42 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On July 06 2017 23:34 mizenhauer wrote:On July 06 2017 23:26 kajtarp wrote:On July 06 2017 23:12 mizenhauer wrote:On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming. soO has won two of their last three meetings. In some random unimportant game? If your classification for important is that it be a Premier event final then you're looking at a rather small sample size and terms like usually aren't even accurate since INnoVation has won both. If you count random unimportant games (three of which you've just discounted because they don't fit your narrative while simultaneously using the others to build your argument), then yes, INnoVation wins the majority of the time. It's just strange that they could mean so much and so little to you at the same time. Logic points toward Innovation trashing soO in yet another finals. I don't even understand why this is a discussion lol. Might me my fanboyism blinding me though. INnoVation should win. I agree 100%. I was merely pointing out that soO has won two of their last three meetings. You can take from that whatever you want.
The Machine is fallible is what I take from it. Did he ever choke in a finals since he got reverse sweeped by Soulkey?
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On July 07 2017 03:55 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 02:56 mizenhauer wrote:On July 07 2017 00:42 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On July 06 2017 23:34 mizenhauer wrote:On July 06 2017 23:26 kajtarp wrote:On July 06 2017 23:12 mizenhauer wrote:On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming. soO has won two of their last three meetings. In some random unimportant game? If your classification for important is that it be a Premier event final then you're looking at a rather small sample size and terms like usually aren't even accurate since INnoVation has won both. If you count random unimportant games (three of which you've just discounted because they don't fit your narrative while simultaneously using the others to build your argument), then yes, INnoVation wins the majority of the time. It's just strange that they could mean so much and so little to you at the same time. Logic points toward Innovation trashing soO in yet another finals. I don't even understand why this is a discussion lol. Might me my fanboyism blinding me though. INnoVation should win. I agree 100%. I was merely pointing out that soO has won two of their last three meetings. You can take from that whatever you want. The Machine is fallible is what I take from it. Did he ever choke in a finals since he got reverse sweeped by Soulkey?
Nope. INnoVation has only ever lost two finals, the one against Soulkey and another (0-3) against TaeJa at Dreamhack Bucharest. That was in 2013 and he has won all five finals that he's played in the last four years (two of those against soO).
For all the crap he gets from losing to Soulkey, Inno is pretty clutch.
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United States1939 Posts
On July 07 2017 04:05 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 03:55 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On July 07 2017 02:56 mizenhauer wrote:On July 07 2017 00:42 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On July 06 2017 23:34 mizenhauer wrote:On July 06 2017 23:26 kajtarp wrote:On July 06 2017 23:12 mizenhauer wrote:On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming. soO has won two of their last three meetings. In some random unimportant game? If your classification for important is that it be a Premier event final then you're looking at a rather small sample size and terms like usually aren't even accurate since INnoVation has won both. If you count random unimportant games (three of which you've just discounted because they don't fit your narrative while simultaneously using the others to build your argument), then yes, INnoVation wins the majority of the time. It's just strange that they could mean so much and so little to you at the same time. Logic points toward Innovation trashing soO in yet another finals. I don't even understand why this is a discussion lol. Might me my fanboyism blinding me though. INnoVation should win. I agree 100%. I was merely pointing out that soO has won two of their last three meetings. You can take from that whatever you want. The Machine is fallible is what I take from it. Did he ever choke in a finals since he got reverse sweeped by Soulkey? Nope. INnoVation has only ever lost two finals, the one against Soulkey and another (0-3) against TaeJa at Dreamhack Bucharest. That was in 2013 and he has won all five finals that he's played in the last four years (two of those against soO). For all the crap he gets from losing to Soulkey, Inno is pretty clutch.
I touched on this in the preview. If soO is the worst player in SC2 history in finals, Inno is the best.
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On July 07 2017 04:45 mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 04:05 pvsnp wrote:On July 07 2017 03:55 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On July 07 2017 02:56 mizenhauer wrote:On July 07 2017 00:42 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On July 06 2017 23:34 mizenhauer wrote:On July 06 2017 23:26 kajtarp wrote:On July 06 2017 23:12 mizenhauer wrote:On July 06 2017 22:32 kajtarp wrote:
soO can't beat Inno unless Inno doesn't take this match serious. But he usually washes the floor with soO. I see a 4-1 or 4-0 coming. soO has won two of their last three meetings. In some random unimportant game? If your classification for important is that it be a Premier event final then you're looking at a rather small sample size and terms like usually aren't even accurate since INnoVation has won both. If you count random unimportant games (three of which you've just discounted because they don't fit your narrative while simultaneously using the others to build your argument), then yes, INnoVation wins the majority of the time. It's just strange that they could mean so much and so little to you at the same time. Logic points toward Innovation trashing soO in yet another finals. I don't even understand why this is a discussion lol. Might me my fanboyism blinding me though. INnoVation should win. I agree 100%. I was merely pointing out that soO has won two of their last three meetings. You can take from that whatever you want. The Machine is fallible is what I take from it. Did he ever choke in a finals since he got reverse sweeped by Soulkey? Nope. INnoVation has only ever lost two finals, the one against Soulkey and another (0-3) against TaeJa at Dreamhack Bucharest. That was in 2013 and he has won all five finals that he's played in the last four years (two of those against soO). For all the crap he gets from losing to Soulkey, Inno is pretty clutch. I touched on this in the preview. If soO is the worst player in SC2 history in finals, Inno is the best.
I know. That's where I got my answer from. 
Also, props for putting in all the work into writing all the unused finals previews. It takes some real passion to write a ton of stuff that you know for certain will mostly be wasted. You're an inspiration for us all.
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On July 07 2017 03:30 brickrd wrote:
soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse
it's so stupid that it has to happen this way
He's already won a kespa cup, thus breaking the curse
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United States1939 Posts
On July 07 2017 05:19 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 03:30 brickrd wrote:
soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse
it's so stupid that it has to happen this way He's already won a kespa cup, thus breaking the curse
If only soO thought so highly of that victory.
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On July 07 2017 05:19 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 03:30 brickrd wrote:
soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse
it's so stupid that it has to happen this way He's already won a kespa cup, thus breaking the curse
soO himself said that he considers the GSL a higher tier of tournament. And one he is (obviously) determined to win.
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On July 07 2017 03:30 brickrd wrote:
soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse
it's so stupid that it has to happen this way
VSL is a major tournament, not a premier tournament. him winning it would not be breaking the curse, sorry to say =/
i thought soO broke the curse when he won kespa cup? "technically" broke the curse even tho he's still the biggest kong ever.
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Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
On July 07 2017 06:39 LtCalley wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 03:30 brickrd wrote:
soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse
it's so stupid that it has to happen this way VSL is a major tournament, not a premier tournament. him winning it would not be breaking the curse, sorry to say =/ i thought soO broke the curse when he won kespa cup? "technically" broke the curse even tho he's still the biggest kong ever.
If it's not a GSL, SSL, or a BlizzCon, then it doesn't count.
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On July 07 2017 07:40 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 06:39 LtCalley wrote:On July 07 2017 03:30 brickrd wrote:
soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse
it's so stupid that it has to happen this way VSL is a major tournament, not a premier tournament. him winning it would not be breaking the curse, sorry to say =/ i thought soO broke the curse when he won kespa cup? "technically" broke the curse even tho he's still the biggest kong ever. If it's not a GSL, SSL, or a BlizzCon, then it doesn't count.
What about an OSL?
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On July 07 2017 07:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 07:40 Seeker wrote:On July 07 2017 06:39 LtCalley wrote:On July 07 2017 03:30 brickrd wrote:
soo is going to win and everyone is going to debate whether winning a VSL counts as breaking the curse
it's so stupid that it has to happen this way VSL is a major tournament, not a premier tournament. him winning it would not be breaking the curse, sorry to say =/ i thought soO broke the curse when he won kespa cup? "technically" broke the curse even tho he's still the biggest kong ever. If it's not a GSL, SSL, or a BlizzCon, then it doesn't count. What about an OSL?
soO can't win in the present, so he will travel back in time and beat up kid!Maru instead.
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Or he switches back to bw and wins the next OSL there
How well did soO even do in that OSL back then, hmm let's see. Oh ironically he lost against zerg players there.
That OSL should have been Innovation's iirc, damn.
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On July 07 2017 07:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:Or he switches back to bw and wins the next OSL there How well did soO even do in that OSL back then, hmm let's see. Oh ironically he lost against zerg players there. That OSL should have been Innovation's iirc, damn.
Yeah, that was the start of Inno's slump. Also the start of Maru's rise to fame.
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I tought that being able to win second tier tournament (like Kespa Cup or VSL) was part of the Kong Curse
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congrats to innovation on the win
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On July 07 2017 07:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:Or he switches back to bw and wins the next OSL there How well did soO even do in that OSL back then, hmm let's see. Oh ironically he lost against zerg players there. That OSL should have been Innovation's iirc, damn.
Can't say im interested in BW, but if soO switches to BW, ill follow him from day one.
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If soo wins he doesn't break the curse, so if he loses it isn't part of the curse. How does my logic sound?
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INnoVation is favored, but VSL is a special event and not a starleague so soO will win.
Such is the fate of the kong.
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Can i watch this anywhere else then twitch? It's blocked by my company firewall.
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On July 07 2017 17:45 Ej_ wrote:
INnoVation is favored, but VSL is a special event and not a starleague so soO will win.
Such is the fate of the kong.
After our interivew, I told soO i picked him in liquibet for both finals and explained what that was. He just laughed at me. Looks like he did it to me again with VSL.
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